EU and US will always be for the government of Turkey whatever it will be. As long as it doesn't turn full on antagonistic towards their interests. They will put some statements and sanctions in place if human rights are in jeopardy but the geopolitical importance of the country will always be in the background of any decision.
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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Probably. But was there any NATO member a dictatorship while in NATO?
Anyhow, while NATO membership probably won't change that easy, those nukes must go far away from Turkey under current circumstances.
Yes, Turkey and Greece
Portugal. And we are founders.
Well that would be exactly following the Hitler playbook, surely he won't be that on the nose?
Oh yeah! I forgot about Portugal!
How dare you! We are Euro champions. Respect the champions!
toadsworth
Banned
Any word on the extradition of Gulen? Last I saw Turkey's Justice Minister said they don't need evidence because the sun exists or something.
I am trying to forget about that as well!
I thought about Portugal and Greece, but I didn't know if they were already in NATO at that time. And was a bit lazy to search for it. So thanks.
Well. then it's all fine for the NATO membership.
Still not safe enough for those nukes though.
Damn shame but this was obvious reaction. Unfortunately with Brexit while racists were emboldened by the vote you could be confident they'd soon be brought back into line by police, etc. but I'm not confident this will be the case in Turkey. Sadly I feel the current government really does condone such actions.
Oh boy oh boy
Wouldn't be surprised if Erdogan's countercoup has the rest of the army scratching its head whether they don't actually have to perform a coup. This is probably why the government has asked their goons to stay on the street for the whole week, to deter any other military generals from intervening.
Theonik
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Portugal was a founding member and Greece/Turkey were part of the first NATO expansion in 1952.
It was a bit of an issue though. The US actually apologised about backing the Greek chounta for instance. That was the cold war mind. Who knows how the scales weigh now.
Erdogan.
Chosen by the people of Turkey;
- Wants to reinstate the "death-penalty" after making sure 6000+ have been arrested.
- Locked up Dutch reported (Ebru Umar) after she gave her opinion, refused to let her leave.
- Threatens all who make "fun" of him, even if its just simple mockery.
- Erdogan makes sure that everyone who "opposses" him "pays" for the crime (I fear for every soldier that has been arrested)
Speaking of soldiers .. they are being held in barns. Like pigs. The pictures that are released are just ... bah.
And .. that should be democracy? This Erdogan is a goddamn dictator and I fear that in Turkey, things are about to get alot worse. As usual, the European Nations are looking away ...
... again, how is this democracy? It's not. This is starting to get closer-and-closer to a dictatorship. Stay safe TurkeyGAF. I wish you all the best in these stressful times.
Chosen by the people of Turkey;
- Wants to reinstate the "death-penalty" after making sure 6000+ have been arrested.
- Locked up Dutch reported (Ebru Umar) after she gave her opinion, refused to let her leave.
- Threatens all who make "fun" of him, even if its just simple mockery.
- Erdogan makes sure that everyone who "opposses" him "pays" for the crime (I fear for every soldier that has been arrested)
Speaking of soldiers .. they are being held in barns. Like pigs. The pictures that are released are just ... bah.
And .. that should be democracy? This Erdogan is a goddamn dictator and I fear that in Turkey, things are about to get alot worse. As usual, the European Nations are looking away ...
... again, how is this democracy? It's not. This is starting to get closer-and-closer to a dictatorship. Stay safe TurkeyGAF. I wish you all the best in these stressful times.
according to some in here, being chosen by the people means you get to do whatever you want.
It does look like he intentionally tries to stir some shit with these mass dismissals, but it's more probable that it's just paranoia combined with the opportunity to get rid of anybody who's not a yesman.
sechsterangriff
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When you start arresting everyone, chances are among those there's a friend, family or brother in arms to those that didn't support the coup. If there's some support from the moderate Turkish population there's seriously a risk of of another coup or at worse civil war.
Frustrated_me
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Ask fights USA-TURKEY have been banned. Canada might follow suit.
If there is one permban bet I would have been willing to take than that these lists were prepared.
Or the Turkish administration is the most efficient administration ever. Gathering thousands of names from all over the country over weekend.
lol
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Cant have those pesky Gulenists in the way of the glorious new palace, right?
NyMartin90
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Kerry is also claiming
"We will certainly support bringing perpetrators of the coup to justice - but we also caution against a reach that goes well beyond that."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36824045
Also I remember watching this 60 minutes thing on Gulen awhile back, its interesting for those who don't know much about him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJvWP7wBkFs
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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What if the US organized the coup?
Chile through a US backed coup
Whats the benefit? And isn't USA usually better at coups?
Chile is a NATO member now? Where North Atlantic meets South Pacific.
Captain Smoker
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Deputy mayor in Istanbul shot in head, in critical state - Turkish broadcaster NTV
An unknown assailant shot the deputy mayor of Istanbul's Sisli district in the head on Monday and he was in a critical condition, Turkish broadcaster NTV reported.
It was not immediately clear whether the incident was linked to Friday's abortive military coup in which more than 200 people were killed. Turkey remains in a state of high tension, though the government says it has the situation fully under control.
NTV reported that the assailant had entered the office of deputy mayor Cemil Candas and then gun shots were heard. Turkey's main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) runs the prosperous Sisli district. Along with other opposition parties the CHP has condemned the attempted coup.
http://in.reuters.com/article/turkey-security-shooting-idINKCN0ZY1LN
sechsterangriff
Member
This is exactly what's happening. If you have people who support you (and in the meantime, benefit from every dumb thing Erdogan does) then the road towards LEDUR SUPRIEM is clear. I really do not understand why the European Union is looking away from this situation.
Things are starting to hit the fan real quick.
I see Erdogan hired Putin's adviser for the relations with the opposition.
EU has no authority over Turkey.
EU has no authority over Turkey.
NyMartin90
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We need Turkey for the refugee crisis and to help in the bombing campaign against ISIS.
No, they don't. True.
I take it that the EU is to cowardly to actually act. As it has been for years. Shit hits the fan all over the world and we (Netherlands) keep bitching about things like zwarte Piet, Sinterklaas ... But noooooo, Turkey is in the middle of a crisis and could use some help in guiding them towards a stable (brighter) future ... and here is the EU ... discussing about nothing.
I'm also worried for how my country is turning out to be. There have been several incidents regarding a certain type of community lately. Hell, they even have decicated Instragram pages for it. But the people who run this country fail to actually call them by name. Instead, they rub it in the Dutch's faces and claim WE are the ones to blame *sigh*.
My kids are growing up in a world which has gone to shit.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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What do you propose the EU does?
How exactly should the EU "guide" Turkey, an outside, sovereign country, into a "brighter future"?
Does it, at this point, matter what I propose? Even if I do come up with a brilliant idea ... it'll never happen. Because no matter what someone else says, does or proposses ... we have no "say" over the matter because Turkey is not an EU country nor will it ever become one. The EU, so far, stated that Erdogan was elected by the people themself and that's that. A simple answer.
... what I propose? Well;
Make sure that the people in Turkey are safe. That they are treated equally. That they have the freedom of speech (instead of getting imprisoned whenever they take a pot-shot at Erdogan) and a bright future ahead of them instead of the darkness that is slowly starting over to take over the country. Making sure the country is run by someone who, infact, DOES listen to his people instead of coming across as a goddamn dictator.
I fear for every single Turk living over there. The idiot nearly caused a goddamn war ... divides his people. Yeah, keep it up Erdogan.
ClosingADoor
Member
What exactly do you expect the EU to do? How are you going to "guide" another country you have no jurisdiction over?
How would the EU ensure people in Turkey are safe? You are making little sense here. How would the EU make sure a country is run by someone else? These are all very difficult things to achieve as an outsider - and that is not even getting into the negative consequences of Western countries again starting to get involved in the region and replacing leaders.
Turkey emphatically does not want our help, the government is too busy installing a corrupt dictatorship out of their own volition. Also stop with the persecution complex.
Randomizer123454444
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Like it or not, Erdogan is what people of Turkey wanted. At this point only a military intervention can change the course and I don't think we as EU have any right to do that. TBH I don't think even a military intervention would help anything except get people killed.
Plenty of leaders criticise Turkey over what they are doing. Best we can do is shut them out of our own society (EU), and be ready to guide them towards something better if they ever want that.
There's nothing anybody outside Turkey can do about this. Not legally. Look at Russia. Same shit. Short of a military intervention or some secret service movie plot, there is nothing that even US can do if Erdogan becomes a dictator. And he has popular support for this, It was since long time written on the wall that this is the end game and people kept electing him.
Reckheim
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I know there isn't anything that the western world can do (hopefully they learned from getting involved in Syria and Iraq); I do however feel bad for a country that was only very recently secular; turning into just another middle eastern (yes, I know turkey is in Europe) country run by a dictator.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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Well USA supported so many coups in the past, that it's a usual suspects. I was just adding to your conspiracies.
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