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[Mivey]

Coup sinking fast

Public officials of the government rejecting is kind of obvious? And with the army it is weird: It's clear that this thing is lead from a splinter group, but nothing is really going up against them, except a few protests, which won't stop them from taking over the parliament and government ministries in the short term (and thereby formally making the coup succeed, at least initially)

A civil war is looming

 

[ClosingADoor]

So was all the private plane country hopping tales bullshit?

BBC reported via Reuters that Erdogan was on holiday at the seaside resort of Marmaris and has this photo of him speaking to reporters there.

I think this was a while ago. Don't know where he is now.

 

[Tugatrix]

Good luck with that, Erdogan is outside the country right now.

I don't believe he is, see some post's above

 

[TyrantII]

It's because apparently we're at a crossroads and my definition of a democracy - the voice of the majority - isn't the same as some posters here. Regardless, I think we can both agree that the civilians are in their rights to perform public arrests, wouldn't you say?

A majority votes to remove the Constitution.

Is that a Liberal Democracy?

Democracy is shit, which is why most countries are Republics and fight to enshrine minority rights, and limiting power.

 

[kirblar]

why didnt they find out where erdogan is first before starting to block bridges ? i mean once you got him arrested it should be all but over right ?

He's not in the country. He told his followers to go fight the coup via facetime.

 

[chadskin]

AFP: #BREAKING Obama urges support for 'democratically-elected' Turkish govt

 

[Mr.Sword]

Are they really shooting civilians who are protesting? These fucking thugs how can they claim they are for democracy while shooting civilians???

I have seen more than one video on twitter but can someone confirm this???

 

[TheRealTalker]

Didn't the Egypt coup have pretty large scale support?

any significant opposition was shutdown, killed, or arrested/banned

of course sometimes votes lead to bad results but relying on some military economy to save you is lol worthy

 

[jelmerjt]

So how many soldiers are supporting this coup? How big could this group be?

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

There is no confirmation on the F-16 thing.

Edit: Just got confirmed on AFP. Nevermind.

Hardly a confirmation.

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

Be wary of anything state run media report.

 

[Mr.Sumal]

Apparently accordong to some here: democracy includes a blank check to circumvent the courts, censor the media, arrest critics and abuse power

you only like democracy when it suits you rofl

i'll never forget what you said in the cdn poli thread

 

[Majukun]

Question to TurkeyGAF or people more in the know:

How possible or likely is it that this is all an elaborate show by Erdogan to seize more power?

I know there's a bunch of accusations against Erdogan that he's an autocratic, fascist dictator, but well, political opposition in many third world countries regularly shout this against the ruling government (not saying it isn't always true).

Has it ever been proven that Erdogan is capable of such deception?

he would need to find a lot of people in the military ready to die for him,or at least take an extreme punishment,since if erdogan "wins",everyone involved in teh coup is gonna be charged with treason

 

[Phantast2k]

Holy shit.

https://twitter.com/agirecudi/status/754086102907047937

@trtworld
Anadolu Agency: Attempts are being made by the Turkish Airforce to halt the use of military planes and helicopters in the coup attempt.

@AlArabiya_Eng
#BREAKING: Turkish fighter jet shoots down military helicopter used by coup plotters over #Turkey's #Ankara

 

[Shiggy]

Not to kill huge numbers of people? If the army really wanted to hundreds would be reported dead already. To me they seem to scaring people and not outright massacring people. Doing that would make the coup instantly fail.

I was talking about claims this is just a small fraction of the army. With no other parts of the army fighting back, that claim seems a bit dubious.

 

[Faustek]

Yeah and in turkey that's the case.

And that is shitty to say the least :/

If this coup fails, then say goodbye to the secular and civil Turkey you once knew, AKP and the fundamentalists will strike with a vengeance.

If the coup succeeds be prepared for Civil War.

There is no happy scenario anywhere in this. This is nothing to be happy about, we can hope and wish for the best outcome but please understand that even if you see this as the other side of the tunnel, a way out of the darkness the road that Turkey might be forced to walk is filled with the dead. There is nothing to cheer, we can hope for the best. That Erdogan is gone, that the country becomes more accepting of everyone, that whoever takes over is on that track as well and it's actually something people chose to live after.
But no, the road there? This isn't a pretty walk in the park.

 

[Uhyve]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elect...uring_the_Turkish_general_election,_June_2015

"Democracy in action"

Erdogan would stoop to releasing incorrect information to demotivate the opposition?

Unrelated but I'm absolutely certain that it's totally a just a small part of the military and that the coup has failed.......

 

[trembli0s]

Sounds like this coup was doomed from the start...

Not sure why they decided to do that...

The catalyst is apparently the wholesale appointment of Erdostoogies to the remaining military leadership positions which haven't already been tried and arrested.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Coup sinking fast

no, nobody wants to blow their load and back something that has a chance of failing, that would be suicide.

you wait it out before you make a statement or make a move

has zero impact on the state of the coup

 

[Lender]

Lots of shooting again.

 

[Tugatrix]

Are they really shooting civilians who are protesting? These fucking thugs how can they claim they are for democracy while shooting civilians???

I have seen more than one video on twitter but can someone confirm this???

warning shots aparently

 

[cilonen]

I think this was a while ago. Don't know where he is now.

OK, thanks. The BBC feed I,m following had that at 23:15.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-36811357

 

[SuperSah]

If I was of power in Turkey and supported the coup, of course I'd lie that I wasn't. You'd be dun fucked otherwise.

 

[KingSnake]

17 dead Police fuck im geting scared.

F16 jets shoots down army helicopter.

Civil war might happen. Fuck

Can you stop posting without any source?

It's bloody annoying.

 

[JP_]

17 dead Police fuck im geting scared.

F16 jets shoots down army helicopter.

Civil war might happen. Fuck

Sources??

 

[ArjanN]

Jesus christ, they won't be killed.
Most of the foot soldiers are probably also Erdogan supporters and are only following orders they don't agree with. After seeing the whole country unite against the coup they probably were convinced to disobey their orders since they didn't really want to follow them anyway.

lol wat. they don't want to shoot at cilivilians because a) they're not monsters and b) they want the support of the people.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

So how many soldiers are supporting this coup? How big could this group be?

EU says substantial planning.

But who the fuck does a coup on a weekend.

Reports claiming it doesn't have military command support.

God knows. What is going on exactly and what will happen.

 

[eyeball_kid]

Can someone explain in short what a military coupe is? For dummies...

A coup (short for the French phrase coup d'état and pronounced like "koo"), is an illegal takeover of power within a government. A military one is when the military attempts to usurp the power of the civilian government and take direct control. A "bloodless coup" is when a transition of power occurs without violence, but that almost never happens.

 

[O Canada Our Home and Native Land]

AFP: #BREAKING Obama urges support for 'democratically-elected' Turkish govt

Why? Stay out of it, Obama. Wth.

 

[qcf x2]

There was never going to be a happy outcome here. It's a choice of least bad options.

I think a lot of people are going to be murdered and oppressed because of this regardless at this point. Might as well not leave it in the hands of a madman.

If you think military control in open defiance of the will of the people --wrought by slaughtering civilians, no less-- is an improvement then I have to question your very sanity. This is not a game. Nor is it or should it be your choice of options. The choice should be among the citizens of Turkey.

 

[18-Volt]

Like the Reichstag Fire?

I doubt it though, too many parties involved.

This is getting more and more likely. Erdogan accuses Gulen for the event and several MP's vow that Gulen will be brought to justice and this will make easier to ask him return. Whole thing was a ploy to destroy Gulen sect and secure presidency. Rising fanaticism is just a cherry on top.

 

[Corto]

Jesus christ, they won't be killed.
Most of the foot soldiers are probably also Erdogan supporters and are only following orders they don't agree with. After seeing the whole country unite against the coup they probably were convinced to disobey their orders since they didn't really want to follow them anyway.

You think the coup forces would risk using pro-Erdogan supporters in their ranks? If that was the case this would have been leaked before even happening, and heads would roll.

 

[Kolx]

There are clear pictures of people being carried after being shot yet people here are calling everyone against this shit a pro Ardogan and supporting these fuckin criminals who has no support of any political group.

 

[Vastag]

Holy shit.

https://twitter.com/agirecudi/status/754086102907047937

If someone had told me a week ago that an helicopter would be doing a gun run in the middle of Ankara I would have laugh at his face.

 

[Fushichou187]

The Army needs to succeed. Erdogan was not supposed to survive politically after Taksim Sq.

.. or after he was implicated in corruption in 2013, or after the AKP lost its majority in parliament (initially) during last June's general election--- good thing Erdogan got a do-over! etc.. etc... it's like herpes.

 

[reckless]

EU says substantial planning.

But who the fuck does a coup on a weekend.

Reports claiming it doesn't have military command support.

God knows. What is going on exactly and what will happen.

Military commanders have been purged by Erodgon. They aren't going to support the coup its the lower level people that would.

 

[Regginator]

I posted it at least a dozen times, including in the OP.

Worth noting that whether Erdogan was democratically elected is quite dubious as every time there has been massive electoral fraud. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Elector...uring_the_Turkish_general_election,_June_2015

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elect...uring_the_Turkish_general_election,_June_2015

"Democracy in action"

Those are rather sizeable wiki pages, so I won't be able to go in-depth right now, but I will try to get back after reading it casually, watching the ongoing streams, and skimming this thread as we go (wouldn't want to miss new developments, now would I?).

 

[ClosingADoor]

EU says substantial planning.

But who the fuck does a coup on a weekend.

Reports claiming it doesn't have military command support.

God knows. What is going on exactly and what will happen.

It needs to have some guys in high places supporting it. Who is managing these people otherwise and instructed them to do this.

 

[Baron Doggystyle von Woof]

Disgusting how people on GAF would rather have the chance of a civil war.

You are probably the same guys who still think Iraq has been liberated and brought democracy.

You guys are probably the same people who think Egypt has been saved when the army killed several thousands of people and overthrown a democratic elected government.

Truly disgusting.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Would be game over if true?

 

[Kusagari]

Lol at people expecting opposition figures to publicly back a coup nobody knows the full details on.

If it fails and Erdogan is back in power they're fucked if they support it.

 

[massivekettle]

Why? Stay out of it, Obama. Wth.

Because he's been democratically elected.

 

[Arnie7]

I feel some people are missing context here.

Of course in most cases a coup is never the right way to go in a democratic state.

However in this case it is very different. In Turkish history coups enshrined in constitution if democracy is under threat. Erdogan is a person who has locked up journalists and political opponents. He censors all media and controls the net. Most people supporting him on the streets are brainwashed hardliners that oppose secular movement in Turkey.

 

[wrowa]

Not if Erdogan stays in power, it will not be a democracy.

So? Erdogan weakening or abolishing Turkey's democracy doesn't mean that the forces behind the coup are fighting for a more democratic Turkey. Sure, it might be the case. But it might also not. I don't think we know yet.

Worst case, a military dictatorship surely would be even worse than what Erdogan is doing.

I'm not in support of Erdogan at all, but I think people should be more cautious before starting to support a coup whole-heartedly.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Are there people injured in the bridge? And looks like the stream's out.

 

[oti]

Some people need to read "Diplomacy for Dummies". You really think other nation's leaders would (openly) support this coup? Come on.

 

[Phantast2k]

AFP: #BREAKING Obama urges support for 'democratically-elected' Turkish govt

But I thought it was a Gülen / CIA coup...


Another source for shot down heli:
@AFP
#BREAKING Turkish F-16s shoot down helicopter carrying 'coup plotters': NTV television

/all of them citing NTV so far though

 

[Mr.Sumal]

@trtworld
Anadolu Agency: Attempts are being made by the Turkish Airforce to halt the use of military planes and helicopters in the coup attempt.

@AlArabiya_Eng
#BREAKING: Turkish fighter jet shoots down military helicopter used by coup plotters over #Turkey's #Ankara

they need to end this fast

we cant have anymore blood being spilled

 

[NyMartin90]

Would be game over if true?

Then it might actually be true that this was planned by junior officers

 

[nynt9]

If you think military control in open defiance of the will of the people --wrought by slaughtering civilians, no less-- is an improvement then I have to question your very sanity. This is not a game. Nor is it or should it be your choice of options. The choice should be among the citizens of Turkey.

Unfortunately Erdogan has taken that choice away from Turkish citizens by taking away their ability to vote fairly and have access to free press.