Frustrated_me
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Holy shit at the explosion that just occurred.
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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Opinions on coup aside, not thinking Erdogan is a fascist autocrat is pretty hysterical.
Last elections his party got 49.5% of the vote, so yes you're technically right that it's plurality. It hardly matters as he is the most popular politician in Turkey by far.
I don't support him at all by the way, I think he is a disaster. But he is a popular disaster. His power comes from the people against the elites. That's why a coup against him is hopeless.
Very unlikely. The dude will just crack down harder on dissenters within the miltary.
Kralamoonard
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Can someone please inform on the electoral fraud? The wiki link wasn't working on mobile? Any other reliable sources ?
SilentRacoon
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Surely they can freely criticize him and his government for bending the constitution as he sees fit, for rigging the same elections that got him elected president of the country, for imprisoning journalists for speaking their minds against the same issues...
He's still a Turkish nationalist. Much like how Bush was a Christian fundie but also deeply nationalistic. Erdogan represents a blending a Turkishness and Islamism.
You are truley clueless, aren't you. In short: being a muslim does not automatically mean that you love every muslim out there. Quite the opposite. Turks and Kurds hate each other just like Sunnis and Shiites. Same goes for christians. Ever heard of the 30 years war?
TheLostBigBoss
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good luck to anyone remotely concerned about Erdogan, you're in for a world of shit
Ragnar Blackmane
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Well, fuck, it's over then. This'll be 1933 onwards all over again, only without genocide (I hope).
I'm surprised by this honestly apparently its dense to not support a movement that has no regards for the civilian population
I really hope the hold outs surrender
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Don't forget the gem that happened after Germany recognized the Armenian genocide!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36433114
Yup. If these army guys thought it was bad before, he's got a whole new level of bad for them to witness.
None of what you said contradicts what I said. He is acting as a dictator, yes. But he is popular and enjoys the support of the people. There is no contradiction between these two things.
Frustrated_me
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"The CNN Turk studio is being taken over by soldiers. This has just been confirmed on CNN Turk by the current anchorwoman. /u/6559"
It's over guys... Right.
It's over guys... Right.
Four_Chamber
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Typical Western liberalism in this thread
Country elects democratic leader. Democratically elected leader isn't to the liking of some. People suggest leader gets overthrown in an undemocratic fashion.
You can't pick and choose when you want democracy. You have to deal with the fact that not every election result will be to your liking.
I'm not a huge Erdogan fan but military coups are an attack on democracy more than anything Erdogan has done.
Country elects democratic leader. Democratically elected leader isn't to the liking of some. People suggest leader gets overthrown in an undemocratic fashion.
You can't pick and choose when you want democracy. You have to deal with the fact that not every election result will be to your liking.
I'm not a huge Erdogan fan but military coups are an attack on democracy more than anything Erdogan has done.
victreeb3l
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Theyre muslims in a muslim country. Muslims say that as often as people say hello. They just prevented a coup from removing a government they support. Theyre celebrating. I dont understand what you expected.
Omega Kirby
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Failed coup. Many military people are fucked now
Royal_Phalanx
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Dictators can very well be popular you know. Look at Mussolini before Italy entered the war. The people used to be on his side when he was winning.
The crescent moon has smiled on Turkey tonight. Our Supreme Caliph Erdogan will finally be able to usher in a new Golden Age for Neo-Ottoman Wahhabist Salafist Islam. All according to keikaku.
Pro-government or pro-coup?
Kralamoonard
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Well if I had a clue I wouldn't be asking lol.
And obviously I know as a Muslim there's a crap tonne of division in communities. I know that first and foremost, just wasn't familiar with the Kurds situation which seems to be based more on nationalist pride than anything from what you and the user told me.
I don't deny I don't know much about the two groups hence why I was asking
Turkish people don't speak arabic. They aren't like your regular muslims. This is not normal Turkish behavior.
TheLostBigBoss
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plot twist, coup controllers have tricked heads of state thinking they lost control and didn't have proper support, leading them into a trap!
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Secularists don't support the government, so they aren't shouting that. You know what secularism means right? Don't put all Turks in the same basket.
maniac-kun
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His Majesty
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I agree that military coups are an attack on democracy. But considering all Erdogan's transgressions against democracy, the question you can ask is whether the coup was justified.
NyMartin90
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Any news on Erdogan since he landed in IST
yeah, there doesnt seem to be any clarity on the situation outside of istanbul
No Clue
...Truly fucked your ignorance is.
wesleyshark
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That's gotta suck... to try and overthrow a government via coup only to realize that you don't have the support of the people
How much of their economy is dependant on tourism? Becoming to much of an Islamic theocracy could seriously hurt that.
JohnTinker
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Rogue soldiers detained at presidential palace in Ankara, presidency claims
MMaRsu
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Isnt the problem people have with him is that he's been fixing elections?
Ragnar Blackmane
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It seems to be over in Istanbul... where Erdogan is right now. The coup forces still seem to be fighting/holding out in Ankara, though I seriously doubt that'll matter much now.
BronsonLee
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Man, I have a strong feeling we're not done with this at all
If this coup has actually failed...then no, it wasn't worth it.
Erdogan is gonna be out for blood should he resume power.
TheLostBigBoss
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If the coup shut down CNN Turk then they are like three hours too late
They needed to shut down the internet and mass media four hours ago
They needed to shut down the internet and mass media four hours ago
like i said. that pilot needs to be investigated further.
Doesn't sound like an M61A1 at all. I think it's more likely an attack helicopter.
But I can be wrong.
Frustrated_me
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Turkish Armed Forces website reports that they have complete control over the country.
- http://www.tsk.tr/BasinFaaliyetleri/BA_188
- http://www.tsk.tr/BasinFaaliyetleri/BA_188
Speaking of Erdogan being "democratically elected"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...urkey-amid-arrests-and-military-a6938266.html
"In a speech to local politicians in Ankara, he criticised critics raising concern over Turkey’s record on “democracy, freedom and rule of law” as discussions over a landmark deal on the refugee crisis continue.
Turkish riot police use water cannon and tear gas to disperse supporters at Zaman daily newspaper headquarters
“For us, these phrases have absolutely no value any longer,” he said in the televised address, according to a translation by DPA."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-hitlers-germany-example-effective-government
"Asked on his return from a visit to Saudi Arabia whether an executive presidential system was possible while maintaining the unitary structure of the state, he said: “There are already examples in the world. You can see it when you look at Hitler’s Germany."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...urkey-amid-arrests-and-military-a6938266.html
"In a speech to local politicians in Ankara, he criticised critics raising concern over Turkey’s record on “democracy, freedom and rule of law” as discussions over a landmark deal on the refugee crisis continue.
Turkish riot police use water cannon and tear gas to disperse supporters at Zaman daily newspaper headquarters
“For us, these phrases have absolutely no value any longer,” he said in the televised address, according to a translation by DPA."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-hitlers-germany-example-effective-government
"Asked on his return from a visit to Saudi Arabia whether an executive presidential system was possible while maintaining the unitary structure of the state, he said: “There are already examples in the world. You can see it when you look at Hitler’s Germany."
Rogue soldiers detained at presidential palace in Ankara, presidency claims
Could be prerecorded propaganda, if it comes from the presidency.
He will probably just kill them all and considering he controls the news, no one will know.
MMaRsu
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Ah so you are also a big fan of a dictator who cheats elections, controls the free press, throws his opposition in jail?
Who is the ignorant one here?
Fuck man my ignore list is gonna be long once I get to a pc with these Erdogan defenders.
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