TheLostBigBoss
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It would be insane for a wester government to openly support a coup taking place in a country that is a NATO member.
He would not do that.
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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It would be insane for a wester government to openly support a coup taking place in a country that is a NATO member.
He would not do that.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
What an idiotic ass.
Plus with Britain leaving the EU, Turkey loses its sole major cheerleader for membership.
I didn't say they weren't. We've got other areas where the army is shooting warning shots and trying not to shoot people as they are being pushed back. From what I heard and read earlier, the helis were firing warning shoots, and not deliberately aiming at civs.
It's pretty much dead for a while now. Absolutely hopeless with Erdogan in power.
Don't you know? It's "democracy"!
But its the job of army to enforce it.
Stands in their constitution.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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I want the people to vite him away like it should. He didn't suddenly lose last elections.
massivekettle
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It sure beats what the Army has caused...
TheAutomator
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Kralamoonard
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Oh come on people, sure there are tonnes of problems with Erdogan, and his party, and they should be scrutinised, and criticised, but IMO a coup isn't the way to do it, especially one that risks bloodshed. That doesn't mean we're all pro erdogan.
Regginator
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In dit geval zou ik eerder denken dat westerse propaganda de andere kant op werkt, namelijk pro-staatsgreep/anti-Erdogan. En het nieuws dat ANP bracht is niet echt in het voordeel van deze staatsgreep.
hopefully the council of mayhem come to their senses
drop their arms and stop this madness
Yeah, I know right?
yeah my bad. I'm exhausted.
Finally got back from Pascal this morning, after trying to call him all night, he had not joined in so late in Nice. I'm exhausted and afraid of people here not seeing the big picture of what a war will lead to.
that's not a helicopter.
that is an f-16.
more than likely the rounds being fired at the protesters.
That would mean that the rebels have at least one F16. Which would be a bit strange for an isolated rebellion.
PdotMichael
Banned
Bonus points for the actively violating the principles of democracy thing.
But "democracy".
JimmyRustler
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Jup, this. No sympathy for Turkey from here on in. If they want him, they can have him.
Hope this situation is the last nail in the coffin for Turkey joining the EU in any way.
That Obama statement makes it clear the U.S. doesn't think the coup will succeed. They must know now that there's not enough support for it around the country. Either it will fail or lead to a standstill for the next couple of days.
Also, it's never good to support a military coup. If the coup succeeds, its organizers won't hold a lot of grudges against any government that didn't support them. But Erdogan will hold a grudge, so it's better than just stay out of it and condemn any coup.
Gezus.
Also, it's never good to support a military coup. If the coup succeeds, its organizers won't hold a lot of grudges against any government that didn't support them. But Erdogan will hold a grudge, so it's better than just stay out of it and condemn any coup.
Gezus.
The Obama administration making that statement would seem to indicate they expect the coup to fail. They can't destroy relations with Erdogan if they think Erdogan is going to be the ruler that they need to continue to deal with.
d00d3n
Member
I agree. People with no previous signs jumped on this ship just like that. One of the worst offenders has a post history mostly consisting of Pokemon fanaticism.
There was going to be bloodshed either way. What do you think was going to happen to his opposition?
Note the phrasing. It's a hedge.
MMaRsu
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What..? The country wasnt fine as it was. Taking over two news stations and jailing your opposition isnt a good thing. Not to mention implement more and more religious inspired laws.
Turkish military has a responsibility to keep religion out of the state.
As I understand it this is correct, is it not? It's the military's job to safeguard the secular and democratic nature of the Turkish government. And this is not the first time they have done so, no?
DXB-KNIGHT
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Not every one here who supports Erdogan is Turkish.
Regarding my point of view I don't like Religious political.
I'm with separation of state and religion.
cartoon_soldier
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worst coup ever
Bam Bam Baklava
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It's standard diplomatic procedure.
That's what I thought. Still, if this coup fails and erdogan uses it to become more of a dictator, will that not mean he will basically isolate himself from the west even more? All options are bad for the Turkish people
Appreantly supporting an army shooting people without any political support is democratic tho right ?
The moment Erdogan asked his supporters to take on to the streets was the moment the chances for a peaceful resolution went out the window. Whatever the result (coup will fail if it's just a part of the military behind this), Turkey will suffer after this. It's a terrible situation.
No, he just fucked cheated, arrested anyone who spoke out against him, and packed the judiciary with stooges who would vote in his favor.
Turkey has dropped over 50 spots in the Freedom Index in the last 10 years. It's going to turn into another fundamentalist hell hole.
CraigerGamer
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Feed on CNN shows large crowds waving at the military...and the military waving back. This is crazy.
Fantastapotamus
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Good. This Turkey has no place in the EU
I mean, I don't think a coup is a happy thing either, but considering he controls the election process, the press, parts of the army, the judicial system, the health system, even many corporations, how do you remove such a leader?
hobblygobbly
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Powers eroded from PM to president, jailing of journalists (incl. foreign journalists), attempts at reforming judicial system to give Erdogan more power, etc is apparently "a country fine as it was", let's not even get into the nationalism situation. That's not fine, especially since these are the things that have decimated Turkey's diplomatic relationship with most of Europe.
mercenar1e
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its insanity but i guess if Assad can stay in power with the people behind him so can Erdogan.
eyeball_kid
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massivekettle
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Then, the Turkish people have to lead the revolution, not the Army. Besides, the people of Turkey seem to be supporting Erdogan, so don't think this coup is going to work anyway.
Then that's up to the people of Turkey to stand up to oppression. Seems like they are rejecting the Army's coup... make of that what you will
Yup.
worst coup ever
Also, Erdogan's call for resistance was unexpectedly potent.
You still think that his government is democratic. IT'S NOT. The only explanation for your posts is a weird ass sense of idolization of him. You constantly go on and on about "democracy" while COMPLETELY IGNORING the complete lack of democracy on Erdogan's government. You claim to give a shit about democracy. You do not. You're doing nothing but supporting a authocratic dictator. You're no better than Hitler supporters.
worst coup ever
jeez is this the first failed coup attempt in turkey ? im gonna go ahead and say erdogan is gonna make damn sure its never ever gonna happen again
SmackAttack
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This is nuts. I can't keep up with this thread and have no idea what any of this means but stay safe people.
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