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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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His Majesty
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Gulen must have mobilised the Kurds to attack Incirlik ./Erdogan
petran79
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Ironically the pilot that shoot down the Russian jet took also part in the failed coup!
Bam Bam Baklava
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From the official Incirlik AB Twitter:
You'd think people who live near the base would be used to sonic booms.
Don't just post stuff like that without a source.
Called it.
Turkey for some reason has the western world by the balls.
Erogan has nudes of Regan. Confirmed.
NyMartin90
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I put my source below in another post which many others were also retweeting. There are possible clashes in Adana just not in Incirlik
Not sure how Gülen could get a fair trial, what with there being no more judges. Maybe Erdogan could fill in?
Called what?
We should consider it. It's an extradition request from an ally for a serious crime. We should absolutly consider it.
Doing it will be another question entirely.
DiipuSurotu
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WHAT
That isn't simply what happened. Hes holding our military base ransom. And there is no evidence of him being responsible for the coup.
We have due process here.
Turkey needs to provide very solid proof for the extradition to be accepted. I'm not sure they have that. No, social media screenshots are not solid proof in a country with normal justice.
what? did this Gulen just managed to prepare a coup under american radar and they are royally pissed like Erdogan?
Spoiled Milk
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That's an exaggeration. Our soldiers are not in danger. Our soldiers being temporarily detained are not related to Gulen's extradition.
Based on him saying they can't leave the country until he's extradited?
Spoiled Milk
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Provide me an actual source that relates the two.
orthodoxy1095
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Not shocking.
Turkey's strategic position has the rest of NATO caught by the balls. I'd love to see the proof that Turkey gives.
Yes it is.
Ragnar Blackmane
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Quoting again to prevent further kneejerks.
orthodoxy1095
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What a tweet lol.
Ether_Snake
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BBC kind of trying to paint Turkey's stability as being so important that it doesn't matter if it's run by a dictatorship, also constantly having pro-Erdogan folks being interviewed who all report the coup was Gulen-led.
edit: "judges have been dismissed" lol. Nice choice of word by the BBC.
edit: "judges have been dismissed" lol. Nice choice of word by the BBC.
Yes...And another word for due process could be consideration. That's when Turkey would present their evidence.
Even further, if the government determines that there is evidence to initiate extradition proceedings, it still has to go through the court system where it could be tossed out.
orthodoxy1095
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I actually got a bit sick of BBC's coverage last night because of all the pro-Erdogan simps they had on.
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I can guess how the European governments will react; they'll try to soften Erdogan's actions because otherwise it helps right-wing parties. The more Erdogan appears a "bad guy", the more difficult it is for Merkel and co. to negotiate with him regarding the refugee situation.
His Majesty
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Plus most European countries have large Turkish communities where Erdogan is very popular.
m_shortpants
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There's plenty of blood on the hands of both sides unfortunately
Alright, thanks! Are you in Antalya as well?
andythinkpad
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Its basically as important as Egypt and gets as much aid from the US. And Egypt doesn't have democratic political system.
DiipuSurotu
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The US has Turkish blood on their hands?
Seriously, I don't think our people being locked down is a big deal, it's something that would have happened either way. When I was in the US Army there were times I couldn't leave a base I was sent to in my own country! I doubt anyone would be itching to allow their men and women to leave the base and go into a country in this kind of turmoil. The last thing they need is some airmen or some shit getting confused for someone else by some crazy mob or the police during a crackdown. And in Turkey's defense, ally or not we're not Turkish citizens and the last thing they need is foreign military roaming the streets, good intentions or not. Anyone allowing their people out into that environment is a fool or itching for a major incident to happen.
The timing is annoying but it is what it is. Obama absolutely should consider Turkey's request and if they meet the burden of proof they should comply even if it looks like caving because that's the right thing to do.
And why even say "under our noses" in regards to some dude organizing a coup from our country, why couldn't that happen? You think the government watches everyone in real time? It absolutely could happen.
Of course, it's likely bullshit and if Turkey can't provide any evidence the claim should be rejected but honestly, even if Turkey wasn't our ally if he had staged a coup from here and they had evidence we should extradite him.
The timing is annoying but it is what it is. Obama absolutely should consider Turkey's request and if they meet the burden of proof they should comply even if it looks like caving because that's the right thing to do.
And why even say "under our noses" in regards to some dude organizing a coup from our country, why couldn't that happen? You think the government watches everyone in real time? It absolutely could happen.
Of course, it's likely bullshit and if Turkey can't provide any evidence the claim should be rejected but honestly, even if Turkey wasn't our ally if he had staged a coup from here and they had evidence we should extradite him.
the source says "it looks legit"
Funyarinpa
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Come on, US, you're better than this
Is what I would say, but it IS possible that Gülen was behind it all indeed. So due process is a right, and I'll need to see how that turns out before I say anything more.
It's just frustrating as hell to see that even the Western media is too afraid at times to call Erdoğan out on his fascist, discriminatory, scummy behavior.
Is what I would say, but it IS possible that Gülen was behind it all indeed. So due process is a right, and I'll need to see how that turns out before I say anything more.
It's just frustrating as hell to see that even the Western media is too afraid at times to call Erdoğan out on his fascist, discriminatory, scummy behavior.
orthodoxy1095
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Locking down off-base land travel would be one thing.
Shutting down important air missions targeting ISIS is another.
It may feel that way but they did use military aircraft and if they really suspect the base....
Yes, they're probably being annoying to us because they can but the reasons are not entirely illegitimate.
Royal_Phalanx
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Not surprised that we're hypocrites. We (meaning Western countries) help Saudi Arabia which in some ways is worse than Turkey.
Relax, no one is sending the old man back to Turkey.
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I'm pretty sure the US will, unless they negotiate behind the scenes with Erdogan to drop the request.
I'd say they're worse in most ways. That being said, extradition is a process. They're just not blithely handing gulen over without evidence.
Freeza Under The Shower
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Since OP stopped its summary, why did this coup fail exactly, if that's what happened?
Funyarinpa
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Assuming not staged:
1) Very little participation from the military and other establishments
2) Disorganisation due to an imminent purge of non-Erdoğan military officers, perhaps why this was a last resort-like, panicked move by some officers
3) Widespread backlash and resistance from citizens
4) Did nothing to incapacitate Erdoğan, the PM, and such
orthodoxy1095
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Not taking out Erdogan and having too little public support are pretty much the top reasons.
Erdogan made a FaceTime call live conference on National TV urging Turkish people to go to the streets and confront the military coup forces. From that point a successful coup would only be attainable with a quick show of force and determination with the resulting civilian bloodshed, a slow even more bloodier civil war or the coup forces backing out. The fact that no one internally or externally supported the coup also was important of course, but civilians confronting the military was the turning point.
His Majesty
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Protesters are assembling in front of Gulen's villa in Pennsylvania. It's like vermin, they are fucking everywhere. Can't the US arrest them for harassment?
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