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[Klyka]

I'm so confused, is this coup good thing if it wins?

No one can say that the coup is a good thing.

Sadly at the same time, everything that makes Erdogan stronger is a bad thing.

 

[TheAutomator]

THEY WERE DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED, DON'T YOU GET IT. WHO CARES IF THEY ACT UNDEMOCRATICALLY!

Spoiler

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It's honestly very funny to witness. It's like democracy is the word of God and we mustn't dare to disagree with it.

 

[MMaRsu]

I'm watching Dutch television now (Nieuwsuur) and they're also talking about multiple dead (didn't specify if it was 17) and an army helicopter being shot down. I will post the written source when I find it.

Nieuwsuur volgt alleen Twitter en het ANP..

Democracy doesnt mean anything if you cheat in the elections.

 

[JP_]

I'm so confused, is this coup good thing if it wins?

Nobody knows what will happen either way.

 

[cilonen]

I'm in Turkey right now on holiday, in the Hisaronu region in the south (Fethiye). Flown in to Dalaman airport.

Really short on details now and internet is out so I'm having to be fucked on mobile data to contact people.

Can someone advise what to do in this situation? Sleep is out the window, thanks.

Stay put, stay indoors. If you hear shouting / commotion outside get away from the windows.

Outside of a big city with a big active protest things should be calmer.

 

[FreedomFighter]

Estonian president:

https://twitter.com/ilvestoomas/status/754088007242616832

Hope he said the same thing for Honduras.

 

[Majukun]

Sources??

the policemen death one has been reported by sky but is second hand info

the f-16 shooting an helicopter is from a twit of some news agency

 

[Tugatrix]

Not sure what's happening here...

that's a F-16 not a chopper

 

[MUnited83]

you only like democracy when it suits you rofl

i'll never forget what you said in the cdn poli thread

I love on how you don't even try to have actual arguments. You know Erdogan is not democratic and is actively destroying democracy. Yet, you keep on jerking off to every fucking thing he does, while complaining at the same time about "undemocratic actions". You'd probably do the same with Hitler really. After all, that was all "democracy" too.

Whatever you smoke must be some good shit.

 

[jm89]

17 police officers dead apparently,their won't be a civil war rather a purge against the coupe instigators.

 

[Abinash117]

I was talking about claims this is just a small fraction of the army. With no other parts of the army fighting back, that claim seems a bit dubious.

Okay, I though you were referring to why the military was letting themselves get arrested.

 

[Übermatik]

So it's a failed coup now, is that what I'm hearing?

 

[kirblar]

If you think military control in open defiance of the will of the people --wrought by slaughtering civilians, no less-- is an improvement then I have to question your very sanity. This is not a game. Nor is it or should it be your choice of options. The choice should be among the citizens of Turkey.

It's not a game. But slavishly worshiping an ideal of "democracy" without looking at the very real consequences of allowing a man like Erdrogan to remain and consolidate power is absurdly naive.

The United States deliberately put non-democratic failsafes in our government to hedge against the tyrannies of democracy. They did the same.

 

[maquiladora]

Low level pass. Armed with air to air missiles. Afterburner.

 

[PodcastFips]

I can't help but laugh whenever I read the word 'democratic' in combination with 'election' when it comes to Turkey. Strange opinions in here, really.

 

[Sax1031]

By the way, The Turkish Constitution says that the military must safeguard the secular nature of Turkey

wouldn't be surprised if the constitution gets updated.

 

[koji kabuto]

If you support a violent take overs and think the way to change is for people go down to the streets with weapons and start shooting who ever they disagree with than don't be shocked when it happens in your country.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Not sure what's happening here...

Holy fuck

 

[dakun]

I'm so confused, is this coup good thing if it wins?

depends on what you want. Short Term is could mean many dead people, long term it could mean a more secular democratic Turkey compared to the route Erdogan has taken.
The Military seems far less united now than it was in the past coups, thanks to Erdogan of course.. So nobody can say for sure what will happen.

 

[LegendofLex]

It's not a game. But slavishly worshiping an ideal of "democracy" without looking at the very real consequences of allowing a man like Erdrogan to remain and consolidate power is absurdly naive.

People really just need to realize that elections != democracy.

 

[orochi91]

17 police officers dead apparently,their won't be a civil war rather a purge against the coupe instigators.

Source?

That's an absolute tragedy is true :/

This coup has been a disaster.

 

[massivekettle]

So it's a failed coup now, is that what I'm hearing?

It appears so. Erdogan massively popular it seems.

 

[Chronoja]

Is there anywhere still covering the bridge? All coverage seems to have cut away from it.

 

[Regginator]

Nieuwsuur volgt alleen Twitter en het ANP..

Het ANP is toch best wel een officieel bron zou je zeggen?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

So it's a failed coup now, is that what I'm hearing?

Looks like it. Too many demonstrators on the street.

 

[Kusagari]

So numerous people on GAF think the world should just stand by and let despot dictator shitheads ruin their countries if democratically elected(even though fraud might be involved in that).

 

[Dennis]

I can't help but laugh whenever I read the word 'democratic' in combination with 'election' when it comes to Turkey. Strange opinions in here, really.

All the support for the islamist Erdogan here has really been eyeopening.

 

[Mr.Sword]

What kind of law support this bullshit? There are shootings and people lives on the line, how is it democracy when the army can hit the reset button whenever they deem it worthy? This man was elected by millions and there is no way in hell things won't escalate with more deaths if this continue. Either it is full democracy or not, make up your mind turkey. And hats off to all the political parties who refused this shitshow of a coup.

 

[Slime]

Sadly I think this will just make Erdogan stronger.

 

[WickedLaharl]

Statements like this should be bannable.

Saying all Muslims are brainwashed? This is insulting.

Not saying it should not be available but I don't really see people get banned for bashing Christianity or almost any organized religion.

 

[D4Danger]

I'm in Turkey right now on holiday, in the Hisaronu region in the south (Fethiye). Flown in to Dalaman airport.

Really short on details now and internet is out so I'm having to be fucked on mobile data to contact people.

Can someone advise what to do in this situation? Sleep is out the window, thanks.

keep checking the gov site

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/turkey

Still current at:15 July 2016
Updated:15 July 2016

Latest update: Summary - We are aware of the current developments in Turkey. We are urgently seeking more information. Until the situation becomes clearer, we advise you to avoid public places and remain vigilant

 

[Digital-Hero]

Low level pass. Armed with air to air missiles. Afterburner.

When did we sell Turkey F-16s?

 

[PdotMichael]

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It's honestly very funny to witness. It's like democracy is the word of God and we mustn't dare to disagree with it.

Same shit happened with the Brexit thread when a glorified poll was enough for some GAF users to muzzle any form of opposition.

 

[Kralamoonard]

All the support for the islamist Erdogan here has really been eyeopening.

Anti coup doesn't necessarily mean pro erdougan.

 

[TyrantII]

Truly disgusting.

What I find disgusting is the sizeable portion of people in here that are apologists for a anti-liberal facist, that was "elected" with questions surrounding the ballot.

Is is economically motivated, or religious? The Turkish version of I got mine, fuck you?

What about jailing journalists and political enemies is not disgusting? Rolling back civiliberties or the freedom of the press?

 

[MMaRsu]

Het ANP is toch best wel een officieel bron zou je zeggen?

Normaal gesproken wel, ik denk dat er nu alleen weinig kans is op legitieme informatie.. propaganda enz.

 

[LNBL]

Watching footage on al jazeera of soldies walking backwards and shooting in the air while a large crowd keeps moving along with them

 

[trembli0s]

Well, kiss secular Turkey good bye.

I hope Turkey is excited for the tourism rock bottom drop they're about to have as they increasingly turn to Islamic strong arm government.

what a waste

 

[Soldiussnaku]

Not sure what's happening here...

Looks like warning shots, but holy fucking shit at that helicopter gun power, we humans can really make guns that can vaporise anything in its path.

Not seen those types of flashes outside of lighting storms.

 

[Majukun]

So it's a failed coup now, is that what I'm hearing?

nobody knows,even news agencies are trying to define the situation..any declaration in one sense or the other is pure speculation

 

[ClosingADoor]

People driving the soldiers from Taksim Square on Al Jazeera now. Soldiers firing in the air, but people don't care and push them away.

What kind of law support this bullshit? There are shootings and people lives on the line, how is it democracy when the army can hit the reset button whenever they deem it worthy? This man was elected by millions and there is no way in hell things won't escalate with more deaths if this continue. Either it is full democracy or not, make up your mind turkey. And hats off to all the political parties who refused this shitshow of a coup.

The military can perform a coup if the government gets away from its secularism. But it seems the military is not united in supporting this one.

 

[Phantast2k]

AFP: #BREAKING Obama urges support for 'democratically-elected' Turkish govt

@tombarfield
German gov calls to 'respect democratic order' in Turkey and protect human lives

@RegSprecher
Die demokratische Ordnung in der #Türkei muss respektiert werden. Alles muss getan werden, um Menschenleben zu schützen.

 

[EatinOlives]

People really just need to realize that elections != democracy.

Especially when the integrity of said elections is very shaky at best.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Looks like it. Too many demonstrators on the street.

that has zero baring on the success of taking control of government facilities, taking political hostages, removing the federals government ability to fight back and take control of state media.

 

[reckless]

Why the hell didn't they go grab Erdogan at the very beginning that was really dumb on the the Military's part.

 

[Heshinsi]

war crime

I thought they didn't directly shoot at people though. Those weren't targeted shots at protestors right?

 

[jerry113]

Yeah, Turkey is a nuclear weapon power. A coup makes me nervous.

 

[Sax1031]

All the support for the islamist Erdogan here has really been eyeopening.

i don't support Erdogan.

i support the people of Turkey.

 

[massivekettle]

All the support for the islamist Erdogan here has really been eyeopening.

Please stop. At least he's been elected democratically... and not forcing its will upon the people like the Army is doing right now.

 

[patapuf]

When did we sell Turkey F-16s?

They are a NATO member. A pretty big one.