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[MUnited83]

That fucked over its colonies though, plunging them into decades of deadly civil war.

It's not like they were much better before it since ya know, the Colonization War was going on until that day of the Revolution.

 

[boiled goose]

:| Military Coups are never good... *looks at Pakistan* Hopefully early elections are called and the will of the people are guaranteed instead of forced conservatism or secularism/kemalism puppet government. :|

Just let democracy lead to change. The military has to always be under the civilian government.

WRONG. It depends on what side the military is on. Military with people and factions of government against autocratic dictator can be good. Elections are held after these types of coups. See Honduras, Turkey, etc.

You don't have democracy when a dictator is dissolving other government institutions and the powers of the press to consolidate power.

 

[Kickz]

What in the heck is going on, on this planet..

 

[Kastrioti]

"Worth noting, the Turkish military has a constitutional clause where they are supposed to overthrow the government if the government poses a threat to secularity"

Based Ataturk.

Holy shit what news to get today. Erdogan is not fit to lead Turkey but I wonder how this will fare with the huge population of secular Turks who do not like Erdogan but are (potentially) about to be under martial law.

 

[Pandy]

Don't think they had a Guinness World Records adviser with them during the coup sadly.

I now have a mental image of a bunch of Turkish generals in a room together discussing the progress of the coup, while Norris McWhirter stands in the corner with a stop-watch.

Really hope that's it over.

 

[Kusagari]

Turkish military coups usually have good outcomes but I have a bad feeling.

Erdogan was propped up by religious extremists and ISIS will probably take this opportunity to get involved.

 

[Baron Doggystyle von Woof]

People who are endorsing this smh. He was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

 

[Oriel]

Someone posted this on thejournal.ie, which I think sums up the situation with them and the EU;

If this coup is successful then all EU negotiations with Turkey over membership will be broken off entirely.

 

[mercenar1e]

People who are endorsing this smh. He was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

nah he rigged it.

 

[ClosingADoor]

NATO should gear up to help take out Erdogan if needed. I can't believe I'm saying this about a democratically elected leader, but clearly in this case it's for the greater good, if the coup is secular.

Nope, nope, nope. You don't want NATO getting involved in anything like this in member states. That is a very dangerous game to play between military allies.

 

[Acorn]

It's not that hard if you control the military. You've already got troops all over the country, you just need to deploy them. Keeping the plan secret and coordinating it is the difficult part.

The mechanics of doing this and ensuring you don't have rebels is fascinating if not a little scary.

 

[Atenhaus]

People who are endorsing this smh. He was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

Not as simple as this.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Turkey has nukes too. Hopefully this is western friendly.

 

[CheDominik]

My turkish friends are all ecstatic and hope for a return to Kemalist valiues.

 

[Link]

Depends which faction of the army.

Which factions are there? Which one is good in this case?

 

[Kraftwerk]

People who are endorsing this smh. He was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

Eh fuck him. He is a piece of shit to be honest

 

[JohnTinker]

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has been taken to a secret location by forces loyal to him and extensive security measures are being taken to protect him, the Cumhuriyet newspaper reports.

http://bnonews.com/news/index.php/news/id4865

 

[thespot84]

BBC said tanks are blockading an airport (didn't catch which, either Istanbul or Ankara)

I think i saw a feed of tanks parked at attaturk, i'll look for it.

 

[ferrasvansen]

People who are endorsing this smh. He was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

By barring and removing his opponents, yeah right.

 

[Lord Virgin]

nah he rigged it.

Proof?

Legit question.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

If the military is for the people's right and having less religious influence on politics, that is only a good thing. Let's just hope this is a well planned coup so we can have not too much bloodshed.

Stay safe TurkeyGAF.

 

[Armaros]

NATO should gear up to help take out Erdogan if needed. I can't believe I'm saying this about a democratically elected leader, but clearly in this case it's for the greater good, if the coup is secular.

NATO has stayed out of internal poltical affairs even with Coups. This isn't the first time Turkey has experienced this even as a NATO member.

 

[victreeb3l]

I hope this doesnt cause a civil war or a bigger mess.

 

[Baron Doggystyle von Woof]

nah he rigged it.

Proof plz.

 

[Oriel]

People who are endorsing this smh. He was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

Lol.

 

[ElTorro]

People who are endorsing this smh. He was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

At the same time, a lot of his actions where not-so-borderline anti-constitutional. For instance, he basically manufactured a war against the Kurds to win the next election.

 

[oti]

Greek relatives are calling me, they're afraid.

 

[KDR_11k]

People who are endorsing this smh. He was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

Yes but he was working hard to make sure nobody else will ever be.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

People who are endorsing this smh. He was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

Doesn't change the fact that he was an asshole. I'm holding out whether this is a good thing or not. Nothing is known right now, saying one thing or another right now is premature.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

NATO should gear up to help take out Erdogan if needed. I can't believe I'm saying this about a democratically elected leader, but clearly in this case it's for the greater good, if the coup is secular.

Cause that's what I want when I join a military alliance, the possiblity that you will be stabbed in the back by everyone in it

 

[Xater]

They're taking all the strategic points, that's really organised... o.o

As one would expect from a modern military?

 

[TheAutomator]

People who are endorsing this smh. He was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

Brexit was chosen by democracy too. It's a flawed system.

 

[TheRealTalker]

nah he rigged it.

a EU and UN third party survey body said there was NO rigging

 

[orthodoxy1095]

If you don't vote then you don't have a right to complain.

This is going to be a civil war.

No.

 

[Tugatrix]

Turkey has nukes too. Hopefully this is western friendly.

not their nukes

 

[nynt9]

People who are endorsing this smh. He was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

lol not exactly.

Proof?

Legit question.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Elector...uring_the_Turkish_general_election,_June_2015

 

[LiK]

People who are endorsing this smh. He was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

but he acts like a dictator tho

 

[boiled goose]

People who are endorsing this smh. He was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

You are too naive to understand how "democracy" actually works in other countries. "elected" dictators dissolve branches of government, buy elections, persecute the press, imprison critics, bribe judges and the military, etc.

The best you can hope for is individuals in the military not succumbing to bribes and power and siding with the people.

 

[Jeels]

Lol Zapages. I'm a strong believer in democracy but there is quite a bit of evidence than in some coutnries, particularly Pakistan and Turkey, military coups have been a good thing, especially depending on who is in power at the time and how quickly they set up an interim government and new elections.

Yes, you sometimes end up with Islamist Facists like Zia-Ul-Haq in power, that's when its not a good thing - but if it's to remove an Islamist party? Go for it...

 

[phazedplasma]

What in the heck is going on, on this planet..

In modern history this is relatively normal.

 

[ferrasvansen]

a EU and UN third party survey body said there was NO rigging

No vote rigging, just rigging of those allowed to stand.

 

[MUnited83]

People who are endorsing this smh. He was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

Well, no he wasn't.And believe me, democracy isn't what he believed in or practised. He was a plain ol dictator. Good riddance to that fuckwit.

Besides, militar coups are allowed on the constitucional in cases like this.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Turkey has nukes too. Hopefully this is western friendly.

American nukes guarded by American soldiers. They'd detonate them in storage rather than let them be captured.

 

[Baron Doggystyle von Woof]

By barring and removing his opponents, yeah right.

Proof plz.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

In Turkey, if their military coups are always generally good and repels religious fanatics from gaining or maintaining power, why the hell are these secular leaders not just voted in?

Is there no confidence in the election system or mass corruption? Seems weird for a relatively well-adjusted country.

 

[Meadows]

Flightradar showing loads of flights turning away

 

[Brazil]

People who are endorsing this smh. He was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

I'm not endorsing anything before we know the true perpetrators, but the world isn't as black and white as you seem to think.

 

[kharma45]

Turkey has nukes too. Hopefully this is western friendly.

They don't. The US do and have them stored there.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

If you don't vote then you don't have a right to complain.

This is going to be a civil war.

lol, no it ain't.

 

[Plasmid]

Wow. Erdogan has gone into hiding with those faithful to him, but where do we go from here? Who will be the first to accept the new turkish government?

THIS IS CRAZY.