Randomizer123454444
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I think it's entirely reasonable to only let countries into EU, whose values are compatible with ours. I don't think Turkey ever met those requirements. So they don't get in.
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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I think it's entirely reasonable to only let countries into EU, whose values are compatible with ours. I don't think Turkey ever met those requirements. So they don't get in.
Ragnar Blackmane
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Yup. My guess is that they intended to implement those changes step by step over the years and now everything just gets fast tracked implemented instantly, same with the massive shit lists for purges/arrests/disappearances.
Exactly. That should have been the response from Brussels all along. They shouldn't be stringing along Turkey and its citizens. There is nothing wrong in saying to Turkey that they aren't 'European' enough.
Theonik
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The point of it is a process. Countries joining need to adhere to article 2 of the Lisbon Treaty and meet the criteria to join. They know what those are ahead of time. They can apply and gain access to assistance to implement the necessary reforms to eventually lead to a membership.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rals-military-president-erdogan-a7144141.html
Admiral not heard from since start of coup, many ships missing. Not sure if posted.
Admiral not heard from since start of coup, many ships missing. Not sure if posted.
The point of the EU is to overcome those differences. It's a process and for a brief period of time things seemed pretty good. But since Cyprus and now this negotiations are just wasted time.
And apparently they're getting hammered by a DDoS now. Typical.
Well apparently 3,000,000 Turkish state employees are now barred from leaving the country pending investigation. I have half a mind to tell my Turkish friend who's currently on holiday in Turkey to get the fuck out of there while she still can, but I'm afraid even those communications might be monitored and I'd just put her at risk.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Exactly can't dangle a carrot in front of them expecting them to change for the eventual goal of joining the EU w/o giving something back.
and money really. Turkey in a matter of days went back decades in progress. It has been ongoing for awhile but this fell swoop went a couple steps further.
blu
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It's getting uglier by the day for the normal people in there. I can only imagine how I'd feel in a situation like that. Perhaps now is the time for a summer vacation in Greece, TurkGaf.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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Can't wait what comes out of this.
Erdogan: Hail Hydra!
Ether_Snake
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I wonder if Turkey will invade Syria.
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
Interested in what's in those emails
DXB-KNIGHT
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I don't think so, they don't want to clash with Iran
I wonder if they're considering launching a strike.
Ragnar Blackmane
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It's in the Times now as well:
In context, the Turkish Navy has: 16 frigates, 8 corvettes, 13 submarines, 23 missile boats, if you exclude stuff like patrol boats and mine sweepers.The Times UK said:
That means a considerable part of the Turkish fleet has gone AWOL, including the flag ship, a state of the art missile frigate, that was "taken over" (in retrospective we can assume the crew was part of the coup), the Admiral in command of the entire Navy (Veysel Kosele) taken "hostage" (considering how many ships went AWOL I wouldn't be surprised if he was a coupist all along, or at least a considerable part of his high command) and set to sea Sunday morning.
And hit what specifically? Erdogan will be at a non-disclosed location most of the time and the rest of the coupists on land has surrendered, has been arrested or is in hiding. Launching missiles would also give away their position and result in the Air Force going after them like hornets. Hitting random buildings like the Parliament is pointless and counter-productive. In other words: They won't.Joni said:
The big question is where they will be going now. there aren't a whole lot countries left in the mediterranean sea that will lick their lips at getting a state of the art navy without regard to Erdogan's response and grant them asylum (like Gaddhafi). Assad might but I'm not sure how much of the Syrian coast is under his control and whether or not he would risk military strikes from Turkey against him.
Putin would... and the Russian's have an naval base in Syria (Tartus Naval Base). They might be going for that.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I doubt they could just keep the navy.
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They would definitely attack Syria over this.
They might sink their own ships?
They might sink their own ships?
That's a good part of the Turkish navy. Seeing what's happening on the ground with the other soldiers and officers I'm sure they have no intention of surrender.
I don't think an attack on anybody is good idea after you just changed most of the officers on almost all your army corps. That's like sending a mob to fight, not an army.
Ragnar Blackmane
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I think that if Putin takes them there is very little that Turkey can do. Russia has more leverage, is modernizing it's army (so 14 state of the art ships taken straight from the NATO would be one hell of a boon) and Erdogan just can't attack Russia or declare war on it, in that case the rest of NATO would keep the hell out of the conflict (NATO is a defensive alliance after all) and Russia has more firepower. Taking out Turkey would eliminate Putin's only major opponent in his zone of influence in the middle east ... and the Turkish military right now is like a hydra that had all its heads chopped off thanks to all the arrests.
This. They'd rather sink the ships out of spite near the Syrian coast and try to get asylum through the Russians or Assad.
So that would be the admiral of the Navy and the commanders of the second and third army that purportely were in the coup? That doesn't sound like a small faction. It also doesn't seem likely that such a coup would fail imo. I'm starting to wonder whether these people are actually involved or simply part of the purge.
I seriously, seriously doubt they would give away their ships to an enemy. Despite the rhetoric, they're insurgents, not traitors. They'll either defect to a NATO country and hand over the ships back to the regime (most likely), or play out some long stalemate with the Turkish government, but that would probably mean they at some point have to become pirates.
Yes, I don't see them handing over the ships to Russia or Syria unless they are really desperate. Problem with going to a NATO country is that it's more likely for them to be extradited.
I wonder how trying to contact Israel or Egypt could work.
Ragnar Blackmane
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"Enemy" is a relative term when it is about your very survival. If they go to a NATO country they will run a very high risk of being send back to Turkey. If they are staunch secularists they might also hate Erdogan enough to rather see the ships in the hands of the Russians or at the bottom of the ocean than in the hands of Erdogan and his puppets.
Yeah, good idea. Sisi didn't condemn the coup after all (he even blocked an UN resolution that was supposed to do that), is very unlikely to extradite coupists (which would undermine his own power, considering how he himself came to power) and would definitely like those ships in his navy. Israel on the other hand is rather close to the US and does rely on the goodwill of the rest of the NATO members to large parts.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Many european countries don't extradite to countries that have the death penalty. With Erdogan wanting to reinstate it they'd be relatively safe.
Dynamite Shikoku
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Is Turkey happy now to just make enemies with everyone
Maybe. But from Erdogan's point of view this makes sense. He has to keep up his narrative.
His Majesty
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Meanwhile Erdogan's goons have started attacking churches in Turkey.
orthodoxy1095
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There a reason why most of us Pontian Greeks are either gone or dead.
Got a news source on that though?
His Majesty
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orthodoxy1095
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Lmao "to protest the coup." (If I read that right)
What a bunch of brainless fools.
orthodoxy1095
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Eeeeesh.My mom's side is still there.
If they're Christians and/or value human rights, hopefully they can form an exit strategy ASAP.
My mom's side is still there.
hope they are safe
Succinct Verbosity
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The more enemies Turkey has, the better it is to solidify the STOIC LEADER VS THE WORLD narrative. It may be worse for Turkey as a whole, but hey, who cares about that when you can keep one despot in power.
andythinkpad
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They are firing teachers too?
Even if you are doing full on Islamic State, do you have to turn on the teachers so soon? They are harmless.
Even if you are doing full on Islamic State, do you have to turn on the teachers so soon? They are harmless.
His Majesty
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The Turkish embassy in Belgium has accused the Flemish government of having intimate ties with Gülenist movements and supporting a terrorist organisation.
The president of the Flemish Government, Geert Bourgeois, was not amused.
http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/buitenland/2.45521?eid=1.2717996
hopefully this won't lead to more 'protests'
The president of the Flemish Government, Geert Bourgeois, was not amused.
http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/buitenland/2.45521?eid=1.2717996
hopefully this won't lead to more 'protests'
Purging military and politically opponents, persecuting academics, silencing media. How far has Turkey fallen, from a shining beacon of the Middle East, to a backwards repressive country no better than Erdogan's rivals in Egypt or Saudi Arabia.
At least we can finally say that Erdogan's dreams of bringing back the backwards Ottoman empire is becoming reality. Iran, Iraq and Syria have much to better wary off, they need to bolster their military since Erdogan might set his sights southwards, better for him to be a king in the Middle East since he can't join the EU.
At least we can finally say that Erdogan's dreams of bringing back the backwards Ottoman empire is becoming reality. Iran, Iraq and Syria have much to better wary off, they need to bolster their military since Erdogan might set his sights southwards, better for him to be a king in the Middle East since he can't join the EU.
orthodoxy1095
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Holy shit.
The Flems?
No surprise. Everyone in the government should consider themselves a target.
This doesn't make any sense. It's like he wants to start protests/riots or something.
Or maybe the budget is on the very thin side? Budget cuts done fast.
Withdrawal from NATO? Demand that US leave Incirlik?
Indeed:
AFP: #BREAKING Turkey demands resignation of all public university deans: state-run media
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