There're been a lot of frame rate complaints with the EU version that the US version doesn't seem to have. The expected cause is that the EU version is the PAL 50hz release being emulated at 60hz thus causing hitches in frame rate. I don't think it's been officially confirmed that this is the case yet though. It's just the explanation that seems to make the most sense.
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There're been a lot of frame rate complaints with the EU version that the US version doesn't seem to have. The expected cause is that the EU version is the PAL 50hz release being emulated at 60hz thus causing hitches in frame rate. I don't think it's been officially confirmed that this is the case yet though. It's just the explanation that seems to make the most sense.
KennyLinder
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It doesn't bode well for when PS1 games come to PS4. Unless of course, they are region free too.
Thanks - pretty disappointing if this is the case and we still need to check whether the game had a decent PAL port before buying, or buy from the US store.
Only played the EU GTA3 so far and it seems to play pretty well. I can't remember if the GTAs were PAL optimised.
YianGaruga
Banned
I don't think anything released on PS4 so far is region locked on the system level. I wouldn't worry
KennyLinder
Member
They were, because they were developed in the UK. Same with Codemasters games (if they appear). I worked on the PS2 Colin McRae Rally games and they were 50hz only, but full screen/speed.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
What if the crash thing is just for ps1 titles and they pull all the same stops and crap?
I mean, no cross buy. Ps1 games that are all 9.99
Now there may still be a new Crash game but even if there is or isn't it would be likely with the way it says on ps3 that they would want to sell them on Ps4.
Here is my guess from what Sony has been doing.
1. They workes a deal with Activision to make crash and the 4 ps1 games 4 of the 15 first ps1 games on ps4.
2. At 9.99 or hell maybe even 15 dollars ( oh trophies and share play) and more than likely taking in a nice bir of money. it makes sense for Activision to also work out a deal on a new Crash game with Sony.
*******Now, let's remember one thing. These third party publishers were the ones foamimg at the mouth for no used games.
3. Sony plans to show publishers ways that make money, but this doesn't benefit all publishers up front. Just like Rockstar are the big winners for the most part on current ps2 selections. The selection is small but a ton of people will grab gta. Also the same can be said for square. Getting the lucrative deal is the 20 dollars port is another enticing way to get ff7 remake First.
4. If you look over the details carefully you see where gamers are losing out more than anyone. Sure, Sony and the direct publishers that are part of the deals don't lose but we and many companies lose out.
Imo this is Sony's cycle. Having a large user base can give you these options and lucrative e persuasion
In the end, it's not beneficial for us honestly.
I mean, no cross buy. Ps1 games that are all 9.99
Now there may still be a new Crash game but even if there is or isn't it would be likely with the way it says on ps3 that they would want to sell them on Ps4.
Here is my guess from what Sony has been doing.
1. They workes a deal with Activision to make crash and the 4 ps1 games 4 of the 15 first ps1 games on ps4.
2. At 9.99 or hell maybe even 15 dollars ( oh trophies and share play) and more than likely taking in a nice bir of money. it makes sense for Activision to also work out a deal on a new Crash game with Sony.
*******Now, let's remember one thing. These third party publishers were the ones foamimg at the mouth for no used games.
3. Sony plans to show publishers ways that make money, but this doesn't benefit all publishers up front. Just like Rockstar are the big winners for the most part on current ps2 selections. The selection is small but a ton of people will grab gta. Also the same can be said for square. Getting the lucrative deal is the 20 dollars port is another enticing way to get ff7 remake First.
4. If you look over the details carefully you see where gamers are losing out more than anyone. Sure, Sony and the direct publishers that are part of the deals don't lose but we and many companies lose out.
Imo this is Sony's cycle. Having a large user base can give you these options and lucrative e persuasion
In the end, it's not beneficial for us honestly.
Have they said anything on the frequency of releasing new titles? Like, are we looking at a monthly or weekly release for new titles? There are hundreds of titles I want.
Also, since I'm in EU and apparently the PAL versions run like crap, how do I download the US versions instead? American PSN account, or?
Thanks
Also, since I'm in EU and apparently the PAL versions run like crap, how do I download the US versions instead? American PSN account, or?
Thanks
Have they said anything on the frequency of releasing new titles? Like, are we looking at a monthly or weekly release for new titles? There are hundreds of titles I want.
Also, since I'm in EU and apparently the PAL versions run like crap, how do I download the US versions instead? American PSN account, or?
Thanks
Regardless I would wait for a sale, those prices are horrendous.
It's only locked in a sense that you have to purchase US dlc with a us psn account. After the purchase you can start the dlc with an EU account and be fine.
feint_ruled
Member
Couldn't resist and bought Vice City. It runs great, the up-res works well. Are there any emulator options, as there used to be on the PS3's PS2 emulator? PS buttons just seems to bring up the usual menu.
Fermbiz
Gold Member
Anyone have issues with The Mark of Kri? I get stutter or pause issues during gameplay. I dont remember that in the original game lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWkZRHWWrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hcdtGTvrNo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWkZRHWWrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hcdtGTvrNo
matrix-cat
Member
I have zero intention of ever buying from my own store. Straight to the US PSN every time for everything from the PS2 backwards; I've got no time for 50Hz in 2015. I'm just glad Sony gives you the option to create a US PSN account and buy without too much trouble; with Nintendo's Virtual Console you just have to hope they randomly decide to put out a 60Hz version, and if not you just never get to buy the game.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
What version of the game did you buy? EU or US? Seems to be done issues with the EU/UK versions of certain titles.
Fermbiz
Gold Member
I'm in the US so the US version... I hope lol.
I should also clarify that it usually happens during battles.
Agent X
Member
I'm with you on this. If they had made PS2 classics cross-buy between PS3 & PS4, then I'd be happy to buy some. Now I refuse to buy any.
When Microsoft brought Xbox 360 games to Xbox One a few months ago, they boasted "we don't make you pay again to play your old games". It wasn't a true statement about Sony at the time (rather, it was a dig at the PS Now rental program), but Sony foolishly made it true.
That's what I'm afraid of, also. If they can pull this stunt with PS2 classics on PS4, then what's to say they won't do the same with PS1 classics on PS4?
Sony took a lot of the goodwill and consumer confidence that they've built up over the last few years, and flushed it down the toilet.
Pharadigma
Member
This is unfortunately not true in Rogue Galaxy's case. I've bought both the EU and US versions and they both perform horribly. It doesn't have anything to do with the refresh rate, it's just really shoddy emulation. It's weird that not everyone seem to have the problem.
A quick seatch on youtube gave me at least two let's plays with the same performance hiccups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbnQ-5zpAtw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0peiRny2a3Q
Rated-Rsuperstar
Member
Is there anything about Mark of Kri that makes it a must play? Be it story or combat?
Hmm. Well I own the game as well but I've been obsessively playing Rogue Galaxy so I can't speak to the framerate stability of Mark of Kri. Sorry man. Maybe try doing a database rebuild?
Weird the only frame skips I've had are when entering or exiting the menus. I've been twitch streaming every time I've played the game. I wonder if it reduces the rendering resolution to fit the smaller window whilst streaming. That might explain why the framerate seems so solid for me.
ElRenoRaven
Member
Hey that's all good. To each their own. For me it was to much jousting awhile the PS3 version had a little less of that feeling. Now I'll admit PS3 needed the vehicles specials to feel more special like the older games and 1 character to each vehicle but other then that I loved it. That's the beauty of the franchise. Each game feels a bit different. More so with the 2 that weren't made by Jaffe and co but hell I still love those 2 games also. I'm probably the only person on the planet that does too. LMAO
hit and miss. GTA and Vice City are much better. GTA 3 is apparently rough. Dark Cloud and Rogue Galaxy are about the same
GarciaHotspur
Member
wrong thread sorry
RPGCrazied
Member
And this is what I'm getting, it stutters, mostly when panning the camera around, or the screen pans. And in battles it gets iffy.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
They really did bare minimum work to these games
RPGCrazied
Member
There is no options at all like the PS2 emulator had on PS3. It had screen smoothing and options to image to fit the TV. I see 0 options on PS4's PS2 emulator. Sure hope its going to get updated soon.
I would legit pay 150$ for a sequel on kickstarter, Jaffe!
But they added trophies!! That alone makes the high price worth it!(sarcasm)
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Having so much fun with rogue galaxy and ffvii lol been switching back anf forth all morning. Hoping people get over the situation soon would love to see what first timers think of some games
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Are these games expensive? It's less than an hours work for most people? Aren't the people who made this worth any money? Rogue Galaxy is a pretty big game, from my understanding, what makes it less worthy of money? I'd argue that pricing it at $60 would be stupid because there's no market for it but why should they feel obliged to give them away for free or for less then they're worth? By releasing them at this price point they maintain a good value and makes it possible to offer good discounts in the long run helping the exposure of these games. By making money and attracting a bigger audience without devaluing the work, it helps games like this getting released.
I picked your post mainly because it was the latest in a long, tired rant of gamers wanting something for cheap. This mentality needs to stop. If they had released them for $5 they'd make far less money and would devalue the work to the degree that other publishers wouldn't want to invest in the market.
Long story short: they're worth the asking price. They're worth more. And we as gamers benefit from this price-point in the long run.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
I think they are trying to give time for the backlash to die down and then they will add in more
Karspankey
Banned
Jack The Nipper
Banned
It didn't cost them. These games didn't have a developer creating them.
There isn't a reason for them to be fifty percent higher.
You have an emulator doing all it takes is throwing the game at it to get it working. Adding trophies should brake how many people? A competent person can do it.
Hell, look how big the teams are for these games on Kickstartwr. Some of them are one guy making the whole game.
These games have no art work, modeling etc to be done
There are many reasons to be unamused .
If Sony was going in game code , changing fonts, changing game code and mixing cameras to add true wide-screen support or redoing all textures to make them true hd then ok, the price is nice. None of this is happening i feel people didn't get it before but atleast people who played them started to get it.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
Sorry for the drive by pist, but are these games running natively 1080p or is it just an upscale job?
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Damn!! Need that now!! Id drop ffvii and rogue in a heartbeat to play dark cloud 2 firstOur lovely pal Wario64 was at the PSX event and shared some more info on his twitter:
He also says he has no info on when we'll see Dark Cloud 2.
I think they just got the license for DC2 when we first got the leak about this. If there's a new batch released the 15:th hopefully DC2 will be included. At least that's my giant hope!
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Is the performance really that bad on Dark Cloud and Rogue Galaxy? And do we know for sure that the EU version is more troublesome?
I'm playing the U.S. Rogue Galaxy and it's not unplayable but pretty rough. Feel bad for you EU guys if that version is worse. It's been forever since I've played the PS2 version of it so I'm not sure how it runs compared to that. I may hook up my 60 gob PS3 later to see how it does there.
This just kind of feels like Sony really half assing it and hoping people will shut up about BC. I ultimately only paid about $5 for Rogue Galaxy so I guess I can't complain that much, but I wish they would have put more effort in this.
RPGCrazied
Member
Upscale, while it does look sharper, there is many jaggies still.
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