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For people who were concerned about Erdogan's threat to democracy, a failed coup is the worst possible event.

 

[Liberty4all]

Really sad for the patriots in the military that tried to save their country.

 

[Kenshin001]

Don't really care for Erdogan but a coup is the wrong way to remove a democratically elected leader. It is a step backwards for the country and sets a poor example for the region.

 

[Acorn]

Assuming we are still talking in general and nothing personal here. Let me ask you this. Who the hell are you to insult the beliefs of others ? . If you act like that dont get mad when those people do the same to you and want to get rid of you for your beliefs because suprise surprise. They also think yours wrong.

Also you said minorty ? All this turkish people who are civlians with no guns stopped a coup are minorty ? Lol

Hateful fucking views don't deserve respect. You're a horrible person.

 

[Ashes]

You can play a ridiculous definition game if you want, but it's pretty clear what kind of camp Erdogan fits into.

All one needs to do is look at his very authoritarian rule and how he deals with freedom and minorities.

Identity politics is pretty much what is at play here.
You can throw around as many pejoratives as you want if that helps your case. But I don't think it does.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Ya I'm leaning more toward the conspiracy nuts on this one :lol

ummm.... what the?

 

[orochi91]

Let me make it worse for you. Gay people in islam get killed by throwing stones at them. Does that make you feel better ?

If you or i don't agree with it and think these muslims people are wrong in this. I will just simply dont fucking go there and i dont want them in my country if they are not going to fucking respect my country. But i dont go to them and say you are a shit bag and you are wrong and we should get rid of you muslim people because we dont agree

This is an extremely upsetting mindset.

When human life and dignity is threatened, then yea, the perpetrators need to be called out/criticized and etc.

The people you're trying to defend in your scenario are extremists and radicals; there's zero reason to defend them.

 

[Starfield]

Everyone knows where I stand

not with the council of mayhem

You need to wake up!

 

[EnlightenedMint]

MSNBC is reporting 42 dead in Ankara, RIP.

 

[Ragnar Blackmane]

If the coup forces had at least managed to get their hands on Erdogan then the whole thing would have had at least one positive outcome.

Sad how things are turning out.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

Turkey is fucked. This was the last chance to get rid of Erdogan. The EU should tell Turkey to just fuck off. All liberal Turks should just emigrate for a better future.

 

[Lord Morairty007]

Except for Tunisia.

Yes your correct but it was violent nonetheless.(But most revolutions are never peaceful)

 

[Cocaloch]

Don't really care for Erdogan but a coup is the wrong way to remove a democratically elected leader. It is a step backwards for the country and sets a poor example for the region.

You live in a country whose mondern incarnation was the result of a military coup in the relatively recent past.

 

[marrec]

ummm.... what the?

Seems like a quick turnaround for the government doesn't it?

Hmmmmm

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Assuming we are still talking in general and nothing personal here. Let me ask you this. Who the hell are you to insult the beliefs of others ? . If you act like that dont get mad when those people do the same to you and want to get rid of you for your beliefs because suprise surprise. They also think yours wrong.

Also you said minorty ? All this turkish people who are civlians with no guns stopped a coup are minorty ? Lol

What in the bloody hell are you talking about?

Who am I? I guess I'm a person with a decent sense of the value of human life and liberty, whereas you're a terrible person with no regard for either.

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say about minorities since you write completely incoherently. But the Turkish people who stopped the coup are obviously at least in large part of the tyranny of the majority.

Are you denying the oppression of women, LGBT, religious and ethnic minorities in Turkey? If so, GTFO.

 

[qazqaNii]

Thank god for this thread, made me use the ignore user option for the first time.

Thank god this coup seems to have failed, not 100% certain tho, hopefully the curfew thingy will be made clear, if it really exists at 6am or not.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

So let's guess what group of people will be Erdogan's first scapegoat to direct the people towards? Kurds? Christians?

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

This is easily one of the worst coups ever attempted

1) Fail to secure the head of state or kill head of state

1.5) Block bridges and roads when the head of state isn't even in the city you're occupying

2) Fail to disrupt national communications, let head of state announce he is alive and a coup is underway

3) Had at least some portion of the air force under coup control, yet fail to prevent the head of state from landing in the countries major airport

4) Bomb parliament because reasons

5) Shoot civilians from F16's because reasons

6) Try and take down private news agencies hours after the initial stages of the coup

None of this makes sense.

If this was such a small section of the military, where was the blue on blue fighting? Why have there been zero reports of government controlled military taking down the coup controlled aircrafts that were shooting at government police forces and civilians?

Why did they send such small forces to important media installations, only to instantly lose control and let them go back on air? Why not destroy the stations capability to broadcast if it was so important.

I don't want to subscribe to conspiracy theories, but if you're staging a coup how do you fuck up the two most important things, killing or taking the head of state prisoner and preventing state media from alerting the nation that a coup is underway?

 

[PopeReal]

If the coup forces had at least managed to get their hands on Erdogan then the whole thing would have had at least one positive outcome.

Sad how things are turning out.

I am confused by all of this. Why stage a coup when he isn't even there?

 

[//DEVIL//]

You know, there are laws for things like that.

Yes and thats what i am trying to say. Their laws in most arabic countries are mostly always around the quran book

wow dude

I know. Its shit

What in the absolute fuck? Are you really trying to argue that we as people should just ignore the active abuse of other humans because of their sexuality, race, or choice of religion because it's not respectful in calling them out? I don't support people promoting hate and trying to rid another people because of certain acts of others, but I haven't seen that either, and certainly not in this thread. Simply avoiding that country or whatever you were advocating isn't enough. We should absolutely tell these people they're wrong if they're stoning someone for being gay or speaking out against their governments.

You say it as if i am turkish muslim guy and i am stopping you from talking. By all means go ahead . But watch it going in circles because nothing good will come from that .

 

[Ragnar Blackmane]

Except for Tunisia.

Too bad that tourists are more afraid of going there than going to France, Tunesia deserves to survive.

 

[TheRealTalker]

Ya I'm leaning more toward the conspiracy nuts on this one :lol

you know Turkish Airlines does daily flights to Mogadishu

and even after the recent terror attacks they resumed flights again

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

You live in a country whose mondern incarnation was the result of a military coup in the relatively recent past.

A country where coups to remove overly unconstitutional governments is literally built into the constitution is an order for the armed forces.

 

[Haines]

Some people saying this was a fake but I think that's just people not wanting to believe it would fail

I don't think you just overtake a government in the year 2016 BC you decide to and win with no push back

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Identity politics is pretty much what is at play here.
You can throw around as many pejoratives as you want if that helps your case. But I don't think it does.

Islamist is a descriptor.

It's only functionally a pejorative because of the ideology it espouses.

 

[Philippo]

So, the coup turned out as a failure, which will give Erdogan more excuses to modify the constitution to his liking and become even more an absolute leader?

Ffs, i'm glad my mother left the country 2 years ago, but this is still shocking.

 

[koji kabuto]

Prosecutor's office says 42 dead, mostly civilians in Ankara.

 

[sflufan]

This is easily one of the worst coups ever attempted

1) Fail to secure the head of state or kill head of state

2) Fail to disrupt national communications, let head of state announce he is alive and a coup is underway

3) Had at least some portion of the air force under coup control, yet fail to prevent the head of state from landing in the countries major airport

4) Bomb parliament because reasons

5) Shoot civilians from F16's because reasons

6) Try and take down private news agencies hours after the initial stages of the coup

7) Airlines are online less than 12 hours after a major coup has been attempted

None of this makes sense.

If this was such a small section of the military, where was the blue on blue fighting? Why have there been zero reports of government controlled military taking down the coup controlled aircrafts that were shooting at government police forces and civilians?

Why did they send such small forces to important media installations, only to instantly lose control and let them go back on air? Why not destroy the stations capability to broadcast if it was so important.

I don't want to subscribe to conspiracy theories, but if you're staging a coup how do you fuck up the two most important things, killing or taking the head of state prisoner and preventing state media from alerting the nation that a coup is underway?

This is right down there witn the 1991 Soviet coup and 2002 Venezuelan coup as textbook examples of how not to coup!

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Except for Tunisia.

Morocco and Jordan as well.

 

[Crisium]

So let's guess what group of people will be Erdogan's first scapegoat to direct the people towards? Kurds? Christians?

Gulenists.

https://twitter.com/Stratfor/status/754129043725885442
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_Gülen

 

[orthodoxy1095]

So, the coup turned out as a failure, which will give Erdogan more excuses to modify the constitution to his liking and become even more an absolute leader?

Ffs, i'm glad my mother left the country 2 years ago, but this is still shocking.

100%

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Some people saying this was a fake but I think that's just people not wanting to believe it would fail

I don't think you just overtake a government in the year 2016 BC you decide to and win with no push back

Egypt had two military coups in the last four years

 

[Liberty4all]

This is easily one of the worst coups ever attempted

1) Fail to secure the head of state or kill head of state

2) Fail to disrupt national communications, let head of state announce he is alive and a coup is underway

3) Had at least some portion of the air force under coup control, yet fail to prevent the head of state from landing in the countries major airport

4) Bomb parliament because reasons

5) Shoot civilians from F16's because reasons

6) Try and take down private news agencies hours after the initial stages of the coup

None of this makes sense.

If this was such a small section of the military, where was the blue on blue fighting? Why have there been zero reports of government controlled military taking down the coup controlled aircrafts that were shooting at government police forces and civilians?

Why did they send such small forces to important media installations, only to instantly lose control and let them go back on air? Why not destroy the stations capability to broadcast if it was so important.

I don't want to subscribe to conspiracy theories, but if you're staging a coup how do you fuck up the two most important things, killing or taking the head of state prisoner and preventing state media from alerting the nation that a coup is underway?

It does seem suspicious ...

 

[Cocaloch]

A country where coups to remove overly unconstitutional governments is literally built into the constitution is an order for the armed forces.

That's in the Japanese constitution?

 

[BronsonLee]

you know Turkish Airlines does daily flights to Mogadishu

and even after the recent terror attacks they resumed flights again

Yeah I remember that, and that was REALLY recent

They got back running like the day of the attacks, right?

 

[Ragnar Blackmane]

I am confused by all of this. Why stage a coup when he isn't even there?

Erdogan was about to start a purge of Colonel and Major ranked officers in two weeks time, after having recently done the same with the top brass. The officers opposed to Erdogan had to move fast. And once things are set in stone it is hard to change plans especially if you have to maintain strict secrecy. Also Erdogan was in Turkey, he just wasn't where anyone expected him to be.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

This is right down there witn the 1991 Soviet coup and 2002 Venezuelan coup as textbook examples of how not to coup!

Or the 1920 Kapp Putsch. The citizens also took to the streets ending the coup responding to a call from Friedrich Ebert.

 

[PopeReal]

Erdogan was about to start a purge of Colonel and Major ranked officers in two weeks time, after having recently done the same with the top brass. The officers opposed to Erdogan had to move fast. And once things are set in stone it is hard to change plans especially if you have to maintain strict secrecy. Also Erdogan was in Turkey, he just wasn't where anyone expected him to be.

Thanks. That makes more sense.

 

[Effect]

So is it over or is there still fighting taking place?

 

[MMaRsu]

Yes and thats what i am trying to say. Their laws in most arabic countries are mostly always around the quran book



I know. Its shit


You say it as if i am turkish muslim guy and i am stopping you from talking. By all means go ahead . But watch it going in circles because nothing good will come from that .

Ya really good arguments covering his questions. Where are your answers? You are just talking over it like basic human rights dont mean shit.

 

[dextran]

It does seem suspicious ...

Yep. I'm now switching to #teamfake.

 

[Catatafish]

I guess you glanced over the guy who was shot in the head by a police officer?

Yeah if so, fuck the police officer and I hope he pays for what he did.

Your point still does not stand. They way you portray Turkey is like hell on earth. A place were Erdogan and his thugs silence and kills all opposition, steal public money, and rig all elections.

Turkey is not the place you think it is, no matter how many links you copy and post on the Internet. If it was the way you painted it, then people would be cheering the military and throwing flowers and kisses at them. That's not what the world have witnessed tonight. My respect for the Turkish people is unbelievable for protecting their freedom with just their bare bodies. I am out of this thread. I wish you and your family happy, peaceful days.

 

[Liberty4all]

Yep. I'm now switching to #teamfake.

I'm with you bro on #teamfake

 

[Kenshin001]

You live in a country whose mondern incarnation was the result of a military coup in the relatively recent past.

What? Not sure I understand. I live in a country that has had democratic elections the last 70 years.

 

[Starfield]

Yeah if so, fuck the police officer and I hope he pays for what he did.

Your point still does not stand. They way you portray Turkey is like hell on earth. A place were Erdogan and his thugs silence and kills all opposition, steal public money, and rig all elections.

Turkey is not the place you think it is, no matter how many links you copy and post on the Internet. If it was the way you painted it, then people would be cheering the military and throwing flowers and kisses at them. That's not what the world have witnessed tonight. My respect for the Turkish people is unbelievable for protecting their freedom with just their bare bodies. I am out of this thread. I wish you and your family happy, peaceful days.

They certainly gonna get dem freedom now

 

[marrec]

you know Turkish Airlines does daily flights to Mogadishu

and even after the recent terror attacks they resumed flights again

You'd think an attempted overthrow of the government by military forces from the ground and air would warrant more than just a few hours of halted air traffic.

I'm probably reading too much into it though.

 

[Ashes]

Islamist is a descriptor.

It's only functionally a pejorative because of the ideology it espouses.

My point exactly. Plenty of Islamists during the Arab spring and all.

Further, Erdogan has the popular vote in a country where only 12% want shariah law. It complicates things.

 

[Crisco]

Yeah I mean this was either fake or just really hastily and poorly planned. You have to capture or kill Erdogan, nothing else matters if they failed at that and it seems like they didn't even try. Really weird.

 

[gutter_trash]

What? Not sure I understand. I live in a country that has had democratic elections the last 70 years.

he is talking about 1776

 

[Frustrated_me]

This is easily one of the worst coups ever attempted

1) Fail to secure the head of state or kill head of state

1.5) Block bridges and roads when the head of state isn't even in the city you're occupying

2) Fail to disrupt national communications, let head of state announce he is alive and a coup is underway

3) Had at least some portion of the air force under coup control, yet fail to prevent the head of state from landing in the countries major airport

4) Bomb parliament because reasons

5) Shoot civilians from F16's because reasons

6) Try and take down private news agencies hours after the initial stages of the coup

None of this makes sense.

If this was such a small section of the military, where was the blue on blue fighting? Why have there been zero reports of government controlled military taking down the coup controlled aircrafts that were shooting at government police forces and civilians?

Why did they send such small forces to important media installations, only to instantly lose control and let them go back on air? Why not destroy the stations capability to broadcast if it was so important.

I don't want to subscribe to conspiracy theories, but if you're staging a coup how do you fuck up the two most important things, killing or taking the head of state prisoner and preventing state media from alerting the nation that a coup is underway?

While I need to admit this coup was a disaster watching it unfold tonight.. I gotta also admit it's fishy as fuck.