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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal

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Frustrated_me

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Pro-government chants:

"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"

..Truly fucked Turkey is.
 
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Markoman

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Crisium said:
The Thrace area has been Greek more than Turkish throughout history. You don't need to equate it to a maddening claim to retake the whole briefly held Alexander the Great conquests.
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Are we seriously talking about Greece reclaiming the Thrace area? If so, my post absolutely fits the amount of insanity emerging from this thread. Like seriously?
 
Majukun

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Korey said:
How exactly can a country's military lose?
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by trying their hardest not to shot civilians while they go on the street apparently supporting the "overthroned" leader,at least it seems that way from here,but let's wait the reports

also,it seems like it wasn't the entire military anyway
 
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Catatafish

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TheLostBigBoss

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it is kinda strange that a coup would take place without the head of state in a position to be taken prisoner

I mentioned it at the start that he was "on vacation".

I thought that he had a heads up and bolted out of town...

it's a long shot that this was some type of power play, but he was already going to remove a good portion of the heads of military, wouldn't make sense to do something like this.
 
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DirtyManos

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What a weird ass coup.

Is the picture any clearer on exactly which part/size of the military was running the coup?

It was obviously not the whole thing, so why was the rest of it just letting them go along with it?
 
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orochi91

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Frustrated_me said:
Pro-government chants:

"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"

..Truly fucked Turkey is.
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I mean, if I was on the winning side, I'd be chanting that too, lol
 
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oti

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If this was a play by Erdogan (an idea I'm not really supporting) he just lost all chances for an EU membership within the next couple of decades and crashed the tourism industry for the foreseeable future.
 
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hydragonwarrior

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clemenx said:
Wow so this is the worst case scenario now? A Failed coup?

Back in 2002 in Venezuela the exact thing happened. There was a failed coup and Chavez then purged all of the military and filled it with yes men and corrupt thugs, giving him free reigns in becoming the dictatorship and failed state that Venezuela is today.

There are stories about how Chavez was tied up and all but no one pulled the trigger on him. Pretty much everyone here now regrets that he wasn't killed right there. Hope Turkey has a better future than what we had.
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A Chavez like rise would be pretty terrifying in this day and age.
 
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Chris R

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TheLostBigBoss said:
it is kinda strange that a coup would take place without the head of state in a position to be taken prisoner

I mentioned it at the start that he was "on vacation".

I thought that he had a heads up and bolted out of town...

it's a long shot that this was some type of power play, but he was already going to remove a good portion of the heads of military, wouldn't make sense to do something like this.
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Maybe Erdogan is secretly behind all of this and it was just a move to ensure he gets complete control in the coming weeks :p
 
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Arnie7

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I just find it really funny how all these politicians (including Obama) and countries coming out to support "democratically elected" Erdogan.

Wasn't Assad and Syria also democratically elected? Did't they back hardline extremists (many of whom are ISIS connections) and give them weapons?
 
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jm89

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Frustrated_me said:
Pro-government chants:

"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"
"ALLAH BISMIALLAH ALLAHU AHKBER!!!!"

..Truly fucked Turkey is.
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They must be fundamentalist extremist terrorist.
 
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Mr.Sumal

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damisa said:
No you are a joke because you are a Erdogan supporter. It's one thing to be against both the coup and Erdogan, but you support Erdogan. Nobody should be supporting him, he's awful
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well the council of mayhem is even worse

I'll never support a junta that will kill people all in a name for democracry
 
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Deleted member 231381

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I don't really get how getting rid of Erdogan brings about democracy. Like, he is very popular. He has widespread support. If you oust him, and he were to run in a free and fair election you held later, he would win. So the only not-Erdogan future you have is the one where you ban Erdogan, and probably Islamist parties in general (like in 1997, and 1980, and 1971 and so on - you notice how often this has to be done?). Given that these parties have widespread support... that seems pretty undemocratic? Like, no, Erdogan is obviously not an ideal-type democrat, but that's never on the table here.

If you're actually arguing for secularism rather than democracy, sure, fine; but I'm not at all convinced that supporting a military coup is the democratic option here.
 
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TheLostBigBoss

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Arnie7 said:
I just find it really funny how all these politicians (including Obama) and countries coming out to support "democratically elected" Erdogan.

Wasn't Assad and Syria also democratically elected? Didd't they back hardline extremists and give them weapons?
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Turkey is a NATO member

it's extremely different
 
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Famassu

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ksharp said:
Sure. That's why people have followed Erdogan's call and gone on the streets to oppose the Army. If Erdogan was so unpopular, he would have been quashed tonight. A few hours in, this coup is nearing its end, it appears.
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He's not unpopular, but Turkey isn't exactly a small country. He could have (tens of) millions of legitimate supporters and that could still only be 30%-40% of the country, which is enough to make his claim to power and the last scam of an election seem legitimate, even if, say, a 60% majority are actually more or less against him
 
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Kralamoonard

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Trying to visit the website that says the elections are rigged on the wiki website (legit never knew about this until now), but link isn't working?

Quite shocking if true. Not really democratic if rigged lol
 
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Brazil

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What a night for Turkey, holy shit. I went to the gym, and when I got out the whole thing had already done a 180º.
 
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Ziltoidia 9

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Arnie7 said:
I just find it really funny how all these politicians (including Obama) and countries coming out to support "democratically elected" Erdogan.

Wasn't Assad and Syria also democratically elected? Did't they back hardline extremists (many of whom are ISIS connections) and give them weapons?
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Syria isnt a member of NATO.
 
Sub_Level

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DirtyManos said:
What a weird ass coup.

Is the picture any clearer on exactly which part/size of the military was running the coup?

It was obviously not the whole thing, so why was the rest of it just letting them go along with it?
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To draw the detractors out maybe.
 
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Markoman

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Royal_Phalanx said:
Could you see Erdogan doing an Enabling Act esque move in Parliament after this, continuing the Weimar Republic theme?
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No, not directly. But there will be more terrorist attacks against Turkey and he will do that step by step. From the moment I've heard that the West was giving weapons to the Kurds to fight ISIS, I knew we're up for a big shit pie. Remember Afghanistan...
 
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Ragnar Blackmane

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oti xero said:
If this was a play by Erdogan (an idea I'm not really supporting) he just lost all chances for an EU membership within the next couple of decades and crashed the tourism industry for the foreseeable future.
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He won't care. As long as he ends up in the same position as Putin, as undisputed ruler of the country for life, he won't give three shits how the west reacts or how much his people have to suffer. Especially knowing that the west will be even more hamstrung in their reactions than when they punished Russia, considering that Turkey is a NATO member and "valuable partner".
 
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SolarPowered

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There are signs the coup has failed? Those people saying that this is a wrong course of action are going to regret what they said when Erdogan comes back and tears the country and military to shreds
trembli0s said:
This is exactly what's going to happen, except you have the added bonus of funneling terrorists across the Turkish border as they increasingly become an Islamic theocracy.

Obama needs to make plans to move the nukes out of Turkey tonight and have them gone by next week.
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Oh FUCK

Turkish armed forces need to seal the deal already. Turkey is about to become truly fundamentalist.
 
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ezrarh

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oti xero said:
If this was a play by Erdogan (an idea I'm not really supporting) he just lost all chances for an EU membership within the next couple of decades and crashed the tourism industry for the foreseeable future.
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The thing with dictators is that they don't care if they screw the overall well-being and wealth of a country to stay in power. It's always the regular people that get screwed.
 
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MUnited83

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Mr.Sumal said:
albeit the right one

beat him in elections instead of causing mayhem
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Well, they might as well summon a Gyarados and ride on a Ice Golem Lizard towards Valhalla, because that's as viable as doing as you just said, because Turkey ISN'T DEMOCRATIC and the elections are fixed.
 
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His Majesty

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Arnie7 said:
I just find it really funny how all these politicians (including Obama) and countries coming out to support "democratically elected" Erdogan.

Wasn't Assad and Syria also democratically elected? Did't they back hardline extremists (many of whom are ISIS connections) and give them weapons?
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Assad got elected with 98% of the vote. No opponents were allowed to run.

Technically it was an election, yes. But I think calling it democratically would be stretching its definition a bit too much.

Which doesn't take away from the fact that the reactions USA and EU are mostly driven by opportunism rather than ideology.
 
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