Admiral Woofington
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Oh just wait. There's 2 Kiritsugu origins episode (The Dark Protag Rises). They're brilliant.
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Oh just wait. There's 2 Kiritsugu origins episode (The Dark Protag Rises). They're brilliant.
Time to open my letters like a boss.
and don't forget to sing DON'T LOSE YOUR WAAAAAAAAAY! every time.
KirbYuuYuu
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Also Yelling
AnathemicOne
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R_thanatos
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Kyoukai no kanata - 03
it's beautifull
it's very nicely animated ...
But the drama i got in the second half , heck during the entire episode wasn't that great ..
the oether bit of trivia on the other characters were cool , but this stupid drama ? Noot good.
it's beautifull
it's very nicely animated ...
But the drama i got in the second half , heck during the entire episode wasn't that great ..
the oether bit of trivia on the other characters were cool , but this stupid drama ? Noot good.
FelixOrion
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and cut yourself
Admiral Woofington
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What other anime adaptation does Key have besides Clannad/AS?
AnathemicOne
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You already finished both, how was it? Should I keep going haha
kanon 2002 is a must
hosannainexcelsis
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Other adaptations of Key visual novels:
Toei:
Kanon (2002 TV)
Air (movie)
Clannad (movie)
Kyoto Animation:
Air (TV)
Kanon (2006 TV)
J.C. Staff:
Little Busters/Little Busters Refrain
Admiral Woofington
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No haven't finished. Just started AS in fact. Clannad season 1... I mean if you're not tearing up or at least enjoying the anime by the Fuko arc [up to episode 9] then this might not be for you.
I see Clannad's primary role as getting you acquaintanced with the characters for AS.
As to Kanon, should have guessed this was from them as well. Though Kanon 2006 [?] was extremely boring for me.
Huh. Had no idea Little Busters was from them. How is it? Is it a romance drama? I know it's about baseball. But that's pretty much all I know
A Black Falcon
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I don't care how many times AnimeGAF bashes Angel Beats, it won't change the fact that it's one of the best Key-related things ever made, and yes, it's far, FAR better than Clannad. Angel Beats was an amazing series done extremely well, while Clannad just couldn't hold my interest at all... it's not even close. Clannad, Little Busters... they're okay, but Angel Beats is far better. Kanon, too. And yes, I don't care if AnimeGAF also hates this, but I'll always prefer Kanon 2002 to Kanon 2006... Kanon '02 is a great series with a great, moving story. I know that Angel Beats and Kanon 2002 are rushed, but somehow I think I like Key stories better when they have to compress them a bit... some things are better longer, but other things are better with more time. Kanon seemed a bit too stretched out at 25 episodes. Angel Beats needed another ten or twelve, minimum, though; they did an amazing job with what they had, but it's tragic that they couldn't get a full season, the story needed it.
You are correct. Clannad's ED is good, but Angel Beats are just fantastic... they've got more depth and feeling to them for sure, and are better songs as well.
All the more reason to watch the 2002 version!
I think they announced the game of that a few weeks ago.
AnathemicOne
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I wouldn't call Angel Beats! amazing but it did have alot of potential to be great. The premise itself I feel is original (for what I've seen) and of course the music is superb. Again I applaud what the show attempted to do and I would support, not a sequel, but a remake of it.
Admiral Woofington
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Yeah Angel Beats. I applaud what they were going for, but a high school limbo with guns? I would have preferred College Limbo with guns (kidding)
As to Kanon 2002 vs 2006 what's the difference? 2006/7 was really slow. Like RE-HE-HE-HEALLY slow paced to the point I got bored. Even if she said uguuuu~ every 5 seconds.
As to Kanon 2002 vs 2006 what's the difference? 2006/7 was really slow. Like RE-HE-HE-HEALLY slow paced to the point I got bored. Even if she said uguuuu~ every 5 seconds.
hosannainexcelsis
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Jun Maeda is a bad writer who should not be writing anything. Except songs. That's OK.
He should write under a pseudonym so we never see the tragedy coming.
At least Clannad made me begrudgingly upgrade my opinion of "Jun Maeda is a talentless hack" to "Jun Maeda is a talentless hack who somehow wrote that one pretty good VN that one time"
So instead of being Uwe Boll he's now M Night Shyamalan. That counts as an upgrade, right?
So instead of being Uwe Boll he's now M Night Shyamalan. That counts as an upgrade, right?
I guess he could get a ghostwriter but I worry he'd take that a bit too literally.
It's about half as long for starters.
A Black Falcon
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On the note of Kanon... that Kanon '02 OP is still pretty good, musically particularly... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu6_Zcraz-U Sniff...
Here's the Kanon '06 version. It's very good, but I still like the original more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qA3tXZwfrI They're both great though!
A remake that had more time -- a full season, not half -- and improved on the visuals, as Kanon '06 did to '02, might be great. I don't know if it'd be better than the original or not, but it'd be awesome to see; I mean, even if I (unlike most of AnimeGAF) actually prefer Kanon '02 to '06, it's great that they made the second version, and it's a very good series well worth watching if you like Key. But anyway, sure, a remake would be cool.
Here's the Kanon '06 version. It's very good, but I still like the original more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qA3tXZwfrI They're both great though!AB was one of my favorite animes of 2010. Top three to five of the year, easily. I think it's amazing. Things which try to be both comedy and drama usually fail -- ultimately I thought that this was a huge problem in Nadesico, for instance -- but AB actually manages to do it well, both through good, original choice of a setting which actually could accommodate both comedy and drama, and through great writing.
A remake that had more time -- a full season, not half -- and improved on the visuals, as Kanon '06 did to '02, might be great. I don't know if it'd be better than the original or not, but it'd be awesome to see; I mean, even if I (unlike most of AnimeGAF) actually prefer Kanon '02 to '06, it's great that they made the second version, and it's a very good series well worth watching if you like Key. But anyway, sure, a remake would be cool.
That's true, since '02 is just over half the length of '06 (13 or 14 episodes including the OVA for '02 versus 24 for '06), it definitely is a lot less boring. Much faster pace.
Oh, really, an Angel Beats game? I don't like VNs much, but that's nice.
Kanon '02 has a much faster pace (see length comparisons above) and much worse art. Also, for me and other people who watched it back back then, it's got some definite nostalgia value too.
Better yet that can be the next twist for KEY stuff.
Trolling and disgust-fueld exclamations of hyperbole aside, my biggest problems with Angel Beats were A) Maeda's particular brand of tragedy porn was in full groan-inducing swing throughout, B) The ending didn't feel earned, and C) Kanade/Tenshi is literally not a character (seriously, try the Plinkett test on her and see what you come up with) and by that virtue alone the main "love story", if you can call it that, falls flat on its face from the word go.
hosannainexcelsis
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The After Story portion of Clannad is probably his best work, but at the same time it has a wretched ending.
The protagonist finds out his favourite romance author is actually the ghost of his dead childhood friend that writes her books through the possessed body of his comatose mother.
It's definitely your personal taste. Just like how I feel the Angel Beats opening theme is pretty average after the short solo piano intro.
Still better than Angel Beats's twist
It has a fantastic chorus too for what it's worth. But hey, personal taste and all.
AnathemicOne
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B and C derive from the assumption that the anime was a romance. While I agree in those aspects I've always viewed Angel Beats as a tragedy/melodrama (much to my chagrin when encountering the first episode). If you're watching the show for romance then you'll prolly be dissapointed, if you're looking for a tragedy/melodrama however, its a solid show. Well atleast compared to the mass of another animes out there.
Joe Molotov
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Adorably rapey.
Admiral Woofington
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Everytime I finish an anime off my backlog, I regret to think that's one less anime to be able to marathon (that I care about)
I'm almost positive I've seen everything I care for, or at least already have it in my list. Obviously currently and future airing anime doesn't count.
Would it be too weird for me to say that as of right now in the Clannad series, I think that the Ef: A tale of series has been better? Maybe not visually but artistically and plot-wise.
I'm almost positive I've seen everything I care for, or at least already have it in my list. Obviously currently and future airing anime doesn't count.
Would it be too weird for me to say that as of right now in the Clannad series, I think that the Ef: A tale of series has been better? Maybe not visually but artistically and plot-wise.
The female vocalist and lyrics aren't bad at all. I like both in fact. I just totally dislike the use of synth.
A Black Falcon
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Man, Kanon's full OP is so, so good, whatever version it's from... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5PkLbsayd0
Also, yeah, it's not a romance series. That is just one element of the show. It's a tragedy, mostly, with comedy and romance elements to make things more unique.
The good ending was probably the number one reason why AB was better than one of my other favorite animes of 2010, Katanagatari; that latter series was great, but the depressing ending weighed it down. AB's final scene was a fantastic, key moment that made the entire series so much better by existing.
Also, yeah, it's not a romance series. That is just one element of the show. It's a tragedy, mostly, with comedy and romance elements to make things more unique.
Of course Haibane Renmei is vastly superior, but AB is a great series regardless. Haibane Renmei is one of the one or two greatest TV animes ever made, while AB is 'just' a great anime. That's the difference between them.
AnathemicOne
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Ichiban no Takaramono (AKA the song played during the last episode's ending) is fucking legendary.
Fate/Zero 17
Things are ramping up now.
Also Saber on a motorcycle was pretty cool.
But more importantly:
Polar Bear Cafe 4
D-did Polar Bear destroy his tire so he could have people to retort to his puns?
This was basically my dad describing to me how to drive. >.>
Things are ramping up now.
Never give your shady minion a dagger as a gift.
Man, so Irisviel is basically dying. I know they foreshadowed that in the first episode, but who remembers that?! I don't want her to die, it's going to suck.
So many deaths...
But more importantly:
Polar Bear Cafe 4
D-did Polar Bear destroy his tire so he could have people to retort to his puns?
This was basically my dad describing to me how to drive. >.>
Basileus777
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So if Haibane Renmei didn't exist, Angel Beats would be fine?
Jun Maeda should just stick to writing song (Even he also one trick pony at that)
That post sounds like compliment indeed lol
Don't putting any good title in same line beside AB plz
That post sounds like compliment indeed lol
Don't putting any good title in same line beside AB plz
No, it's just that, in addition to being bad, it's also completely superfluous.
I mean, I guess you can look at things that way but a romance story is eventually what it became.
You had a group of people who had individual lives and experiences interacting with each other in death and that could have been a decent source of drama if that actually remained the focal point. In fact, the show was completely successful in doing just that when they did the Yui-centric episode, which also happened to be the only part of the show I legitimately liked. If the entire show were like that episode, it would have been really good and I would have had no problems.
Instead, and I'm going to ignore the incredibly forced and awkward comedy strewn about because that hindered things a lot more than helped, it kind of sharply drifted away from that central premise and started focusing on Otonashi and Kanade. And really, the crux of the narrative ended up being that Otonashi didn't belong there and Kanade was the reason why and everything hinged on the connection between the two, and said connection ended up forming the (very shaky and unconvincing) basis for their romance. It's not like it was just some incidental side plot, this was literally the entire point of the show in retrospect. Seriously, it's in the show's title. So yeah, given all that I'm going to complain when the central love story involves a protagonist with no real agency and a love interest that isn't a character and whom I struggle to spend more than a sentence and a half describing.
Instead, and I'm going to ignore the incredibly forced and awkward comedy strewn about because that hindered things a lot more than helped, it kind of sharply drifted away from that central premise and started focusing on Otonashi and Kanade. And really, the crux of the narrative ended up being that Otonashi didn't belong there and Kanade was the reason why and everything hinged on the connection between the two, and said connection ended up forming the (very shaky and unconvincing) basis for their romance. It's not like it was just some incidental side plot, this was literally the entire point of the show in retrospect. Seriously, it's in the show's title. So yeah, given all that I'm going to complain when the central love story involves a protagonist with no real agency and a love interest that isn't a character and whom I struggle to spend more than a sentence and a half describing.
dakkumauji
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Ookiku Furikabutte 09
Haruna's quite an ass.
Haruna's quite an ass.
Basileus777
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Eh, there's still plenty of room for anime about dead people trapped in a mysterious world, the concept isn't the problem with Angel Beats.
Admiral Woofington
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Fate/Zero 17
Things are ramping up now.Never give your shady minion a dagger as a gift.
Man, so Irisviel is basically dying. I know they foreshadowed that in the first episode, but who remembers that?! I don't want her to die, it's going to suck.
Also Saber on a motorcycle was pretty cool.So many deaths...
But more importantly:
Polar Bear Cafe 4
D-did Polar Bear destroy his tire so he could have people to retort to his puns?
This was basically my dad describing to me how to drive. >.>
He took his friends for a ride, only so he could destroy the tires and make more puns.
When he sees signs that says "no polar bears allowed". He enters anyways
He started to order bamboo to his restaurant, and added it to his menu. For one panda-kun.
I don't always drink iced coffee. But when I do. I drink it at Shirokuma cafe.
Stay thirsty my friends.
Urge to write Columbine (yeah yeah that was a highschool w/e) x Angel Beats crossover fanfic rising.
AnathemicOne
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I definitely agree that the show has flaws in juggling the themes of comedy, drama, tragedy, and romance in its entirety, however I cannot agree it was solely a romance. Sure the last few eps and its ending made it out to be that way but that's it, for 3/4 of the show there was no romantic elements where instead it was trying to juggle tragedy/drama and comedy (and of course exposition) during that majority. And yes Episode 10 was great. To me saying Angel Beats was a romance due to its ending is like saying, forgive me for this comparison, School Days is a tragedy with its ending which it definitely isn't.
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