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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal

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Morfeo

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Beefy said:
Can't you cancel? No way would I go to Turkey.
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7threst said:
You sure you want to do that? If I was you, I would seriously consider cancelling if that's an option.
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TTOOLL said:
Are you???
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echoshifting said:
I suppose I'm piling on at this point (sorry), but please, for your own safety, reconsider this trip.
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Nere said:
Even if I won free vacations there I wouldn't go for sure.
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Not sure I got all of you, but first, sorry for answering late.

I have a ticket in about six weeks, its for Antalya which has been pretty quiet. My father owns a house closeby, and he is actually there right now. He says its quiet in that part of the country, but yeah, i will definitely monitor the situation, and cancel if things arent slowing down. Thanks alot for all the advice and thoughts!
 
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Tugatrix

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Soyongdori said:
Are the NATO countries obliged to assist Turkey if it were to invade another sovereign countries like Greece?
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What are you talking about? Both are NATO countries, if that ever happen no member would assist any of them
 
Regginator

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TheLostBigBoss said:
So considering the events unfolding, I can really only thing of two likely things

1) This was staged

2) This wasn't staged, but Erdogan knew of it and to a degree manipulated or forced the coup's hand to go without having everything in order. So instead of preventing the coup from ever happening, he simply let it unfold because it was doomed to fail.
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#1 is comic book levels of conspiracy cringe. #2 is far, far more likely, although "manipulated" is conspiracy material as well. I think he got solid information that a coup was going to happen very, very soon (how soon,I don't know) and then he acted to get the upperhand.
 
blu

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Ragnar Blackmane said:
Exactly that. Or as a well known politician of turkish descent just said in German State TV: "Erdogan's top priority is Erdogan".

I mean just take a look at his palace.
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The spoils of democracy.
 
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Morfeo

The Chuck Norris of Peace
Tyaren said:
Hope you will be fine and you very likely will be. Personally, I would never go to and support a country like what Turkey has become. I also wouldn't go to Russia, as magical as St. Petersburg might be.
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Yeah, I definitely have no interest in supporting Erdogan. But my family owns a house there, and has for years, so i go there most summer for my vacation, and we know the people there and yeah, they are nice, and would be the ones suffering the most if we decided to stop going. But of course, i will monitor the situation. No way i am putting my self in any kind of danger.
 
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toadsworth

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So if the US extradites Gulen is there any other major opposition to Erdogan? I'm a bit ignorant of Turkey's current political climate.
 
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dakun

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Crab said:
No, it was not. Ataturk was an autocrat who ran a one-party state. He held more power personally than Erdogan has even dreamed of. He was a secularist, yes. But he was not a democrat.
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He pushed for a multiparty system multiple times during his life. He failed with that during his own life but his vision for the Turkish republic was always a democratic one.

That the founder of the nation held more power than Erdogan is not very surprising considering he had to reform the whole country into one of modern secularism. So yes he had autocratic tendencies (wouldn't call him an autocrat by nature), but his circumstance was one that pretty much demanded it.
 
petran79

petran79

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Tugatrix said:
do you have in consideration what happened in 1974 over cyprus? because you should. Rules exist but applying them is another business

edit: just went on check there are no rules that regulate conflicts between members
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at that time Greece withdrew from military branch of NATO in order to protest
they returned in 1980, with USSR announcing that Greece had to give in to USA pressure
 
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paperboywriter

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Tugatrix said:
do you have in consideration what happened in 1974 over cyprus? because you should. Rules exist but applying them is another business

edit: just went on check there are no rules that regulate conflicts between members
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Turkey is not gonna risk a war with NATO. That's delusional.
 
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Condom

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toadsworth said:
So if the US extradites Gulen is there any other major opposition to Erdogan? I'm a bit ignorant of Turkey's current political climate.
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Secular nationalists (MHP mostly) and the left which consists of CHP (social democrats) and HDP (Kurdish democratic socialists).
 
Bitch Pudding

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Tugatrix said:
do you have in consideration what happened in 1974 over cyprus? because you should. Rules exist but applying them is another business

edit: just went on check there are no rules that regulate conflicts between members
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I have to admit that quite some time passed since I worked at NATO in Brussels, but if I remember correctly Articles 5 and 6 don't differentiate between attacks from partners and non-partners. So, basically it doesn't matter who attacks, partner or not.

That said, I am not sure what'd happen if the US were about to attack a minor one ;).
 
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Tugatrix

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petran79 said:
at that time Greece withdrew from military branch of NATO in order to protest
they returned in 1980, with USSR announcing that Greece had to give in to USA pressure
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Still there are no rules for war between members, my guess is that no other member would enter the conflict unless the agression is so uncalled for

paperboywriter said:
Turkey is not gonna risk a war with NATO. That's delusional.
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Who is saying they would?

Turkey is NATO too.
 
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m_dorian

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Tugatrix said:
do you have in consideration what happened in 1974 over cyprus? because you should. Rules exist but applying them is another business

edit: just went on check there are no rules that regulate conflicts between members
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This is 2016 with the historic precedent of 1974 and no cold war. Erdogan is a madman but he will never go full retard.

Ether_Snake said:
A skirmish where governments pretend both sides are equally at fault just to avoid getting involved would work. It would be said to be an issue between Greece and Turkey, there would be a stalemate (favoring Turkey), and it would stay like that.
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There's no gain in it at present time.
 
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Quirah

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Morfeo said:
Not sure I got all of you, but first, sorry for answering late.

I have a ticket in about six weeks, its for Antalya which has been pretty quiet. My father owns a house closeby, and he is actually there right now. He says its quiet in that part of the country, but yeah, i will definitely monitor the situation, and cancel if things arent slowing down. Thanks alot for all the advice and thoughts!
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The military horror already ended explosions, jets, gunfights etc. But thousands of people are in streets chanting against coup right now. Other than that, there is no official news about coup.
 
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UrbanRats

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DXB-KNIGHT said:
It's amazing how Erdogan and Co where able to identify thousands of people across multiple areas Judicial, Military etc that were behind the presumed "coup" in less than 24 hours.
Such an achievement, Bravo
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Frozenprince said:
And how a 75 year old in exile managed to get them all under his command.

Funny how they managed to figure out that his main political adversary was behind it. Boy that sure is convenient.
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It does sound fishy to me, but I don't want to come off as a conspiracy theory nut.
But then again, it's Erdogan we're talking about...
 
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NyMartin90

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-parties-turkey-support-erdogan-govt-074352507--politics.html

US would consider extradition request for exiled cleric
BRADLEY KLAPPER,Associated Press 49 minutes ago Comments Sign in to like Reblog on Tumblr Share Tweet Email

LUXEMBOURG (AP) — The Obama administration would entertain an extradition request for the U.S.-based cleric that Turkey's president is blaming for a failed coup attempt, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Saturday.
 
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Sioen

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NyMartin90 said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-parties-turkey-support-erdogan-govt-074352507--politics.html

US would consider extradition request for exiled cleric
BRADLEY KLAPPER,Associated Press 49 minutes ago Comments Sign in to like Reblog on Tumblr Share Tweet Email

LUXEMBOURG (AP) — The Obama administration would entertain an extradition request for the U.S.-based cleric that Turkey's president is blaming for a failed coup attempt, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Saturday.
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AmaterasuOni

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So, I haven't had time to follow the situation today.

Erdogan took 1500 American and 250 German soldier hostages. The base has nukes. Then he's blackmailing USA to get Gulen back to Turkey. And at the same he probably thinks Turkey can still be part of NATO and is a prime candidate to join EU?

I also read that French made a Call to Arms for all willing souls to join the reserves to join the fight against terrorism and daesh.

What else?
 
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Africanus

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NyMartin90 said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-parties-turkey-support-erdogan-govt-074352507--politics.html

US would consider extradition request for exiled cleric
BRADLEY KLAPPER,Associated Press 49 minutes ago Comments Sign in to like Reblog on Tumblr Share Tweet Email

LUXEMBOURG (AP) — The Obama administration would entertain an extradition request for the U.S.-based cleric that Turkey's president is blaming for a failed coup attempt, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Saturday.
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I hope they would entertain the blood they would have on their hands.
 
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Kathian

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NyMartin90 said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-parties-turkey-support-erdogan-govt-074352507--politics.html

US would consider extradition request for exiled cleric
BRADLEY KLAPPER,Associated Press 49 minutes ago Comments Sign in to like Reblog on Tumblr Share Tweet Email

LUXEMBOURG (AP) — The Obama administration would entertain an extradition request for the U.S.-based cleric that Turkey's president is blaming for a failed coup attempt, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Saturday.
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Well of course. But they'd need evidence.
 
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