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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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blu
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The people in power outside of Turkey (at least in the EU) have been well aware all along, I think. What is new now is that those same people cannot play coy anymore to questions like 'Why the heck are we sponsoring a fuckin dictatorship?'
Can't wait for results from that in a few years.
800k pieces of data, nsfl.
Oh Lordy Lord. They comin for da nukes!
he will
Statemedia? Its the Public Broadcast!
They're not going to do that. NATO strategy is long-term and goes past the rise and fall of individual regimes. All they care about is the geography and its proximity to Russia.
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Remember, if you're an elected official it's totally okay to do whatever you want to anyone that opposes you! That's what this thread taught me early on! Winning an election is a blank check to do whatever you want!
TheSecondSpitter
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Gulen may be fortunate there's an election in November and Big Orange is lurking in the background ready to pounce (when he eventually wraps his head around what's happening in Turkey). However, the decision to extradite Gulen will be made according to the Obama administration's (and Hillary's) political interests not what internal intelligence they possess on Gulen.
The Hamburglar
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There were pictures going around of police/army people hand cuffed by their hands and feet half naked on the floor. Disgusting.
sechsterangriff
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Ragnar Blackmane
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Holy fuck, watching a lengthy interview of a AKP representative in German state TV (ZDF) I feel like I finally understand how people must have felt about what happened in Germany in 1933.
It's all about "Turks finally being able to hold their heads up high", "Germans shouldn't trust their media and come to Turkey to see the truth" and when asked whether or not the arrest of 3000 judges might be a sign of the death of democracy, he instead talks about "all the Erdogan bashing leads to nothing etc. etc.".
It's all about "Turks finally being able to hold their heads up high", "Germans shouldn't trust their media and come to Turkey to see the truth" and when asked whether or not the arrest of 3000 judges might be a sign of the death of democracy, he instead talks about "all the Erdogan bashing leads to nothing etc. etc.".
blu
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You've seen nothing yet. The fun times are just ahead.
Well, I guess I should never ever visit Turkey again then.
Yeah if they adopt it, like they don't vote whatever Erdogan commands them to vote.
NyMartin90
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Here's that segment in his new interview with CNN
https://twitter.com/cnni/status/755093758748819456
The full interview will go on the air later today
The commander of the turkish contingent at Incirlik was a huge coup supporter. He authorised tankers to refuel rebel jets. When the net closed in, he tried to claim asylum with the amercans, The amercans said no.
The thing is looking at turkish media, there is alot of anti american sentiment not seen in ages. They point to how kerry backed sissi who murdered 2000 egyptians in 2 days versus making threats to turkey over nato. John kerry is a hated man now in turkey
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Do that and there is zero chance you will be allowed to join the European union.
Fancy that, Turks already comparing themselves with an Arab dictatorship. Well I guess they know where they're heading.
Coriolanus
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it is kinda fascinating that he is legit willing to pass legislation ex post facto in peius to deal with his opponents. Especially since, if wikipedia is correct...
NyMartin90
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Here is part of his new interview claiming that the paperwork process has begun for extradition.
https://twitter.com/cnni/status/755098483179261952
https://twitter.com/cnni/status/755098483179261952
I don't think they care anymore.
He already passed that threshold years ago.
Theonik
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That implies they even want to join at this point. Last month or so signals they've changed their mind. Notice how Erdogan's made 'peace' with Russia and Israel after the friction with Germany and now this. He's digging in.
Oh I know.
I don't think that's even a worry of the Turkish Government at the moment. They don't care. They can flood Greece with refugees or use that possibility as leverage to EU to keep sending money. VISA liberalisation for Turkish citizens though is certainly a mirage at this point.
RustyNails
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After Brexit, I dont think membership to EU carries as much leverage as it did 10 years ago.
Real question is does US honor Gulen's extradition request? Erdogan is saying Turkey has terrorists (presumably ISIS) that US wants extradited and he would reconsider doing that if his request is denied.
And if Gulen IS extradited, what happens to him? Noose? Weren't Erdogan and Gulen BFF's at one time?
Familienoberhauptvogel
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People are underselling the EU membership application a bit. Just being a candidate comes with a bunch of money.
Peter Ian Staker
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Why does everyone act like the EU talks still hold any value for either party?
The negotiation stalled like a decade ago since most of the big core EU countries don't want Turkey in the first place (it was mostly the US and the UK that liked the idea) and at the same time Turkey isn't willing to fullfill even the most basic of EU demands.
It was never going to happen and it will never happen.
Coriolanus
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At which point the US would be correct in arguing that Erdogan is sheltering ISIS members, and would probably be willing to provide evidence that the dudes they want are legit.
Not really a well thought-out argument from his side.
NyMartin90
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While I do see that this is an issue countries like Turkey, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia have had to comply with US extradition requests on terror suspects regardless of evidence for the past 15 years in the War on Terror.
There are two perspectives here and this reasoning DOES NOT justify Erdogan but he will try to get away with it.
I hope the US looks at this "evidence" and analyze it wisely.
Gulen would most certainly be given the death penalty regardless of evidence if he is extradited. They split their friendship over charges of corruption in the AKP and Gulenists.
blu
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That could be shortest way out of the EUCU for Turkey.
orthodoxy1095
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Bu-bu-but guys.
It's a democratic state.
Those brave citizens went out and stood against the soldiers to UPHOLD DEMOCRACY.
Ugh.
Doesn't mean anything yet. There's routine paperwork for extradition to be done, you can't dismiss that out of hand. The US will review the evidence, and hopefully deny it when there's absolutely nothing of value submitted.
GB is suffering from the Brexit and they are not even out yet.
Even if the State Department considers that there is "merit" to the extradition request, the request must then enter the US legal system where the judge can toss the evidence and say "request denied".
The Executive Branch cannot execute an extradition action on its own.
I'm sorry what. The UK is already suffering from their stupid decision and they aren't even out yet. Also, Erdogan was furious towards Cameron since he's losing Turkey's biggest cheerleader within the EU.
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The Guardian has an article where Turkey officials say they expected to be killed and that the coup nearly succeeded but was blundered following the attack on parliament.
yongeandcollege
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False flag. No other reasonable explanation.
Frankfurter
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Arguably, since Brexit it holds even more leverage, considering what kind of shit show is going on in the UK right now.
andythinkpad
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The EU countries didn't think Turkey/Erdogan would honor human right and rule of law when they denied Turkey. And they were absolutely right, just like General De Gaulle was right about the Brits.
Also the EU will be dissolved in a few years anyway lulz.
gamechanger87
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You don't do a coup without already having the leader underwraps.
It was a prepackaged coup with the arrest lists already drafted and waiting to go. Just incite a few junior officers that there is a coup underway and then pull the rug out.
The haphazard nature of the coup underlines how it was meant to fail and give Ergodan free reign to move hardline.
NyMartin90
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I can't imagine who would want to deal with a new government if they literally blew him out of the sky. I think they could've atleast captured him at the airport and put him on a quick trial and exile.
Imagine the question of legitimacy if they really did kill him, and then his supporters would be even more violent even possibly preempting civil war.
I'm not defending him per say but atleast capturing him and a trial would've been better and more legitimate but this seems a lose-lose situation.
While I don't agree 100% about this being staged, I think given Turkey's history, past threats to Erdogan's power and the context of changing the military staff over the past year, there's still possibility it was a last ditch effort that was unorganized.
Erdogan has been expecting a coup for a long time and he's been prepared.
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