AcademicSaucer
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conflicting reports about the navy's position on the coup.
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Getting to Erdoğan is not easy, the dude is protected by a small army of 1000+ bodyguards at all time. He is paranoid as fuck, tho seeing todays events he kinda is right in that regard.
i don't think that's so much as a coup as it is clever political maneuverings. the shogunate was the military government that willingly resigned in deference to the emperor.
you shouldn't really insult other people's ability to understand your posts because they're very poorly written and confusing
It was a work brother!
Lord Morairty007
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Would have been a blood bath and start of a civil war.
Not always that easy. Erdogan basically had the Mosques spouting his propaganda since it is in their best interest as he supports giving them more power. On top of that ideologies etc.
J
Jpop
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It sounds amusing but he still lives and dies with Turkey. He grew up there and misses it. His children speak the language.
He loves his life in the USA too though. Don't bring up Pokemon Go, it illegitimatizes the struggle.
gutter_trash
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Thrashinuva
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This is Turkey. They don't have our Bill of Rights. And even if they did have our legal rights, they would be afforded the self evident right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness first and foremost before any amendment.
In other words, not to die by the orders of a dictator.
TheLostBigBoss
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Then they are complacent and Erdogan should execute them all who failed to take action against a state insurrection.
He said late ww2. The only incident close to the end of the war was that.
But thanks I have something to read before bed now.
Coup doesn't have to mean boots in the streets. Large numbers of the military class supported political change with violence as a clear possiblity. It's not like the shogun just decided to put the Emperor in charge because he was bored.
Are we sure that didn't happen?
We don't know how many citizens on the street were either Pro-Erdogan or Pro-Coup.
//DEVIL//
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Then I am of those guys who doesn't believe they will change. Because I think thats in their book and to be a muslim you must believe and do all what is in the book.
Am I wrong ? Maybe. Maybe not. All i know that if i am gay. I will not fly over any of those countries even
Well he's been acting like a religious fanatic and dictator, he should feel fear in a country that prides in its democracy and secularism.
Are they actually?
Kenshin001
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I really have no idea what you are talking about (the Meiji Restoration?) but regardless Japan went from a non democratic government to a democratic one post WW2 and has stayed that way ever since. The time the military did take over the government turned out a disaster.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Nobody wants a coup in Turkey. Doesn't matter what ideology one has, Turks are allergic to coups because of past experiences. When this happened it got denounced by pretty much everybody in the country.
Is this a joke? I can't tell with this thread.
Yeah I was thinking that they might have been present too. I guess losing control of the media was a big problem. I think pro Erdogan were hitting the streets regardless of his FaceTime video call to action.
Lord Morairty007
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Executing them will make them martyrs. Remember not everyone in Turkey is on Erdogan's side.
I really can't deal with your posts anymore but I'll leave you with this tidbit - look at how much societies have either progressed, regressed, or changed in general in the span of 100 years. Change does and will come at some point, it's just a matter of if it's in the right direction. You have to believe that if there are enough strong voices with good intentions speaking out for the right thing, and political leaders able to execute on those voices, that good things happen.
//DEVIL//
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Very late in the morning . English isn't my main language (French Canadian) and I can't see shit but I did read what i typed before and I don't see any confusion about it. Maybe badly written but not wrong or not understandable .
Anyways I am off to bed
You're pretty wrong, especially about Turkey; the existence of secular, liberal, moderate, and even LGBT Muslims, torpedoes your notion of what a Muslim can or can not be.
Frustrated_me
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The best part during ACT 3 was when the mosques synchronously around Turkey called for the people the go outside and protest.
The mosques.
4AM.
Out of nowhere.
Ok.
The mosques.
4AM.
Out of nowhere.
Ok.
What? The change in Turkey is from secularism to Islamist state NOT from Islamist to secular.
TheRealTalker
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did you hear about Fajr time
morning prayers start around 4am
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Why would this be a joke? Military is making a coup, an action to take Erdogan out of power before he replaces a good portion of them.
Why would a head of state trust and allow military officers who waited out the coup to see how it played out? Nobody is neutral in a coup, at some point people have to take sides.
Mr. Giggles
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You don't know what fajr prayers are do you?
Frustrated_me
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:lol
I'm still cracking up, what a disaster coup.
I'm still cracking up, what a disaster coup.
Joke post?
Negrodamus
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And what about the people in those countries who are gay who can't leave? What about those in those countries being oppressed and threatened with death with no way out? What about the Muslims who want to change some of the extreme stances within their book for the betterment of their religion and people? Are they just supposed to deal with it and suffer? For fuck's sake man, you're literally advocating for everyone to stick their head in the sand when it comes to the abuse of human rights. There are plenty of Muslim's who don't agree with everything in Quran and advocate for change within it. Are they just supposed to sit back and watch this abuse happen?
m_shortpants
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Maybe Erdogan wants the title of official Islamic State back
But seriously, good luck Turkey. Hope everyone stays safe.
But seriously, good luck Turkey. Hope everyone stays safe.
Frustrated_me
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The joke is that when it doesn't fit Erdogan's agenda the street protestors get shot or tear gassed, but when it does fit his agenda he calls his buddies inside the mosque to relay his message. The mosques I knew of when I lived in Turkey never interfered with state affairs, as sad as it is that is no longer the case.
Thank fuck I left the country, I could never live in a country where Islamists are in majority corrupt power.
Arrested soldier's video in Turkish: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ket20
Basically he says that they told them there will be a military education like usual so they took ammo's and gone with tanks.
Yes there are millions of people that doesn't wants Erdogan to even breathe but this coup is different. It is not related with any politics or Islamic groups or military. Thanks to God Central Istanbul is quiet for now. That was really nightmare that I will not forget till I die. Tho there are still reports some militaries took civil hostages in outer side of Istanbul.
Basically he says that they told them there will be a military education like usual so they took ammo's and gone with tanks.
Yes there are millions of people that doesn't wants Erdogan to even breathe but this coup is different. It is not related with any politics or Islamic groups or military. Thanks to God Central Istanbul is quiet for now. That was really nightmare that I will not forget till I die. Tho there are still reports some militaries took civil hostages in outer side of Istanbul.
Frustrated_me
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Notice how there's barely any (if any at all) women on the streets protesting?
It kind of sounds like some junior guys took matters into their hands and started the coup, irrespective of their commanding officers.
You mean the soldiers were told it was going to be a military exercise? Is that what you mean by military education?
This was the first thing I noticed. Not at all surprised because of who was calling who out to protest.
I expect they won't be coming out for public events in the future either with increased religious trends.
Yes literally.
By the way, things are still going on in Bosphorus side.
https://www.periscope.tv/Isocializm/1nAKEbvYkQXGL
TheRealTalker
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OMG were you literally blind during the periscope videos
there was even one women doing leading Takbir
enough of these straw man arguments... seriously you need some rest
how about that Soldier on the Bridge saying it is a coup early on in the thread?
Frustrated_me
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Exactly.
But the Islamists won't even discuss or debate this. It just happens in the background and becomes accepted over the years and then, voila, "new Turkey".
It's shameful.
He may be the one of them who gave an order.
Really we witnessed some weird shit in Turkey. Just look at this video after 45 seconds.
https://twitter.com/HSevkiTopuz/status/754124831017340928
Police hugs that arrested soldier and tells the civil, "I am just hugging him I cant hit him he is my brother"
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