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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal

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Cromat

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Coup is a failure. Erdogan is popular as evidenced by his repeated election victories. I don't think he is particularly good for Turkey or the world but it is what it is. Trying to impose your will on millions by taking control of some buildings and bridges is completely useless.
 
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Famassu

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ksharp said:
Please stop. At least he's been elected democratically... and not forcing its will upon the people like the Army is doing right now.
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No he wasn't. The army isn't "forcing its will upon the people", it's trying to remove the parties that AREN'T letting the will of the people be heard without dire consequences if they dare oppose the current government. Once Erdogan would be out, there would be another election where people would have their voices heard. If the elections were less of a clusterfuck than it was last time (which were far from democratic, so stop throwing around that empty claim), then ALL people would actually get their voices heard instead of whatever BS went on the last time.
 
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Oriel

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Notice that most of the media coverage has been on Istanbul but not Ankara where the coup is being played out. It'll be interesting to see the extent of the fighting come the morning when, presumably, this whole thing has ended.
 
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Talka

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What is leading y'all to say the coup is small or over?

I'm seeing so little actual information and a ton of armchair echo chamber nonsense.

Does anyone know what's actually going on or all we all pretending?
 
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Ogodei

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Damn, failure is going to mean Erdogan has all the power and that if it looked like he was going crazy before, just wait for the next few months.

So if Turkey was inching towards catastrophe now they'll go at it at a run.
 
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Heshinsi

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Oriel said:
Notice that most of the media coverage has been on Istanbul but not Ankara where the coup is being played out. It'll be interesting to see the extent of the fighting come the morning when, presumably, this whole thing has ended.
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So if the coup succeeds in securing Ankara, what then?
 
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Arnie7

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mnz said:
I've not see outright support of Erdogan.I do feel critics underestimate the insane risks of a military coup, though...
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Turkey has a history of it though. Thats why context is key here, its not like most other nations where it usually is another despot seeking power. It is done for best intention.

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HISTORY OF TURKISH COUPS: MILITARY HAS PREVIOUS HISTORY OF OVERTHROWING THE CIVILIAN GOVERNMENT

The Turkish army regards itself as the protector of Turkish democracy, a philosophy made up of secular ideals created by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk - the founder of the modern Turkish Republic.

There have been three major coups in the past 50 years with thousands killed as a result of military intervention and social and political unrest.

1960
The first coup took place in 1960 as political tension reached boiling point between the government, led by prime minister Adnan Menderes and president Celal Bayar, the opposing parties and the armed forces.
The administration began to re-open mosques and opened new religious schools as well as calling for people to pray in Arabic rather than Turkish. It also imposed new press laws banning critical articles in newspapers.
After periods of unrest Menderes was forced to employ martial law. The government was eventually toppled and the president, prime minister and several cabinet members were arrested. Menderes was later executed.

1971
While there was not a coup in 1971, events in this period would contribute to military intervention in nine years time.
Turkey had sunk into a recession, with their currency failing - causing protests in the streets with often violent demonstrations and attacks from right-wing organisations.
The military intervened and prime minister, Suleyman Demirel resigned with a right-wing temporary government put in place.

1980
The 1970s were a time of immense political and social unrest in Turkey with thousands being killed and 11 prime ministers taking control.
A military coup was announced on TV in September 1980 with the army establishing martial law.
The government was dissolved and naval officer Bulend Ulusu became prime minister for three year,s before he was succeeded by Turgut Ozal.
While there was a stability that came with the military rule but hundreds of thousands of people were executed, tortured or went missing during this period.

1997
After the Islamist Welfare Party took power in 1996 the armed forces suggested a series of policies that it urged the Government to take.
The following year it ensured changes including a headscarf ban at universities and an eight-year education programme to ensure that young people did not enrol at religious schools - were put in place.
Prime Minister Necmettin Erbakan resigned and was slapped with a five-year ban from politics.
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Already Torn

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Talka said:
What is leading y'all to say the coup is small or over?

I'm seeing so little actual information and a ton of armchair echo chamber nonsense.

Does anyone know what's actually going on or all we all pretending?
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Multiple sources seemingly confirming it, attacking parliament doesn't really make much sense as anything other than a last-ditch effort.
 
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orochi91

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TheLostBigBoss said:
Well, whoever tried to orchestrate this coup just handed Erdoğan complete authoritarian power.

congrats shit heads
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This coup probably could have been a success if Erdogan hadn't galvanized his supporters via social media.

Ironic as hell, given how much he hated social media.
 
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Diancecht

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FOX Turkey reports that members of the parliament have descended down to the bunker in the parliament, and that there are people injured.
 
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Famassu

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Hado said:
so....can they join EU now?
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Even in their good days prior to Erdogan & gang they weren't all that close to becoming a part of EU (there were some initial talks, but a lot would still have to have changed). Now they are basically at point zero again or even going into the negatives, so they are just even further away from EU membership.
 
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massivekettle

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Famassu said:
No he wasn't. The army isn't "forcing its will upon the people", it's trying to remove the parties that AREN'T letting the will of the people be heard without dire consequences if they dare oppose the current government. Once Erdogan would be out, there would be another election where people would have their voices heard. If the elections were less of a clusterfuck than it was last time (which were far from democratic, so stop throwing around that empty claim), then ALL people would actually get their voices heard instead of whatever BS went on the last time.
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Sure. That's why people have followed Erdogan's call and gone on the streets to oppose the Army. If Erdogan was so unpopular, he would have been quashed tonight. A few hours in, this coup is nearing its end, it appears.
 
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ElTorro

I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
Do we even know who is attacking who?

Are pro-Erdogan air force jets hitting government buildings occupied by coup forces? Or are coup forces attacking members of government in their buildings?
 
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jmood88

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The people who planned the coup might as well go ahead and kill themselves cause things aren't going to be pleasant when Erodgan gets back.
 
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Morat

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Talka said:
What is leading y'all to say the coup is small or over?

I'm seeing so little actual information and a ton of armchair echo chamber nonsense.

Does anyone know what's actually going on or all we all pretending?
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I would also like to know this, How widespread is th/is thing? Is it 'only' in Itanbul and the capital? Whats up around US bases int the country
 
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Phrozenflame500

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I really hate Erdogan, but I also really hate military coups. What a quandary.

This entire situation really just sucks, and it's probably going to end out badly for Turkey in the end.
 
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His Majesty

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His Majesty said:
Erdogan fanatics have attacked an office of Gulen sympathisants in the Belgian town of Beringen.

http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/binnenland/1.2715322
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Also tensions at the Turkish consulate in Rotterdam. Lots of Turkish youth have gathered there and are singing religious chants and praise for Erdogan. They attacked a crew of NOS (public broadcasting). Cars are being damaged.

http://nos.nl/artikel/2117897-gespannen-sfeer-bij-turks-consulaat-in-rotterdam.html
 
Starfield

Starfield

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N24 reporting that the coup has been prevented whilst showing turkish reporters in the city of Ankara with citizens around tanks.

idk whats right or wrong
 
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Oriel

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Kusagari said:
Doing the coup with Erdogan out of the country was a massive blunder.

First move should have been to capture him. This is wildly different without him fueling people on via social media.
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Erdogan was holiday in the town of Bodrum on the country's coast when the coup attempt was mounted. He was never in the air it now seems and merely waited out the battle while encouraging his supporters to fight on his behalf. The hallmark of a coward. But yeah, the coup plotters really should have took him into custody immediately along with the cabinet and security chief's at the outset. At least he couldn't have called out to his supporters on Facetime.
 
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