Actually it's funny you mention that. When I was reading the manga there was one page where it showed the main cast on the left staring angrily at the enemies on the right similar to the x-men opening. I started humming "dararara RA RA RA darararara RA RA darararar RA RA. RADA!"
That message would be a little more believable if the guys wore ridiculously revealing costumes too; or if the girls didn't have perfect Barbie-doll bodies. As you allude to, it just feels like Imaishi being intellectually dishonest about his fanservice.
That message would be a little more believable if the guys wore ridiculously revealing costumes too; or if the girls didn't have perfect Barbie-doll bodies. As you allude to, it just feels like Imaishi being intellectually dishonest about his fanservice.
That's mostly true, but you're leaving a few things out here, most notably that S1 did have some character changes. Remember when late in the season they "equalized" the harem, maybe starting from ep. 9 or 10? Sure the girls didn't lose character as badly as they did in S2, but suddenly seeing Char (and maybe also Houki)'s advantages disappear was ... odd.
This concept of "advantages" you have here is a flawed one. First off, you treat each girl's little act with Ichika as some kind of points system where whomever can get the most accidental boob grabs and accidental walk-ins somehow wins the prize, lol. I guess I should let you know this, if they're all accidents they're not advantages! If you get a bunch of girls together that all try and rate their progress with a single man and all they can do is list times that something's happened against the man's will they're all fucking losers. In other words, sans one character they always were equal now they're just all stuck together so it's more in your face. Therefore I couldn't have ignored it, that "problem" never existed in the first place.
Further, I still find this a rather sad way of looking at things. Almost like it's some kind of game where whomever accidentally gets touched by or falls on Ichika the most is the winnar type crap. Considering these are not games but, somehow, books that were published this is a flawed way of looking at the relationships in them. And if this were a game and the rules were so well defined and followed it'd be boring anyways as without taking into account personality and all you're doing is a by the numbers thing where's the fun in that? What fun would a dating game be where you just gotta basically sexually assault one character the most?
As for stupid, the thing about S1 was that it was one of those things where it felt like the people making the anime (hopefully!) understood how stupid the thing they were making was, and had fun with it. Either that, or they totally failed... but either way, in S2, that's entirely gone as I've said, in favor of generic blandness. But S1 was definitely very stupid. The key (to why the show was "good") was HOW it was stupid.
Didn't you say you owned IS or were going to buy it? If so can I even really believe you when you say it's stupid? I get the feeling you're not being honest with yourself here and that I in turn am trying to respond to a fictional argument. There is a definite quality thing in play here where season two is worse than the first but neither are good. Season one was never good, not in an intellectual way, an action way, a camp way, not in a technical way, in no way was season one good. I don't feel that they were having "fun" while making season one, it came off as very by the numbers.
As I've said I definitely agree on the core of this point -- making all of the girls "yan" tsunderes, as only Rin fully was in the first season, was a major mistake, and it definitely breaks down the differences between the characters. I think that each one of them has manged to hold on to SOME of the things that make each unique, so I wouldn't go quite as far as you do here, but you are right that they've broken down the differences between the girls, which is kind of an issue when you started out with a series where all five main girls could be described as tsundere... Char less than the others, but she did have some of that in S1. But now they're even more similar, and all have some hitting-him "yan" tendencies. That change was bad.
All five girls still DO have some of their original characters around, so you overstate things some, but it is true that they've been made even more similar. I'll continue with this below.
Considering that Looney Tunes is the best animated anything ever and Nichijou is one of the best comedy animes (it's not quite Excel Saga's equal, but it's near the top of the next tier down), I couldn't disagree with your tone here any more strongly, I think...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Infinite Stratos is anywhere remotely good as Looney Tunes, I'm just saying that it's now dispensed with the characterization and laws of it's fictional universe enough to feel like a variety show that just happens to have reoccurring characters.
How is something "moderately entertaining fun?" To me these are binary things, entertaining means you were entertained and fun means you had fun. Then you try and temper one with moderately, ok, whatever, I get the human desire to try and rate things, but add yet another positive with fun? At some point shouldn't you just step back and say it was entertaining and fun if that's the way you feel?
I don't think that sequence from the second half of ep. 3 is completely out of character for the girls post-equalization (that is, after the point in S1 where all five are put on equal footing), honestly... that's one reason why I said that I liked that part better, I think it fits a bit better with S1's style, not worse.
None of the girls are on equal footing, stop fooling yourself. There's no pre and post equalization thing going on either. What you're alluding to is probably just a byproduct of how characters are introduced in this kind of crap. Basically, a character is introduced and that character gets to be the focus of attention for the time being and then once it's time for the story to move on the honeymoon, so to speak, is over and things normalize between the cast so things can move on. Consider them mini arcs.
Of course it's a problem that S2 completely ignores S1's ending scene, and I wish they would have addressed that, but animes that don't want to end always do something stupid like that, so sadly you expect that kind of thing.
So good.. not only for 2D mecha porn, the character interaction also really engaging. This have potential to being really special, this age Angelic Layer.
Fujoshi need to flock on this already, I need more..
From what I hear the Code;Breaker anime is a really bad adaptation. I've read the manga. It's ok, but it seems to be written by a high school girl who still hasn't gotten over her bad boy phase.
It's more like a high school girl that regressed into her bad boy phase. Her previous work, Samurai Deeper Kyo, actually had better characterizations, even if they weren't great either.
Anyway, if you dislike Code:Breaker for the same reasons as me, the anime won't change anything and might even make it worse.
Huh. Completely forgot that YQ had a bit of yuri. Maybe I should read the manga again, since I'm not recalling much besides basic character traits. After I get back from classes is on to catching up with this anime, also watching Battleship Harem (D5, you sunk my battle waifu!) and more Yaya. Because Yaya is the whole reason why UMD is enjoyable. Well a big portion of it
This concept of "advantages" you have here is a flawed one. First off, you treat each girl's little act with Ichika as some kind of points system where whomever can get the most accidental boob grabs and accidental walk-ins somehow wins the prize, lol. I guess I should let you know this, if they're all accidents they're not advantages! If you get a bunch of girls together that all try and rate their progress with a single man and all they can do is list times that something's happened against the man's will they're all fucking losers. In other words, sans one character they always were equal now they're just all stuck together so it's more in your face. Therefore I couldn't have ignored it, that "problem" never existed in the first place.
Further, I still find this a rather sad way of looking at things. Almost like it's some kind of game where whomever accidentally gets touched by or falls on Ichika the most is the winnar type crap. Considering these are not games but, somehow, books that were published this is a flawed way of looking at the relationships in them. And if this were a game and the rules were so well defined and followed it'd be boring anyways as without taking into account personality and all you're doing is a by the numbers thing where's the fun in that? What fun would a dating game be where you just gotta basically sexually assault one character the most?
No, I don't own IS, but if it was cheap I might pick it up, yes... haven't so far though. But what does that have to do with whether I thought it was stupid or not? IS was comically awful and ended up being entertaining as a result. That's why I did not consider getting it for full price, but for cheap, why not?
I get the feeling you're not being honest with yourself here and that I in turn am trying to respond to a fictional argument. There is a definite quality thing in play here where season two is worse than the first but neither are good. Season one was never good, not in an intellectual way, an action way, a camp way, not in a technical way, in no way was season one good. I don't feel that they were having "fun" while making season one, it came off as very by the numbers.
As I said, I think that's only partially true. Scenes like Laura's in bed with Ichika, or when she tries to pat down that part of her hair sticking out... as I said, those show character change (not for the better really, but change) and certainly aren't things that would make any sense with the other girls. So yeah, while there is some truth to what you say, it's not true to the extreme you suggest.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Infinite Stratos is anywhere remotely good as Looney Tunes, I'm just saying that it's now dispensed with the characterization and laws of it's fictional universe enough to feel like a variety show that just happens to have reoccurring characters.
Ah. As I said, I don't completely agree, though you are partially right.
How is something "moderately entertaining fun?" To me these are binary things, entertaining means you were entertained and fun means you had fun. Then you try and temper one with moderately, ok, whatever, I get the human desire to try and rate things, but add yet another positive with fun? At some point shouldn't you just step back and say it was entertaining and fun if that's the way you feel?
Adding qualifiers is a good thing and makes things more specific. I don't really get why some people don't like that. More specific is better!
None of the girls are on equal footing, stop fooling yourself. There's no pre and post equalization thing going on either. What you're alluding to is probably just a byproduct of how characters are introduced in this kind of crap. Basically, a character is introduced and that character gets to be the focus of attention for the time being and then once it's time for the story to move on the honeymoon, so to speak, is over and things normalize between the cast so things can move on. Consider them mini arcs.
That may be true, but still, that transition was quite jarring. It was one more example of how IS was so poorly written, most likely. Most things don't do it as badly.
I don't even remember it, must have been just as memorable for the characters as it was for me!
and they almost kiss, I think, but then the other four girls show up and interrupt things, naturally... it seemed like it was suggesting Ichika might actually like Houki.
Of course realistically you're right, but I was going by the rules in anime, where things like that, sillily enough, actually matter.
No, I don't own IS, but if it was cheap I might pick it up, yes... haven't so far though. But what does that have to do with whether I thought it was stupid or not? IS was comically awful and ended up being entertaining as a result. That's why I did not consider getting it for full price, but for cheap, why not?
I don't know, I think they knew they were making something awful... either that or they were incredibly incompetent.
As I said, I think that's only partially true. Scenes like Laura's in bed with Ichika, or when she tries to pat down that part of her hair sticking out... as I said, those show character change (not for the better really, but change) and certainly aren't things that would make any sense with the other girls. So yeah, while there is some truth to what you say, it's not true to the extreme you suggest.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Infinite Stratos is anywhere remotely good as Looney Tunes, I'm just saying that it's now dispensed with the characterization and laws of it's fictional universe enough to feel like a variety show that just happens to have reoccurring characters.
Adding qualifiers is a good thing and makes things more specific. I don't really get why some people don't like that. More specific is better!
That may be true, but still, that transition was quite jarring. It was one more example of how IS was so poorly written, most likely. Most things don't do it as badly.
You don't? You know, Ichika was with Houki
and they almost kiss, I think, but then the other four girls show up and interrupt things, naturally... it seemed like it was suggesting Ichika might actually like Houki.
Personally, I would consider this to be a bad thing, because I dread what the Toei marketing, sanitization, and plot regurgitation machines of 2013 will do to Sailor Moon if it's being designed around appealing to the Precure demographic. Sailor Moon being the designated Precure "successor" could be ruinous to SM201X, and I say this being totally fine if Precure is killed and buried forever.
I really hope that Doki is being euthanized for other reasons and that SM201X ends up in a timeslot consistent with its stated objective of appealing to both new and old fans.
You have to have a good grasp on the pulse of your show to make an episode about the transcendence of things, that's still a cozy pick-me-upper nonetheless.
Personally, I would consider this to be a bad thing, because I dread what the Toei marketing, sanitization, and plot regurgitation machines of 2013 will do to Sailor Moon if it's being designed around appealing to the Precure demographic. Sailor Moon being the designated Precure "successor" could be ruinous to SM201X, and I say this being totally fine if Precure is killed and buried forever.
I really hope that Doki is being euthanized for other reasons and that SM201X ends up in a timeslot consistent with its stated objective of appealing to both new and old fans.
Toei doesn't really have the flexibility of making it Sailor Precure if their hopes of tapping the nostalgia market are to pan out. Sure, they can milk young kids once again, but they stand to make a lot more if they play it right.
When one person is storyboarding most of the series, episodes that aren't storyboarded by that person are in danger of sticking out like a sore thumb. Shuhei Morita's storyboard was good at staying within the general style, but this episode, storyboarded by some random Sunrise guy, does succumb to this danger.
A Kou Matsuo storyboard wouldn't have such clumsy layouts, with bits of characters awkwardly sticking in the frame and heads getting weirdly cut off. Matsuo usually makes sure to arrange characters in more elegant compositions - nothing flashy, but unobtrusively pleasing to the eye.
Otherwise, L-Elf continues to be the best. From here on is new material for me, so I'll be looking forward to what goes down.
Personally, I would consider this to be a bad thing, because I dread what the Toei marketing, sanitization, and plot regurgitation machines of 2013 will do to Sailor Moon if it's being designed around appealing to the Precure demographic. Sailor Moon being the designated Precure "successor" could be ruinous to SM201X, and I say this being totally fine if Precure is killed and buried forever.
Is the Precure demo really that different from Sailor Moon? Perhaps it skews younger because of the deliberate lack of romance in modern Precure, but most of the toyetic elements etc. are fairly similar. Sailor Moon at least has the advantage of a pre-written plot they can follow; presumably the intention is something like the Hunter X Hunter remake, covering exactly the same material but with new direction.
I'm still dubious as to whether new Sailor Moon can measure up to the original given the calibre of the original staff, regardless of what Toei might do to it.
I really hope that Doki is being euthanized for other reasons and that SM201X ends up in a timeslot consistent with its stated objective of appealing to both new and old fans.
Where would that timeslot be, though? At present, ALL of TV Asahi's anime airs on Saturday or Sunday mornings in child-friendly timeslots. They don't show dinnertime anime, and there's no way Sailor Moon is going to air in a graveyard slot like From The New World did. It seems to me that Sunday morning is the perfect time to air. Remember they're showing repeats of the original series on a satellite channel at 5pm on Sundays, too...
I'm still dubious as to whether new Sailor Moon can measure up to the original given the calibre of the original staff, regardless of what Toei might do to it.
That message would be a little more believable if the guys wore ridiculously revealing costumes too; or if the girls didn't have perfect Barbie-doll bodies. As you allude to, it just feels like Imaishi being intellectually dishonest about his fanservice.
Toei doesn't really have the flexibility of making it Sailor Precure if their hopes of tapping the nostalgia market are to pan out. Sure, they can milk young kids once again, but they stand to make a lot more if they play it right.
In addition to the whole "no point in bringing Sailor Moon back unless they're aiming to hook fans of the original anime" thing, it's worth remembering that Naoko Takeuchi does have a level of creative control over the franchise. If there happened to be some attempt by Toei to dumb down and sanitize the series, I think she'd block it.
Matsumoto Rie and Otsuka Takashi for comedy episodes. Sakai Munehisa for drama episodes. The talent is there, they're just never allowed out of their cages when they're most needed.
I remember when my friend first told me about Sailor Moon and I imagine a show about some bearded Captain bloke called Sailor Moon who travelled the stars in his literal Space Ship.
You have to have a good grasp on the pulse of your show to make an episode about the transcendence of things, that's still a cozy pick-me-upper nonetheless.
We need more dancing routines and singing idols in anime, they are too good in this, urge to watch the anime rising. (the spinning, tummy shot, and moon part and skateboarding senpai and the save was too good).
Is the Precure demo really that different from Sailor Moon? Perhaps it skews younger because of the deliberate lack of romance in modern Precure, but most of the toyetic elements etc. are fairly similar. Sailor Moon at least has the advantage of a pre-written plot they can follow; presumably the intention is something like the Hunter X Hunter remake, covering exactly the same material but with new direction.
I'm still dubious as to whether new Sailor Moon can measure up to the original given the calibre of the original staff, regardless of what Toei might do to it.
That's why I specified the "Toei of 2013", because the demographics aren't measurably different but Toei has evolved (well, devolved) in how it approaches that demographic. What would pass for child-friendly material in the mid-1990s skews older in the mid-2010s.
If it's an HxH-esque enhanced remake, that's enough.
Where would that timeslot be, though? At present, ALL of TV Asahi's anime airs on Saturday or Sunday mornings in child-friendly timeslots. They don't show dinnertime anime, and there's no way Sailor Moon is going to air in a graveyard slot like From The New World did. It seems to me that Sunday morning is the perfect time to air. Remember they're showing repeats of the original series on a satellite channel at 5pm on Sundays, too...
Timeslot availability on a channel-by-channel basis is something that I know nothing about, so based on what you've said, I can't argue that there's a more appropriate time that the show would be able to air.
Toei doesn't really have the flexibility of making it Sailor Precure if their hopes of tapping the nostalgia market are to pan out. Sure, they can milk young kids once again, but they stand to make a lot more if they play it right.
This is going to sound like a post straight out of a Nintendo thread, but the danger of appealing to nostalgia is that there's the temptation to coast with retreading to an extent instead of truly producing more of what old fans want. Given Toei's penchant for recycling, well.....*gulp*
There's basically nothing to use as further fuel for speculation, though, so we can only wait and see now.
All that said, while I was looking for images of those swords, I found a GIF that is more deadly than any of them. (Warning: do not click unless you have extremely high resistance to nekomimi. I can't take any responsibility for hearts exploding as a result of looking at this gif, or indeed for deaths by starvation caused by staring at it for days on end.)
He gets a sword in the series!? I'm on episode 4 on Monogatari and everytime I see it, it seems like something drastically changes. First I was seeing a girl with office suplies falling out of her, now the MC has a huge sword, and then he's teaching some little girl how to brush her teeth.
That is a very strange show. I still remember when they spent a whole episode in a park talking, and in the office supply girl's room talking. It was mostly the reason I dropped it.
I might have to get back into it now after seeing this.
Let's see... Ikuhara is busy with that Penguin Bear thing or whatever, Igarashi is busy with Captain Earth, and Satou may or may not be still busy with Phi Brain.
Based on what I gathered about Precure, if it's getting a new series, we'll get something like a month or two before it airs, if not, then I'm right, Sailor Moon is replacing Precure.
We need more dancing routines and singing idols in anime, they are too good in this, urge to watch the anime rising. (the spinning, tummy shot, and moon part and skateboarding senpai and the save was too good).
Let's see... Ikuhara is busy with that Penguin Bear thing or whatever, Igarashi is busy with Captain Earth, and Satou may or may not be still busy with Phi Brain.
He gets a sword in the series!? I'm on episode 4 on Monogatari and everytime I see it, it seems like something drastically changes. First I was seeing a girl with office suplies falling out of her, now the MC has a huge sword, and then he's teaching some little girl how to brush her teeth.
That is a very strange show. I still remember when they spent a whole episode in a park talking, and in the office supply girl's room talking. It was mostly the reason I dropped it.
I might have to get back into it now after seeing this.
He uses the sword like, once from the couple of times he actually has it. Don't get your hopes up if you didn't enjoy the first few Bakemonogatari episodes.
Let's see... Ikuhara is busy with that Penguin Bear thing or whatever, Igarashi is busy with Captain Earth, and Satou may or may not be still busy with Phi Brain.
We need more dancing routines and singing idols in anime, they are too good in this, urge to watch the anime rising. (the spinning, tummy shot, and moon part and skateboarding senpai and the save was too good).
Can one of the resident idol anime experts (7th?) explain why ice skating is such a big thing in Pretty Rhythm? Is there ice on the floor of that car park?