koji kabuto
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They took over successfully at the beginning but failed to maintain their positions due to probably bad planing at phase (what to do after taking over?), Police and civilians going against them didn't help either.
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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They took over successfully at the beginning but failed to maintain their positions due to probably bad planing at phase (what to do after taking over?), Police and civilians going against them didn't help either.
RamzaIsCool
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Just read that the Chief of Staff (highest ranking general) has been replaced, his where abouts are still unknown. Earlier it was reported he was held captive and then freed. Things are getting even weirder.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/turkey-istanbul-military-bridges-2016-7
This article is suggesting that the military were the religious extremists. Last night GAF was telling me that Erdogan is the extremist. Which one is it?
This article is suggesting that the military were the religious extremists. Last night GAF was telling me that Erdogan is the extremist. Which one is it?
TheRealTalker
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and before you say show some people
look through the bloody thread and read some posts.... these posts are literally full circle now for goodness sake
Well, you know the UK and their 'experts'
orthodoxy1095
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NyMartin90
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Man Erdogan will definitely have purges in the military, looks like he'll serve out his position. When does his term end as president? (Under this constitution, before he changes it)
BreezyLimbo
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maybe they're both extremists
Aztechnology
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The truth usually lies somewhere between. So probably.
SilentRacoon
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That's hard to believe Hulusi Akar is a very close asset to Erdogan, why would he even do that, you got a link?
Well you quoted a specific user and claimed that he did without providing any proof, that's where my remark is coming from, you are painting anyone that sided with the coup to be going full tinfoil hat mode, when that clearly is not the case.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
754 army members are arrested accross Turkey.
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The article is just presenting the same old argument Erdogan has had for everything. Its that dastardly man living in Pennsylvania. It's all his fault whenever anything goes wrong.
I'd say that's highly likely. Obama isn't going to tarnish foreign relations quickly because of a coup. If the coup succeeded he'd have to talk to advisers for such a situation like this.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Maybe dead? Follow İlhan Tanır on twitter.
You Are Viewtiful
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He said he supported the democratically elected government before the coup failed.
CadetMahoney
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I don't see a way of halting Turkey from sliding down the path towards an Islamic dictatorship aiming for Ottoman glory.
CraigerGamer
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How much of the failure of the coup lays in the hands of the news organization that allowed Erdogan to say his peace via FaceTime?
Blame the Coup-faction for failing to secure the national TV stations before carrying out their plans.
The failure was still the military's. To not capture a populist leader like Erdogan almost a dictator and let him rally his people. He effectively neutered any opposition against him by being able to speak out freely.
RustyNails
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So much this. So surreal to see champions of "Liberal Democracy" here wanting badly to overthrow a democratically elected leader, and a hugely popular one at that.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Not much, civilians weren't the cause of the failure. The force that attempted the coup was to small and they didn't get any support from other parties.
"Democratically elected."
TheRealTalker
Banned
they controlled some
had that reporter say their statement at gunpoint
tried to fully capture that CNN newsroom too but they first went after State TV
Putin is also a 'democratically' elected leader, and hugely popular, you telling me people here wouldn't cheer if he was deposed in a coup? Morsi was elected democratically and yet the world stood by as he was removed by the military in Egypt.
orthodoxy1095
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Yeah, wanting to overthrow a "democratic" leader who chucks political opponents in jail, intimidates the press, attacks ethnic minorities and threatens political dissenters is just shocking.
And we all know that popularity is what matters for politics!
Erdogan is a shady character, his legitimacy as a "democratically elected leader" is as valid as Drake claiming he started from the bottom. These past nearing-100 pages have discussed at lengths why his claim is dubious at best. The man's a borderline dictator, he needs to be put away.
It doesn't suggest that anywhere. It's referring to the "state within a state" thing Erdogan is huge on, based on his suspicion that followers of Fethullah Gulen are spread throughout positions of power and acting in opposition to him in a coordinated fashion. Those people aren't necessarily "religious extremists", and the article isn't saying the military coup was lead by them. It's more contextualizing how Erdogan himself will respond to this.
If you want to pin the "extremist" label on someone, Erdogan is the best fit for it.
Four_Chamber
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Pleased to see democracy win in Turkey- supporting military coups is a disgusting manipulation of the democratic process. A massive shame that 40+ people lost their lives too for a completely useless maneuver by those who orchestrated the coup.
Which president is living in ghettos
TheRealTalker
Banned
Uh huh....
Do you see your so called statement being true
I don't.... please point out were I blamed him
You Are Viewtiful
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Whether you like it or not, he was democratically elected in fair and free elections. It's no secret that he is a very popular leader in Turkey. Does anyone deny this other than people who only see what they want to see/conspiracy theorists?
SilentRacoon
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That and the timing, why would you make your move at plain rush hour, makes no sense, unless they are not well trained or like I said just desperate.
orthodoxy1095
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Fair and free, please.
I'm pretty sure the entire world understands those elections were rigged. It's possible he would have won anyway but not with the numbers he put up.
Pretending that Turkey is a democracy is just asinine.
Mr. Giggles
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Look man, I don't want to derail the thead but brexit was a fair vote
Are you suggesting that it was akin to dictators deciding the vote?
The captured soldiers seemed mostly young, perhaps they were unable to secure enough senior support within the chain of commands. That could explain the rather shitty logistics behind such a poor uprising.
It's starting to feel like they just went "YOLO" and proceeded to launch the most ill-conceived coup in Turkish history.
TheRealTalker
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yeah Brexit voters should've been contained and shot at by the military too
I am anti Brexit by the way
What world are you living in that you think this is the case? I mean Putin can also say he won in a free and democratic election if you ignore the jailing of opposition, bias in institutions, control and influence in the media, intimidation etc. Numerous election watchers and observers stated that Erdogan did not run any sort of fair election.
Kenshin001
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He was elected fairly wasn't he? If that is what the majority of Turkish people want let them have it.
It's odd, I'm seeing Twitter reports that 5 generals and 20 odd colonels have been arrested so far.
They really fucked up not blowing Erdogan out of the sky.
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