Name me one solidly Islamist state that protects minority rights and doesn't treat women or gays like dirt.
I'll wait.
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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Name me one solidly Islamist state that protects minority rights and doesn't treat women or gays like dirt.
I'll wait.
eyeball_kid
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I won't dive into the 2nd Amendment debate here, but military coups are a part of Turkish history. The Turkish military sees itself as a defender of secularism of a separation of religion and state. Up until recently this was part of Turkey's law, but Erdogan has been able to reduce the military's power.
You can argue that requiring a military coup to keep a government on the straight and narrow path is a bad idea, but it's the only check and balance they've really had against autocratic power. The problem in Turkey, like many countries, is that they don't have the strong system of legal checks and balances that the USA has. It's much much harder to change our Constitution, for instance.
TheRealTalker
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not really talking about election but any chance of a uprising
apparently also the main branches of the military were not in on this so it later become military infighting as well
orthodoxy1095
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You can play a ridiculous definition game if you want, but it's pretty clear what kind of camp Erdogan fits into.
All one needs to do is look at his very authoritarian rule and how he deals with freedom and minorities.
//DEVIL//
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The whole country is based on islamic rules . That is true and that is applied the same for all arabic countries btw aside from lebanon because in lebanon the president is not muslim and the whole country is a multi relgion.
If a country is Islamic country by nature , they follow the Quran sayings in the law ( example if someone kill someone on purpose then he should be killed by sword or whatever ) .
Thats their religions. Their believes . If we dont agree with doesnt mean i should go and insult them for following what they believe in.
Catatafish
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If the army opens fire on civilian population,why would the police just sit back and watch without protecting their own people.
Please provide solid evidence that police has killed protesters in Turkey. If so, also provide evidence that police personal were not prosecuted for the killing of unarmed civilians.
What?
Are you seriously arguing the numerous moves he's made to ending the secular state doesn't constitute being an Islamist?
Ragnar Blackmane
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You forgot denying historically proven genocides and harassing the members of government of other countries that do not do the same.
Aaaaand starting a war to get re-relected.
Reports from Taksim Square were pretty clear that the fighting between the Police and Military suddenly broke out after a face off between police and military rather than the police simply reacting to military shooting civilians. The thread moves very quickly, the posts and reports should be around the 1.30-2.00 am mark.
Stop twisting my words please. I said that the Police probably provoked the army to act in self defense and civilians dying in the crossfire. Also... don't you think that it's just a bit too soon for anyone to get prosecuted for anything that has happened tonight?
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The what?
orthodoxy1095
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Bu-bu-but he was democratically elected.
Yeah, we could come up with a long list of things he's promoted that are pretty clearly "wrong."
Enjoy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gezi_Park_protests
-Selim Önder, an 88-year-old musician, was exposed to excessive amounts of tear gas on 31 May while trying to buy souvenirs and died a few days afterwards.[47]
-Abdullah Cömert, 22-year-old youth branch member of the Republican People's Party (CHP) in Antakya, received a head injury in Hatay and later died in hospital.[48][49] Initial reports described a wound from gunfire, but an autopsy ascribed his death to an injury from an exploding tear gas canister.
-Ethem Sarısülük, a 26-year-old human rights activist who worked at OSTIM, died on 2 June; he was reported dead 11 days after he was shot in the head in Ankara by Ahmet Şahbaz, a police officer.
-İrfan Tuna died in Ankara on 6 June from a heart attack that resulted from overexposure to tear gas
-Ali İsmail Korkmaz, a 19-year-old student from Antakya, studying in Anadolu Üniversitesi (Anadolu University) in Eskişehir suffered a severe brain injury on 2 June after being attacked by a group that eyewitnesses allege included undercover police. He was confirmed dead in early July. In his autopsy report on 10 July, the cause of death was stated as cerebral hemorrhage caused by violent blows onto his head during the attack.[61] The camera records showing the people attacking Ali İsmail Korkmaz was found in a local hotel, police took the records and shortly after it was told by the court that the videos were irreversibly damaged.[62] although the hotel owner denied this.[63][64][64] Later, the "irreversibly damaged" video was uploaded to the internet but according to legal experts it had a cut of 18 to 20 minutes.[65] The prosecutor responsible for the case was changed in the middle of the proceedings after sending the hard disk to the Forensic Medicine Association to clarify whether the camera recordings were deleted by officials.[66][67] The reason was reported as the judiciary holiday until 1 September by officials.[68][69] As the investigation continued, the governor of Eskişehir, Güngor Azim Tuna alleged that "mostly civilians were responsible for the death rather than our police".[70][71] Soon after, new video recordings of the street during the event were found and it was cleared that 4 polices and 4 civilians besides them are responsible for the death.[72] 5 people including the responsible civilians and a police officer were arrested.[73] The case still continues for these 8 people.[73] Korkmaz's family also applied to the court for an investigation on the Doctor Hasan Gücel who didn't treat Ali without a document from the police at first and sent him home with a painkiller while he was having a brain hemorrhage,[74] stating that he is as responsible as others for the murder.[75] Although, the governor of Eskişehir, Güngor Azim Tuna, didn't give investigation permission on the doctor. The family decided to apply to the higher courts.[75]
-Ahmet Atakan, a 22-year-old protester taking part in a demonstration in a left-wing stronghold of the Armutlu neighborhood in Antakya, demonstrating solidarity with protests against the illegal road construction through Middle Eastern Technical University's old forest, died from heavy cerebral damage caused by a tear gas canister fired by police at around 2 a.m. on 10 September while Ahmet was on a rooftop. Mevlüt Dudu, a Member of Parliament of Republican People's Party from Hatay confirmed the death first on Halk TV even though he was still alive at that moment. Soon after, hospital officials confirmed the death.[7][76] The teargas canisters with bloodmarks were found around his death place and the investigation still continues as eyewitnesses and a big margin of the Turkish people defends that his death reason was the canister that shot him on the rooftop, AKP supporters and officials defend he simply fell down from the rooftop whilst he was trying to throw a solar panel on the riot police vehicle.[7][77] Special investigators hired by Ahmet's family found the bloody tear gas canister on 13 September, near the area in a sewage and this was interpreted as an attempt to get rid of the evidences by responsibles. MP of Republican People's Party from Hatay, Refik Eryılmaz has accompanied the family and investigators while they gave the evidences (the canister and a second amateur video), to the Chief Prosecutor's.[78][79][80] During the investigation process, lots of wide sit-ins and protests to provide "justice in the case and on evidences" and to put officials under pressure, giving them no way to get the death covered up with any scenarios, were held and are still being held across Turkey.[78] While the final news mostly proved that the death caused by the police's shot, the official forensic investigation and case is still going on for and to clarify the situation and also look for any responsibles.
-Serdar Kadakal, a 35-year-old tonmeister at a Jazz & Blues Bar in Kadıköy, Istanbul, also living in the district, lost his life on the evening of 13 September 2013 because of a heart attack triggered by extreme inhalation of OC spray and teargas during re-ignited protests of early-September in Turkey in the district of Kadıköy, a district where the mass protests and police brutality took place in Istanbul besides Taksim. There are some opposite allegations about the cause of his death being made by police, too. The autopsy report is still being processed.[81][82][83]
-Berkin Elvan, a 14-year-old boy was hit in the head by a tear-gas canister during the evening protests at Okmeydanı, on 15 June 2013, sustaining severe head injuries.[84][85] After 267 days in coma, Berkin decreased to 16 kilos and got in critical condition, then he was taken to the intensive care unit. That evening Turkish President Abdullah Gül called the family for "good wishes" and to ask "if there is something they can do", this call was criticised a lot as the boy was shot by government's police force and was in coma for 267 days. Two and a half days after these, the 15-year-old boy's heart stopped around 07:00 AM and was in that condition for 20 minutes, doctors managed to rework his heart but the time without bloodflow was too much, so his brain died and his brain death, then soon after his death was reported by the doctors and the family with "deep sadness, weeping and anger against those who did this and didn't care and help at all, throughout 269 days in Berkin's coma. Lots of commemoration marches and huge protests were organized around Turkey and is going to take place during this day(11 March, Berkin's Death) and upcoming weeks, until elections. All these; voice tapes of Erdoğan, his family and his friends showing corruption and bribery, AKP's cold conflict with Gülen movement and lately. Berkin's death, the latest victim of Occupy Gezi protests, are expected to affect ruling AK Party's votes in a bad way.
On 31 July, thousands gathered in Taksim Square to support Berkin Elvan and his family and to tell the government to find the responsible of Berkin's injury, while it was planned that the father Sami Elvan was going to make a press statement.[86] Police attacked the protesters and cleared the square, blocking the entries.[87] Some were injured and some were arrested.[88] Then the family made the short statement inside the crowd before the police interference again. Soon after, police interfered again, preventing the family from freely speaking as the crowd got bigger into the İstiklal Avenue. These was criticised as against to the freedom of speech.[89] Member of Parliament from Republican People's Party and also the party's assistant director Sezgin Tanrıkulu was also seen talking to the police to stop the attack but he was manhandled by the police too.[90] During the interference in İstiklal Avenue and Mis Street a police was seen pointing his gun at the protesers.[90] As the protests continued through the night news of lots of injuries and arrests by the riot police have arrived.[88] Turkish media was silent to the protests and demands except the channels like Halk TV, Ulusal Kanal, Cem TV, etc., while the foreign media channels like CNN International, BBC and Reuters put on coverages and at least articles.[89]
Just ignore him. He's a deluded Erdogan fanboy who has ignored every challenge to his arguments and keeps using the deaths of people during these events as a way to justify his stance.
TheLostBigBoss
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Negrodamus
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Just ignore him, seriously.
koji kabuto
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**WARNING NSFL**
Insane video of a tank running over car/people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hplR_G9bxu0
Insane video of a tank running over car/people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hplR_G9bxu0
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
He's has been supporting Erdogan in this thread for hours.
TheRealTalker
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the coup called themselves the council of peace
victreeb3l
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Again criticizing the coup doesnt mean they are also pro erdogan or Islamist. I think we can all agree he is a piece of shit.
I would love for Turkey to become a secular state. But I can also voice my displeasure towards the army for some of the fucked up things they did today.
//DEVIL//
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Let me make it worse for you. Gay people in islam get killed by throwing stones at them. Does that make you feel better ?
If you or i don't agree with it and think these muslims people are wrong in this. I will just simply dont fucking go there and i dont want them in my country if they are not going to fucking respect my country. But i dont go to them and say you are a shit bag and you are wrong and we should get rid of you muslim people because we dont agree
EnlightenedMint
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You should probably be honest with yourself and admit you are into conspiracy theories.
This is like the third time you talked about it and now you are getting random info from reddit which always turns accurate.
andythinkpad
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2016 is going to hell in a hand basket. We are only in july.
I hope the coup goes the Egypt way.
I hope the coup goes the Egypt way.
Frustrated_me
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I still can't believe there are people in here who support Erdogan. Either they're clueless as to what is really going on in Turkey or an Islamist who simply doesn't care as long as religion overshadows secularism.
Incredibly sad day for Turkey.
Incredibly sad day for Turkey.
orthodoxy1095
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If your belief is the oppression of minorities and the stripping of basic human rights, you're damn right I'm going to insult your beliefs.
EDIT: This also ignores the fact that the modern Turkish state was founded on ideas of secularism. Not Islamism. FFS.
Well, that's that.
What a shocking turn of events; the coup seemed successful initially, but then the citizens stepped in. That was brave of them, as I'd be cowering in my home if a coup was going down nearby.
It's amazing how quickly islamists forget that Turkey was founded as a secular country. That was the entire point...
Are you fucking kidding me. There are gay people in Turkey, correct? Should they all be forced to leave Turkey so that you can have your fake Islamic state?
You know, there are laws for things like that.
Also they aren't fucking Arabic. Lol
Chinese Cartoons
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Are you Muslim and or Turkish with a slight possibility of living in a European country?
Lord Morairty007
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The Arab Spring was a failure and violent.
Catatafish
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People injured via Water cannons and tear gas shells,Are you serious right now? Police in the US uses more force than that on a homeless guy just because he is of a "different color".
Already Torn
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Sounds like you have the stuf to make it as a dictator!
wow dude
Gabriel_Logan
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Looks like it's over. That was the craziest thing I've ever seen live.
AcademicSaucer
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You missed the Ecuador attempted coup ? that was wild too.
I guess you glanced over the guy who was shot in the head by a police officer?
SilentRacoon
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Stop wasting your time, he hasn't bothered answering were his political views stand or hell even if he is Turkish at all.
When their beliefs end up in the killing of innocent people, it should be condemned and looked down by the rest of the world, period.
Yea, that type of revolution isn't something to aspire towards, IMO.
Lmao
Royal_Phalanx
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That shithead Erdogan is still here. I had high hopes that it would end quickly after the initial takeovers. Not well planned enough to shut down all state media, sadly. It's unfortunate that people died, though they all have views I consider terrible. Turkey should never join the EU ever.
Before I go to bed, I gotta say that the events that took place tonight really leave a sour taste in my mouth. I was not cheering at the coup as you can see from my first posts.
I think this will create an even deeper trench between the already right-winged European sentiments and the Islamic word. We have like 1.5 million Turks in Germany - and many of them support Erdogan. How do you deal with people living in your country for so many years supporting values of the homeland that absolutely don't work with their new home?
This is some scizophrenic double agent bs imo.
I just can't wrap my head around this. This isn't even the usual Islamophopbia, because it has nothing to do with religion in the first place. The 3 generations of Turks in Germany have never even lived under Erdogan's regime. What makes them go to public German places to show their allegiance and national pride? Shit is getting crazier as days go by...
I think this will create an even deeper trench between the already right-winged European sentiments and the Islamic word. We have like 1.5 million Turks in Germany - and many of them support Erdogan. How do you deal with people living in your country for so many years supporting values of the homeland that absolutely don't work with their new home?
This is some scizophrenic double agent bs imo.
I just can't wrap my head around this. This isn't even the usual Islamophopbia, because it has nothing to do with religion in the first place. The 3 generations of Turks in Germany have never even lived under Erdogan's regime. What makes them go to public German places to show their allegiance and national pride? Shit is getting crazier as days go by...
Negrodamus
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What in the absolute fuck? Are you really trying to argue that we as people should just ignore the active abuse of other humans because of their sexuality, race, or choice of religion because it's not respectful in calling them out? I don't support people promoting hate and trying to rid another people because of certain acts of others, but I haven't seen that either, and certainly not in this thread. Simply avoiding that country or whatever you were advocating isn't enough. We should absolutely tell these people they're wrong if they're stoning someone for being gay or speaking out against their governments.
//DEVIL//
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Assuming we are still talking in general and nothing personal here. Let me ask you this. Who the hell are you to insult the beliefs of others ? . If you act like that dont get mad when those people do the same to you and want to get rid of you for your beliefs because suprise surprise. They also think yours wrong.
Also you said minorty ? All this turkish people who are civlians with no guns stopped a coup are minorty ? Lol
Pancake Mix
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He posted in the Canadian politics thread...yikes.
Except for Tunisia.
You Are Viewtiful
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If there's anything worse than a military coup, it's a failed military coup. Dark days ahead for Turkey and the Middle East.
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