No doubt there is a substantial part of the Turkish population that supports Erdogan's islamist views. I don't think that is in dispute.
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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No doubt there is a substantial part of the Turkish population that supports Erdogan's islamist views. I don't think that is in dispute.
Starfield
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I am not as knowledgeable on Turkey but democracy is a joke when you have broken institutions. Looks like democratic institutions have been breaking down for a while now so regardless of whether the coup succeeded or not, it'd be hard to go back to a stable democratic government.
Reckheim
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He is on the other side of the bridge, it was a pointless interview.
Royal_Phalanx
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Seems like Erdogan's purge worked. A sad day for secularism, and a victory for Islamism.
It would have been needed, much earlier though.
orthodoxy1095
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Turkey has no democracy.
Coups can, and have in other situations, institute or revitalize a democracy.
So no, no joke post.
cartoon_soldier
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Link?
He already is Islamizing the country.
TheLostBigBoss
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A coup does need a sense of speed.
If it fails to gain hold of specific parts of government (and even parts of the military) then you will start to lose momentum, and once that happens it can fall apart extremely quickly.
The longer it is without clear control, the more likely it has failed
If it fails to gain hold of specific parts of government (and even parts of the military) then you will start to lose momentum, and once that happens it can fall apart extremely quickly.
The longer it is without clear control, the more likely it has failed
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Updated title provisionally to reflect information coming out now (i.e. messages from foreign governments, opposition members in Turkey, and government sources). Of course a lot of disinformation comes out in a tense and fluid situation like this, so it's possible this is incorrect. Either myself or another mod will update the title again as the situation evolves.
More ironically, he used social media to galvanize his followers when he said twitter is a cancer a couple years ago when people were organizing against him
massivekettle
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Whether he wants to do that or not is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. He was elected democratically and people haven't stood up to him, which they could have done tonight, for instance, to get rid of him and his policies.
I'm hearing conflicting information from almost all major sources. Is there anything that has been consistently accurate thus far? Let's try not to post every tweet we see without an understanding of the source's legitimacy.
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Thank you
Fine Ham Abounds
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The US's interest in Turkey I assume is still mostly pragmatic and benefits from stability.
That and besides, nothing good comes from openly condoning a military shooting protestors. We need to wait at least until Trump is president to start doing stuff like that.
The biggest thing making this confusing is the fact that this kind of thing is supported by their own Constitution, I guess just to guarantee when things go bad they can more justifiably get worse. The timing on this may have doomed it as well.
cartoon_soldier
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Which is why this has failed
orthodoxy1095
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That comparison is an affront to all the people who died at Tiananmen Square.
This is a direct attack against democracy
Bam Bam Baklava
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Why not just hold off on any determination? It's not a presidential election, you don't have to make a forecast before all the votes are in.
His Majesty
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Erdogan fanatics have attacked an office of Gulen sympathisants in the Belgian town of Beringen.
http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/binnenland/1.2715322
http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/binnenland/1.2715322
Seems like the last straw. Terrible, terrible.
Elfforkusu
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Turkish tradition would be: kick out current government, restore democratic elections once things settle down.
How small/big is this coup?
Majukun
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those,at least from the second footage shown by sky news,were warning shots..the protester just laid down during them and then standed up and kept protesting like nothing happened.
JuanLatino
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TheLostBigBoss
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Well, whoever tried to orchestrate this coup just handed Erdoğan complete authoritarian power.
congrats shit heads
congrats shit heads
Starfield
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go home. turn off internet and pls dont post here
mercenar1e
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it seems like the country will sooner or later head into a civil war if the coup wins or fails.
toadsworth
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Really hoping this doesn't descend into open warfare
Council of mayhem just doing their job
I really hope the turkish army can safeguard the population and stop these guys
eyeball_kid
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IMO given the amount of firepower still being thrown around, it might be a bit premature to say that the coup has failed. Too much fog of war right now to have definitive answers.
Where are those civilian casualties? Post some sources man.
And holy shit how blind can you possibly be? Haven't you looked into the state of things in Turkey and the shit Erdogan has done? He jails and makes dissapear the oposition, he pushes to get more and more control all for himself, he makes sure to control the media. Calling this government democratic is the most goddamn ignorant thing you can say.
And no shit president twitters aren't going to say shit. They're still part of NATO.
The dude is bad but some people voted for him" is not a goddamn excuse holy shit.
He was going there anyways. At least they are trying to stop him.
Really, really tiny from the look of things.
In fact, I'd call this a "mutiny" rather than an actual "coup".
Fucking hell.
I am guessing they were just low passing jets. There was no smoke or anything.
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