orthodoxy1095
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I'm sure there's some super meaningful evidence of them being Gulenists, assuming that was even a worthwhile reason to arrest someone.
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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Sad Affleck
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Gulen is like Druckmann apparently, he's behind everything.
It does look to be headed in that direction.
I'm well aware. As I said, I'm not defending him. He's definitely delusional on the issue. Your response being a joke essentially saying "I hope you get arrested by your new dictator" toward another user is more than a little much, though, don't you think?
GuessMyUserName
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That poster didn't respond to my post that showed they had made baseless extradition requests in the past, why would they respond now?
Perhaps, though if he could show some empathy towards those who have been arrested and those who are going to be from here onward due to how things have become. He would be more sympathetic. ah at least we don't need to prove that the sun exists.
orthodoxy1095
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Druckmann you say
Regginator has been a standup Erdogan stan in this thread. I wouldn't expect evidence of Erdogan's administration acting like shit to mean much.
Here, lemme write Reggie's response for him:
mercenar1e
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at this point they're going to fabricate evidence. they might torture a general and force him to admit on camera that gulen was behind it.
oh you can be sure that whatever farce of a trial these people will get there will be "confessions" of association with Gülen. No doubt about it.
Ragnar Blackmane
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Gives "they are literally treated as animals" a whole new meaning.
Evidence that those judges were Gulenists: "does one need evidence to prove the existence of the Sun?"
RamzaIsCool
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Enes Kanter, NBA player for the Oklahoma Thunder is getting dozens of death threats over twitter. He is a prominent Gülen supporter, also reason he is banned from the Turkish National Team the last couple of years. So we have to do with the offensive jugernaut that is called Ömer Asik! /s
Btw are the pro Erdoğan posters in this thread actually Turkish? Seriously doubt that is the case...
Btw are the pro Erdoğan posters in this thread actually Turkish? Seriously doubt that is the case...
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This just gets stranger and stranger
They should have blown him to hell while they still had the chance...
Erdogan's hate-boner for Gulen is quite intense.
Frustrated_me
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Should have never allowed him to take off in the first place or make it on TV.
..Now look at what's happened.
orthodoxy1095
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Nah, would have made him into a martyr. Terrible idea.
Surprised they didn't try to take him hostage though.
My best guess on why they didn't fire is even if did, and they took out Erdogan, they would be done in for multiple homicide of the civilians (Pilot's, Political aides, ect.) on board the plane, AND destabilise the political situation on the ground. The negatives far outweigh the positives in this situation.
Ragnar Blackmane
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Literally all they had to do was to fire a single missile. I doubt the plane had counter measures and there would not have been much the escorts could have done about it.
Ragnar Blackmane
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Guess what would have happened with the NSDAP if Hitler had been assassinated in 1933. Likewise, the AKP would fold like a house of card without him. He IS the party.
Can't take him hostage when Erdogan's fighter plane escort is as strong as you.
EDIT: Sorry for the double post.
NyMartin90
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Also Hakan Sükür, Turkey's famous football (soccer) player and also a Gülen supporter has fled to US some months ago because he was in threatened with being arrested for "insulting" Erdogan. He's also being threatened and called a traitor on social media.
These people will probably never be mentioned in a positiv light again in Turkey. Espacially Sükür was considered a hero of Turkish football.
orthodoxy1095
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Could have made Hitler into a martyr then too if done poorly. I'm not sure what the comparisons in terms of cult of personality are.
If they were going to kill him, that needed to be like the first thing they did. Not something along during the process when the coup was already faltering.
Assassinating a widely loved president in the midst of such turbulent times, what with all the bombings recently in the country, sounds like a sure-fire way to tear the country apart.
Seriously, launching a coup with ISIS and a civil war happening next door, both of which are threatening to spill into Turkey, seems so ill-advised.
petran79
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those soldiers chose wisely to remain in the tanks to escape from the angry mob. the helicopter pilots as well. But It was the tanks, planes and helicopters that massacred civilians. The soldiers who were not so lucky to be inside those paid the price
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Depends if Erdogan is really paranoid he would leave behind a power vacuum with everyone that'd have been able to replace him having been removed over time and his party could crumble over the multiple candidates vying for their chance.
I truly wish someone would have ended him one way or another. Loss of civilian life is unfortunate but as an outsider downplaying that doesn't weigh much on my conscience tbph.
Yeah I could imagine they thought better than to actually kill him and risk a civil war, where they hoped locking on would intimidate him enough to send him packing. And the people feel like their leader betrayed them.
If it actually happened that is, and isn't like how he almost got bombed in Marmaris, which seems to be a lie to increase his heroicness.
Personally I find the second option more likely.
If it actually happened that is, and isn't like how he almost got bombed in Marmaris, which seems to be a lie to increase his heroicness.
Personally I find the second option more likely.
I hope he's safe there, though all those seen as traitors should fear for their lives.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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one scenario has something to gain the other would just be satiating blood lust.
Can't stop it with the Hitler comparisons but few people would have cried for service staff dying to Stauffenberg's bomb if it succeeded.
Pellegri Testament
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Depends on what you mean by "civilians". Do you think he was flying with regular people? No way was that anything but his own personal plane with a handful of people he handpicked as staff. Leaders don't fly with the masses.
It would have been bad had they shot it down either way, but don't equate staff as the same thing as civvies.
Regginator
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I interpret this more as psychological kinda game in the sense like "we're old allies, we're incredibly insulted you think we'd ask you such a big thing without a shred of evidence from our side, that's like proofing the sun exists". After all, you can hardly expect them to show the evidence or other state secrets right there in the open in that NYT article, can you? I still don't think they'll go to the US asking for this with their dicks in their hand. Out of the question, the US would rightfully decline. Which is why I think they have something.
ClosingADoor
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Considering he also had two F-16s himself as an escort and that blowing up the plane of a countries leader is a bit of a big deal, I don't think they could have done anything different. Not that strange they weren't willing to take him down like that.
A coup in which you actually kill the countries president is not a good start to get the support of the population. Not that they got that anyway, but that was unclear at the moment.
A coup in which you actually kill the countries president is not a good start to get the support of the population. Not that they got that anyway, but that was unclear at the moment.
jm89
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This argument is silly somebody could easily argue the pilot/soldier was a threat/future threat to their government hence he had to die or whatever other argument. Like i said if it suits your narrative it's OK.
So he was possibly flying with his family, perhaps grandchildren etc, why should they be killed for the sins of the father?
Whatever that went on, I think the whole thing would have been tragic with his relatives also being on the plane.
I know we or some of us are against what's going on in the country but hoping for planes to be blown up with possibly innocent lives is pretty sick.
jm89
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Staff can be civilians.
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It would be great if you guys reported obviously offensive posts to one of us instead of spending pages speculating about why we don't ban for them.
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TheSecondSpitter
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The evidence is probably some bogus confession from a captured officer. Something the US Defense Department won't be able to corroborate. I gotta bad feeling about this.
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Not really, but anyway I myself have decided to take some holiday. Threads like these often make you say stuff you often regret, it's like this whole coupe has even turn us against each other which is worrying. See you guys in a few weeks.
that or exhaustion
NyMartin90
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Saudi Arabia has arrested a Turkish Military Attache in Kuwait after a request from Erdogan
https://twitter.com/MEChannelLive/status/754791048996610048
https://twitter.com/MEChannelLive/status/754791048996610048
Familienoberhauptvogel
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If a country wants to declare their prisons incapable be my guest. Seems a fair excuse to reintroduce the death penalty.
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NyMartin90
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There are also apparently atleast 5 military helicopters flying in Istanbul
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/754792320923557889
John Kerry was pretty explicit in his statement. Legitimate evidence that withstands scrutiny. Less than that would be a waste of time. And being Gulen on US their own Secret Services must have him monitored at all times. They would know if Gulen was involved or not in the organization of this coup.
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