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God no. Anime is already fucking expensive as it is.They cant just raise cost on BD's and release more BDs. I think people are willing to pay for better quality of their coveted series.
God no. Anime is already fucking expensive as it is.They cant just raise cost on BD's and release more BDs. I think people are willing to pay for better quality of their coveted series.
Although Parish hates Japan and anime and whatever (as evidenced by that thread people got pissy over), he is an Eva fanboi.But is it any good? Or is it just gonna be another one of those "lol Evangelion is not as good as they say" podcasts?
Yeah, same here. Although I probably would have double dipped.Well, at least now I don't feel bad about buying Utena in DVD.
Rightstuf/Nozomi has always been reluctant to do BDs... probably because they don't want to go the way of other anime licensors and actually make money.They cant just raise cost on BD's and release more BDs. I think people are willing to pay for better quality of their coveted series.
I think you got it wrong, I think he doesn't want to lose money. One of the people in the chat made a comment like "you're not printing 10's of thousands of these things" to which he replied "I wish," implying that some of his titles don't even break 20 thousand. I mean, come on, with that kind of low volume if they truly made a bad move it could be really bad for them, they're a stark contrast to, say, Funimation that can afford to lose a few million dollars one quarter.Rightstuf/Nozomi has always been reluctant to do BDs... probably because they don't want to go the way of other anime licensors and actually make money.
Parish is not the one that worries me, but rather the other pundits.Although Parish hates Japan and anime and whatever (as evidenced by that thread people got pissy over), he is an Eva fanboi.
I predict you are gonna end up hating it, but still, good choice of show.I'm goign to watch the original Evangelion tv series for the first time starting today. Note: I've watched bits and pieces of it but not consecutively.
It's the Madoka Magica of mecha shows!I'm goign to watch the original Evangelion tv series for the first time starting today. Note: I've watched bits and pieces of it but not consecutively.
Parish is not the one that worries me, but rather the other pundits.
I predict you are gonna end up hating it, but still, good choice of show.
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I'm goign to watch the original Evangelion tv series for the first time starting today. Note: I've watched bits and pieces of it but not consecutively.
No, it's a bunch of weeaboos. Bob Mackey, Christian Nutt, Jose Otero. All they're missing is like, Kat Bailey and Ray Barnholt and it would have been a full Japanese nerd fest. lolParish is not the one that worries me, but rather the other pundits.
Well, wanting to make money and not lose money are the same thing... aren't they?I think you got it wrong, I think he doesn't want to lose money. One of the people in the chat made a comment like "you're not printing 10's of thousands of these things" to which he replied "I wish," implying that some of his titles don't even break 20 thousand. I mean, come on, with that kind of low volume if they truly made a bad move it could be really bad for them, they're a stark contrast to, say, Funimation that can afford to lose a few million dollars one quarter.
Don't underestimate the pull of Eva on even the non-weeabelievers.Parish is not the one that worries me, but rather the other pundits.
Just a feeling.Why do you say that?
I feel I'm turning Japanese.No, it's a bunch of weeaboos. Bob Mackey, Christian Nutt, Jose Otero. All they're missing is like, Kat Bailey and Ray Barnholt and it would have been a full Japanese nerd fest. lol
Until people start discussing Shinji when compared to other mecha pilots!Don't underestimate the pull of Eva on even the non-weeabelievers.
It's a 'safe' show to say you watched and even liked.
These are old men talking about anime. It might as well be an episode of Anime World Order or something. lolUntil people start discussing Shinji when compared to other mecha pilots!
Not that I believe most kids today even know what mecha is.
Not really, there's a higher degree of "risk" involved in making good money as opposed to making the kind of money that just allows you to continue operations. I mean, either way you're making money, you can't break even because then you shut down the next month, so he's making money, but that element of risk that takes you to the next level of making money's pretty dangerous.Well, wanting to make money and not lose money are the same thing... aren't they?
That reminds me I need to quit this hobby before my midlife crisis.These are old men talking about anime. It might as well be an episode of Anime World Order or something. lol
I suppose so. But he also has the advantage of being "Steam" inasmuch as he owns a distribution platform as well. Of course, the only business that's worse than translating anime is probably selling anime DVDs, but what can ya do. lolNot really, there's a higher degree of "risk" involved in making good money as opposed to making the kind of money that just allows you to continue operations. I mean, either way you're making money, you can't break even because then you shut down the next month, so he's making money, but that element of risk that takes you to the next level of making money's pretty dangerous.
1up decided to do an Evangelion podcast in celebration of Eva 3.0:
http://www.1up.com/do/minisite?cId=3182486
Also, on the ANNCast, the Rightstuf dude said they were "looking at" the Utena blurays in terms of future release plans. Which is code for "not in a million years", since he goes on to mention how BD pressing is still extremely expensive.
This week, Games, Dammit! takes a break from talking strictly about video games to bring you a one-of-a-kind discussion about the biggest anime ever made in Japan.
I think you could make the argument that Evangelion has been the most popular original anime (as in, not adapted from anywhere else) since Gundam.What dragon ball z or pokemon? eva fans sure live in there own world if they think it's the biggest anime ever made.
I don't think you can compare Right Stuf to Steam in any good conscious.I suppose so. But he also has the advantage of being "Steam" inasmuch as he owns a distribution platform as well. Of course, the only business that's worse than translating anime is probably selling anime DVDs, but what can ya do. lol
I think you could make the argument that Evangelion has been the most popular original anime (as in, not adapted from anywhere else) since Gundam.
That reminds me I need to quit this hobby before my midlife crisis.
I think you got it wrong, I think he doesn't want to lose money. One of the people in the chat made a comment like "you're not printing 10's of thousands of these things" to which he replied "I wish," implying that some of his titles don't even break 20 thousand. I mean, come on, with that kind of low volume if they truly made a bad move it could be really bad for them, they're a stark contrast to, say, Funimation that can afford to lose a few million dollars one quarter.
I, is this a compliment or not? I don't even.....But mAc's still here and he turned out alright. Or at least as much as one could realistically expect.
well, that's good to know, though I can't make any use of it without the rest of the specifics but I think it does help to put things in perspective.Sentai interviews have publicly pointed to 2,500 units being their version of Japan's 4,000-5,000 "success line" at this point; other sources indicate that that rough ratio also holds for bombas industrywide, though not necessarily for successes.
I think you could make the argument that Evangelion has been the most popular original anime (as in, not adapted from anywhere else) since Gundam.
Until people start discussing Shinji when compared to other mecha pilots!
Not that I believe most kids today even know what mecha is.
Firehawk12, I think the last thing I'd say regarding RightStuf/Nozomi, and this is of course without knowing the owner, is that I feel this is something that he actually wants to do. Not Utena on Bluray in particular but bring over anime from Japan. I don't feel that he's trying to make a business to sell to someone or wants to achieve some short period of growth and then move on to lead Best Buy or some shit, I think he's doing exactly what he wants to do in life. And the only reason I mention that is I feel it tempers what he will or won't do versus a person with different goals.
I'm goign to watch the original Evangelion tv series for the first time starting today. Note: I've watched bits and pieces of it but not consecutively.
Don't underestimate the pull of Eva on even the non-weeabelievers.
It's a 'safe' show to say you watched and even liked.
EH? I don't wish for anything in this discussion or do you just mean people in general as a kind of life lesson?Be extremely, extremely careful what you wish for. I know some wonderful people that do this for a living because they love it, and you kind of have to have some kind of personal drive to bother, but it tends to lead to choices that are in no one's interest sometimes.
EH? I don't wish for anything in this discussion or do you just mean people in general as a kind of life lesson?
Well, they're doing Penguindrum BDs, which is probably just as niche.I don't think you can compare Right Stuf to Steam in any good conscious.
I think the easiest way to look at this is, Sendai/Section 23/ADV's Ghost and Funimation aren't even touching the Utena Blurays either, so what does that tell you? That all of them hate free money? Or that at the moment all of them think the return on the investment is too low or negative?
Also, you took from his conversation that they'd do the Blurays "not in a million years" but I got quite the opposite from him, I think he'd do it as soon as he felt it became commercially viable. Which may indeed be a million years or it could be 6 months, really no telling.
That pretty much removes most of anime as nearly all animes are based on a manga/comic/game/tvshow/visualnovel/lightnovel that's like being the second fattest man on your tiny island not much of an accomplishment.
You said it yourself anyways it's not even the biggest original anime since Gundam is bigger.
Am not debating if it's big or small just the statement very wrong/untrue it's like when game journalist say silly things like "Yo the assassin creed franchise is the biggest gaming franchise ever created" theirs no debate it's just untrue.
Jesus, really? How is that even possible considering that they sell their sets in two volumes? The licenses must be really cheap or BD pressing must be cheaper than I thought.Sentai interviews have publicly pointed to 2,500 units being their version of Japan's 4,000-5,000 "success line" at this point; other sources indicate that that rough ratio also holds for bombas industrywide, though not necessarily for successes.
Then again, spending 9 years of your life trying to get something licensed and released is something that a sane person probably wouldn't bother doing.Be extremely, extremely careful what you wish for. I know some wonderful people that do this for a living because they love it, and you kind of have to have some kind of personal drive to bother, but it tends to lead to choices that are in no one's interest sometimes.
They're going after the shit that no one wants... because why else would Aoi Hana be released in America? (And hopefully Wandering Son, at some point). I appreciate the work they're doing.Firehawk12, I think the last thing I'd say regarding RightStuf/Nozomi, and this is of course without knowing the owner, is that I feel this is something that he actually wants to do. Not Utena on Bluray in particular but bring over anime from Japan. I don't feel that he's trying to make a business to sell to someone or wants to achieve some short period of growth and then move on to lead Best Buy or some shit, I think he's doing exactly what he wants to do in life. And the only reason I mention that is I feel it tempers what he will or won't do versus a person with different goals.
So remind me, when was the last time a Gundam, DBZ, or Pokemon anime sold over 800k for a single movie in the home video release?
But I don't think that at all. I'm merely saying that I think that is how he operates not that I think it's in everyone's best interests.In terms of thinking that fans all the way up the food chain is better for you the viewer.
Well, I'd argue that all these titles are niche and that we're now trying to say that one title is more or less niche than another niche title, lol.Well, they're doing Penguindrum BDs, which is probably just as niche.
I think Nozomi just isn't interested in the BD market because they are more boutique and also don't want to get into that game. Sora no Woto isn't particularly niche - and both the other Anime no Chikara shows have since been licensed and released on BD - they just don't want to go with the risk of doing BD releases.
That's why I'm saying that it won't happen in a million years. There needs to be some kind of drastic shift - BDs get extremely cheap to make, DVDs stop being a viable format - for them to seriously consider it.
The last time they had him on the podcast and someone asked him about BDs, he gave the same "we're always looking at it" answer. I don't think that will change.
But hey, they go after the weird stuff that no one else wants and at least in the case of Aria, they got all the special features over, so I'm not complaining too much.
I imagine that pressing discs becomes cheaper the more you do, therefore if you could license more shows thus having more discs, despite the runs being around similar sizes, that you'd get a discount.Jesus, really? How is that even possible considering that they sell their sets in two volumes? The licenses must be really cheap or BD pressing must be cheaper than I thought.
I guess I just don't find it that annoying because I don't feel they are holdouts in the sense they think it'll fail or whatnot but that they just don't feel their titles would sell enough for them. I don't take anything they say as some giant take on the anime bluray industry.I just think their stance on BD to be interesting, since they are the vocal holdouts against moving to BD as a business.
Wait are you really trying to debate eva bigger then those? no point getting in a debate you know your on the losing end, I didn't diss eva yet so no point getting your knickers in a twist.
They start off the podcast by saying how DVDs still account for most of his sales on Rightstuf, so I just don't see him changing his mind any time soon. It just doesn't seem to be a priority.Well, I'd argue that all these titles are niche and that we're now trying to say that one title is more or less niche than another niche title, lol.
I also don't believe you have to wait until some drastic event happens, I think you'll see it in time.
Yeah, but if it's 2500 to break even, how many discs can they even be making? 10k? It's not like they're making millions of these things like Disney does for their Ghibli releases.I imagine that pressing discs becomes cheaper the more you do, therefore if you could license more shows thus having more discs, despite the runs being around similar sizes, that you'd get a discount.
No, it's only for their releases. For the old stuff they do, it doesn't matter. But if I had a choice, I would rather have Aoi Hana on BD than on DVD. Of course, there is no choice so I just accept the fact that I have to buy the DVDs and just watch the BD quality episodes elsewhere.I guess I just don't find it that annoying because I don't feel they are holdouts in the sense they think it'll fail or whatnot but that they just don't feel their titles would sell enough for them. I don't take anything they say as some giant take on the anime bluray industry.
It's not really a debate. If we're talking about pop culture influence, it's hard to factually determine if something really popular is more popular than something else which is also very popular. Obviously if we look at an entire franchise like Pokemon, it's bigger, but largely because of the games and not the anime. If we look at DBZ and One Piece, the manga are also much more popular, sure.
But if we're talking exclusively about anime, I would say that both in Japan and internationally, Ghibli movies and DBZ are the only things that compare to what Rebuild of Evangelion is enjoying now in actual commercial value. The highest licensing fees. The highest sales. The highest TV ratings for initial broadcast and reruns. Box office success that's climbing with each subsequent movie.
Gundam? Gundam is a great general franchise for making toy models and various spin-offs and sequels, but it has never sold as much as Eva has for any individual product. Not even compared to Eva TV. It's also dead in the US. No one was happy with the commercial performance of Gundam in the US, and Bandai Entertainment died. Lol.
Let's put things in perspective. Gundam Unicorn is the best selling Gundam anime these days. One release of Eva 2.22 outsold the first FOUR volumes of Gundam Unicorn combined.
Jesus, really? How is that even possible considering that they sell their sets in two volumes? The licenses must be really cheap or BD pressing must be cheaper than I thought.
Then again, spending 9 years of your life trying to get something licensed and released is something that a sane person probably wouldn't bother doing.
They're going after the shit that no one wants... because why else would Aoi Hana be released in America? (And hopefully Wandering Son, at some point). I appreciate the work they're doing.
I just think their stance on BD to be interesting, since they are the vocal holdouts against moving to BD as a business.
Well I agree it doesn't seem to be a priority and that is disappointing as a consumer.They start off the podcast by saying how DVDs still account for most of his sales on Rightstuf, so I just don't see him changing his mind any time soon. It just doesn't seem to be a priority.
No, no, no. Lets say I license Sora no Woto and have 4 discs per set at 3 thousand sets, I assume that quote for that job would cost x amount. Now lets say I went to the same company and asked how much it'd cost to press Sora no Woto, Penquin Drum, Aria the Scarlet Ammo and, uh, Strike Witches. It owuld of course cost more, you're now doing 4 print runs but I imagine the cost per disc would actually go down.Yeah, but if it's 2500 to break even, how many discs can they even be making? 10k? It's not like they're making millions of these things like Disney does for their Ghibli releases.
(Even then, probably not millions)
I agree with that.No, it's only for their releases. For the old stuff they do, it doesn't matter. But if I had a choice, I would rather have Aoi Hana on BD than on DVD. Of course, there is no choice so I just accept the fact that I have to buy the DVDs and just watch the BD quality episodes elsewhere.
No, no, no. Lets say I license Sora no Woto and have 4 discs per set at 3 thousand sets, I assume that quote for that job would cost x amount. Now lets say I went to the same company and asked how much it'd cost to press Sora no Woto, Penquin Drum, Aria the Scarlet Ammo and, uh, Strike Witches. It owuld of course cost more, you're now doing 4 print runs but I imagine the cost per disc would actually go down.
It's not really a debate. If we're talking about pop culture influence, it's hard to factually determine if something really popular is more popular than something else which is also very popular. Obviously if we look at an entire franchise like Pokemon, it's bigger, but largely because of the games and not the anime. If we look at DBZ and One Piece, the manga are also much more popular, sure.
But if we're talking exclusively about anime, I would say that both in Japan and internationally, Ghibli movies and DBZ are the only things that compare to what Rebuild of Evangelion is enjoying now in actual commercial value. The highest licensing fees. The highest sales. The highest TV ratings for initial broadcast and reruns. Box office success that's climbing with each subsequent movie.
Gundam? Gundam is a great general franchise for making toy models and various spin-offs and sequels, but it has never sold as much as Eva has for any individual product. Not even compared to Eva TV. It's also dead in the US. No one was happy with the commercial performance of Gundam in the US, and Bandai Entertainment died. Lol.
Let's put things in perspective. Gundam Unicorn is the best selling Gundam anime these days. One release of Eva 2.22 outsold the first FOUR volumes of Gundam Unicorn combined.
If I were the animator I would have draw them wearing skin tight clothes to reveal pantsu outlines instead. Bam!
If I were the animator I would have draw them wearing skin tight clothes to reveal pantsu outlines instead. Bam!
Is Rebuild actually selling well in US? And I don't just mean in context of the anime market, but legitimately well?