orthodoxy1095
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Actually, I didn't think of that.
The EU/NATO members probably wouldn't do anything, but Russia would hop on that opportunity as quickly as they could.
So no way for sure.
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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The EU/NATO members probably wouldn't do anything, but Russia would hop on that opportunity as quickly as they could.
So no way for sure.
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Ataturk's Turkey was a one-party state and democratization didn't occur until long after his death. He was more of a one-man autocrat than Erdogan himself is. Let's not get secularism confused with democracy here.
Nor does Turkey's constitution justify a military takeover. Article 118 allows the National Security Council to assume special powers in times of civil disorder, but while the NSC does include military commanders, since an amendment in 2001 it has also included a wide array of civilian staff, including the Prime Minister.
There's huge amounts of people in this thread who have literally no idea what they're talking about and I have to admit, if I were a mod I'd be looking at banning people for making hugely insulting snap judgements about the Turkish people and country as a whole.
Wasn't the base locked down last night because of what was happening and it likely hasn't be lifted?
ClosingADoor
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It seems the Turkish Air Force was - at least partly - involved in the coup. It is said they refueled from this base. So they locked it down and cut power.
Air space got closed also, which is not really that strange in a situation like this.
He can't open a new front, it is not reasonable. And in this front he will have to face, not rebels or partisans but an organized army, navy and airforce, although weaker, which have always expected a non reasonable move from their neighbour and have some plans to counter it.
Also, this will not help, Turkey's economy and it's world standing, attacking a fellow NATO ally and trade partner is suicide. Same it is if, supposedly, Greece would made a similar war move on Turkey.
TheSecondSpitter
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Everything is proceeding as Ag. Paisios has foreseen.
As someone born and raised in a third world country, i actually agree with this statement
maquiladora
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The reason the base has been isolated is because tankers from Incirlik were supporting pro-coup aircraft last night, therefore there is a pro-coup element at the base that the government will want isolated and arrested. The US presence at the base complicates things but it's not the reason why the base has been isolated.
I would imagine that negotiations are ongoing and there will be a peaceful settlement.
Ether_Snake
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A skirmish where governments pretend both sides are equally at fault just to avoid getting involved would work. It would be said to be an issue between Greece and Turkey, there would be a stalemate (favoring Turkey), and it would stay like that.
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Erdogan has wide and fervent support in Turkey. Not unanimous, but certainly enough to win a majority in a free and fair election - not saying that Turkey's are entirely free or fair, but even if they were, it would make little difference. A military coup would have been met with civil disobedience on a grand scale; that's the sort of thing that can very easily send a country over the brink. This isn't the Turkey of the '70s and '80s, the military is not the institution it once was. The first priority of Western leaders is maintaining stability; other concerns are secondary. It's absolutely no surprise they backed Erdogan (especially because it wasn't even clear which faction was behind the coup and remains somewhat unclear now), and their statement was aimed at discouraging any would-be plotters not to even try.
Who do people think Erdogan represents? I'll stand by what I said earlier, Turkey is going to become an increasingly Islamicized country where minorities and dissidents are beaten and jailed.
It fascinates me how some people on here and in general don't understand even the most basic diplomacy.
orthodoxy1095
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Hopefully that wasn't real, but I wouldn't be too surprised right now.
People are out for blood.
lol nah. Ag. Porphyrios told him to lay off of those anyways.
Just saw it. Friggin terrible.
"Democracy" in action! /s
petran79
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Turkish army proved it is a complete joke now. Even Greece in her current state would beat them easily at home turf
Turkey, for an Islamic state, is probably the most secular and the argument could be made Turkey is the most influential Islamic country.
All of those secular reforms that Ataturk preached were put in place mainly because of him even after his death.
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Pretty relevant given today's events wouldn't you say?
You're not implying me, I hope not.
paperboywriter
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Do why do people think turkey is going to invade Greece? What the fuck am I reading..
SilentRacoon
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Sadly this will only get worse as time goes on.
I bet they will be lauded as heroes and given a medal by Erdogan himself.
Oh fuck everything about this whole situation.
You underestimate him. He's as capable of doing exactly that. This is the guy that threatens the EU when it fits his agenda.
I think people are displaying a disturbing amount of confirmation bias. 1 tweet and you go nuts.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/15/turkey-coup-attempt-military-gunfire-ankara
Latest Guardian entry is tweets about peaceful protests taking place. Does that mean all your worries are now refuted? Calm down and wait for actual substance.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/15/turkey-coup-attempt-military-gunfire-ankara
Latest Guardian entry is tweets about peaceful protests taking place. Does that mean all your worries are now refuted? Calm down and wait for actual substance.
orthodoxy1095
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I have no idea what Greece's army is like now, but I can't imagine it's a powerhouse either
TheSecondSpitter
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The problem is that if Erdogan rattles his saber too close to the mark, the US will be sponsoring the next coup d'etat and replacing him with somebody they can deal with. It's standard operating procedure.
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You are moving the goalposts. Let me quote you, from earlier:
No, it was not. Ataturk was an autocrat who ran a one-party state. He held more power personally than Erdogan has even dreamed of. He was a secularist, yes. But he was not a democrat.
When you make comments implying that Ataturk was a democrat, I am inclined to imply you, yes.
Facism
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It's an absolutely ridiculous assumption and I think mans just want to make these terrible events about themselves rather than the horrific events unfolding in Turkey right now.
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Easier said than done. They would have to move out all their own diplomatic personnel, army, etc., first. Not happening. The US almost never succeeds at anything it does outside its borders, and this would be far more complicated than dropping bombs on a third world country.
petran79
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whats even more saddening is that those soldiers were youths 19-20 year old that had to follow orders from above or they'd be shot in the event the coup had succeeded. Either way they were screwed.
I have no idea what Greece's army is like now, but I can't imagine it's a powerhouse either
believe it or not, they have the largest tank number in Europe, the majority of which is German made
No, I meant Turkish army proved to be in even greater disarray than Greece's
Soyongdori
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Are the NATO countries obliged to assist Turkey if it were to invade another sovereign countries like Greece?
ClosingADoor
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No, of course not. NATO is a defensive alliance.
And Greece is also in NATO, so that would make even less sense. They would be invading themselves.
Time for the US to give Theresa May and Boris a call then.
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...no, of course not.
orthodoxy1095
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what
And they stood down, when forced to either shoot their own people or give up they surrendered to the will of the people. Fuck this.
orthodoxy1095
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Greece is in NATO...
DudeWithNoName
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I would imagine the NATO members would put their fists in the ass of the Turkish military if they attacked a fellow member.
orthodoxy1095
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It was already decided earlier in the thread that it's alright to demand that the soldiers be publicly beheaded, so there's not much else to do from there.
DXB-KNIGHT
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It's amazing how Erdogan and Co where able to identify thousands of people across multiple areas Judicial, Military etc that were behind the presumed "coup" in less than 24 hours.
Such an achievement, Bravo
Such an achievement, Bravo
Frozenprince
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And how a 75 year old in exile managed to get them all under his command.
Funny how they managed to figure out that his main political adversary was behind it. Boy that sure is convenient.
My word of democracy was a wrong choice of words but Ataturk was the main leader behind the reformation of the Ottoman Empire after it collapsed and wanted a secular country and did exactly that.
Hence him changing Turkish into the Roman alphabet, rising literacy rates in Turkey at a drastic rate at a drastic time, giving woman voting rights.
He was an autocrat, a general, a politician, a general. He held more power given the times after World War 1 but he was a secularist who is positively revered to this day.
paperboywriter
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Not sure if serious and sadly I mean that.
Bitch Pudding
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Spiritwalker
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i dont even
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