PdotMichael
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Being "DEMOCRATICALLY elected" means a shit if you are trying to etablish an autocracy while destroying the secular political system in your country.
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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Being "DEMOCRATICALLY elected" means a shit if you are trying to etablish an autocracy while destroying the secular political system in your country.
LUFTRAUSER
Banned
Wrong.
CraigerGamer
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Can someone explain the history of why Turkey has such a mutiny clause in its Constitution?
If that coup was so good why they need this one
huh
Because the last one was in 1997, a long time ago and has nothing to do with current proceedings?
Quite. Erdogan brought this on himself.
boiled goose
good with gravy
WRONG. I will post again.
You are too naive to understand how "democracy" actually works in other countries. "elected" dictators dissolve branches of government, buy elections, persecute the press, imprison critics, bribe judges and the military, etc.
The best you can hope for is individuals in the military not succumbing to bribes and power and siding with the people.
Time was running out for that. Erdogan was setting himself up to hold power indefinitely.
Such a lazy argument that you and someone else has made. Hitler was only able to really take control when parliament passed the enabling act.
univariate
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It's Erdogan and his flock that worry me. The civilians would just be in the middle of a conflict.
I don't think it'll be as peaceful as the coup that removed Morsi in Egypt.
The military leader supposedly being held hostage -- which faction is he?
DerangedHermit
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Paul Mason tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/754055017921974272
and retweeted this:
https://twitter.com/cerenkenar/status/754053019633876994
JohnTinker
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Stay safe!
This is flat out untrue. Every Turkish military coup has ended as a net positive, removing Islamists/cronyists and establishing democracy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Military_coups_in_Turkey
Whether Erdogan is democratically elected is super dubious to begin with. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Elector...uring_the_Turkish_general_election,_June_2015
To be fair, Erdogan's government always blames Fethullah Gulen for everything immediately.
Nah, there's more nuance than that. Chavez/Maduro being thrown out would have been a positive development.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Technically, she made the deal with PM Davutoglu at the time.
Resident_UA
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They are saying it's part of their constitution or something like that...
Already happening, there's a run on the banks. The less time this takes the less the economy will suffer.
so who is america backing?
SilentRacoon
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Neither were the elections that got Erdogan elected as president.
And_Gignac
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Hitler was democratically elected too, heh
LUFTRAUSER
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That's... bad? Assuming it's not just the government trying to save face. Though calling him Erdoğan++ seems like a mischaracterization.
This is a double edged sword for the neighboring countries, one one hand a secular military government would reconsider the policies towards Syria and might turn against groups Erdogan supported, like JAN or Ahrar al Sham.
On the other hand the Turkish military might take a more heavy handed approach to Kurdish expansionism in northern Syria.
On the other hand the Turkish military might take a more heavy handed approach to Kurdish expansionism in northern Syria.
Gentleman Jack
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I don't remember many coups in my lifetime but it's standard operating procedure for both sides to claim victory before any actual stability has been achieved.
https://twitter.com/Sosyal_Devrim/status/754054754678902784
soldiers in tv station
soldiers in tv station
A constitution is there in the first place to protect the people from a dictatorship of the majority. 90% of Turkey are (in name) Sunni Muslims, so if they want to, say, create a system hugely preferencing Sunni Muslims, this would easily get voted in, and fuck over minorities. This is (among others) the reason secularism is so strongly valued in Turkey, to the point that it is considered essential for the existence of the state.
MikeHattsu
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Uh-oh
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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You guys don't understand this will kick back turkey 50 years.
All the advancement were for nothing. The common people are fucked here. But what do you all care tho? Your not living there.
All the advancement were for nothing. The common people are fucked here. But what do you all care tho? Your not living there.
Whats your point? Beeing electrd democratical means shit. Hitler was elected with the law on his side, to the argument was shit.
Flightradar showing loads of flights turning away
Nope.
Why would the Progressive/Kemalist wings stay in when the alternative is Dictator Erdogan?
TheLostBigBoss
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nobody, they are going to protect their assets from anyone
boiled goose
good with gravy
I hope this is not the case...
JohnTinker
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Soldiers inside public broadcaster TRT's newsroom
Statement on TRT possible soon
And for the thoughts of Boris Johnson https://twitter.com/gerryhassan/status/754053370034413568
NYCmetsfan
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It's not
According to the Turkish constitution,"duty of the armed forces is to protect and safeguard Turkish territory and the Turkish Republic as stipulated by the constitution."
His behavior is evidence that he has been doing the opposite. In fact, he has imprisoned high-ranking military personnel to avoid such a coup.
EDIT: I am not endorsing this type of action either, just stating the facts.
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