FBI reviewing emails found on devices used by Weiner/Abedin
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diablos991
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NPR is rigged!
I said damn. Lol
Morrigan Stark
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Oh please. I dare say you're insulting real abuse victims by with this ridiculous hyperbole.
Escape Goat
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hay guise whats going on in this thread
Go home Roger
Escape Goat
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I guess now is not a good time to talk about my Kim dotcom theories again
it will never be a good time
this includes theories about kim dotcom, bigfoot, or d.b. cooper
What about the Greys?
SoundofSilence
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Point well taken, sir.
there is literally a better chance that a more relevant conversation may happen in the future about aliens than about kim dotcom
M.W.
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Nothing to worry about.
It is too late though. Early voting is already happening, Hillary is leading more than enough battleground states to win. Her numbers would have to implode at a level never before seen in politics for this to change. A story bigger than the FBI Director being an abominable dick would need to occur.
BlastProcessing
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If you want to be worried, that is fine. I would suggest taking an inventory of what you could reasonably do to help your candidate(s) of choice succeed. From something as small as making sure 5 friends vote, to driving people to the polls, to making phone calls and knocking on doors.
I understand that your personal situation might make these unfeasible, but if you care enough about the outcome to worry, then you might be better served to do something about it.
If you are already doing these things then, go you!
Yeah, I suppose it could go in any way for the senate. Hopefully Trump's shit campaign hurts Senate chances, and undoubtedly it will, but the GOP has good ground game in Senate swing states and congressional elections, unfortunately.
It's also worth nothing that 538 is being very conservative about Hillary's chances as well. Other sites have her in the 90's. The real battle this election, as with 2012 and 2008, will be down ballot. Luckily the democrats have a natural advantage on election years, but we'll see if that will be enough.
Imagine being a young libertarian and despite the statistics and evidence, every crazy bootstrap rich guy fairytale you believed in actually feels like it has happened to you. You'd probably wear atlas shrugged jammies and eat foie gras sandwiches all day.
BlastProcessing
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I believe they call that going gout.
I have gout and have never eaten foi gras. I feel cheated.
gutter_trash
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ryutaro's mama
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FTFY
streetsahead123
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Worth noting that this development won't be reflected in polls until later next week and in turn 538's model won't fully capture the trend for a few days after that, so we likely won't know how this impacts her chances for at least another week.
But she had enough of an advantage to take a hit and still be in a good position. Not to mention, 20% of votes are already in.
And the electoral college still works in her favor. If Trump loses two states out of North Carolina, Florida, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire, we can all go to bed early on election night.
But she had enough of an advantage to take a hit and still be in a good position. Not to mention, 20% of votes are already in.
And the electoral college still works in her favor. If Trump loses two states out of North Carolina, Florida, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire, we can all go to bed early on election night.
TheLaughingStock
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Worked for Eric Holder. And probably will for Loretta Lynch.
I kinda feel like this will only make people harden their position, and won't change anyone's mind. If you think Hillary is a corrupt criminal, it's just one more piece of evidence confirming your suspicion. If you think she's a decent politician who has been the victim of a decades-long witch-hunt, then this is just another witch-hunt. If you were an iffy, reluctant supporter of Clinton but find Trump abominable, a completely inconclusive vague investigation isn't going to be enough to make you flip to the other side.
So if I have this right, Comey basically said:
1) I know our policy is that we don't inform Congress of the status ongoing investigations.
2) I know it's also another policy of the Department of Justice not to announce anything that might influence elections that are less than 60 days away.
3) I have not looked at any of the emails and have no idea what's in them. For all I know every single email is a duplicate of one we already have.
4) I understand this letter is likely to be 'misunderstood' and cause an incredible shitstorm and have an huge impact on the election in 11 days.
5) Given all that, I've decided to send a vague letter to Congress making no claims at all that will still end up as front page news for days and possibly swing the most important election in generations.
There's two results here, right? Either there is serious wrongdoing in the emails in which case Comey isn't being fair to Trump because he didn't say there was anything wrong here. Or the emails are just like all the other ones -- or even duplicates -- and there's absolutely nothing changed about the investigation in which case this is unfair to Clinton. A letter like this is the wrong move morally in any case.
I can't imagine a politically neutral motive for a letter like this other than maybe Comey the least politically savvy person in the world or something. It seems more likely this is just a way to hurt Clinton, and they can announce weeks later "oh yeah, we found nothing, lolz." I guess it's a possibility Clinton says, "I killed JFK with Cruz's father." in the emails and this is all Comey's way of underplaying that to help her. But I think its way more likely that this batch of emails will not be substantively different than the others.
1) I know our policy is that we don't inform Congress of the status ongoing investigations.
2) I know it's also another policy of the Department of Justice not to announce anything that might influence elections that are less than 60 days away.
3) I have not looked at any of the emails and have no idea what's in them. For all I know every single email is a duplicate of one we already have.
4) I understand this letter is likely to be 'misunderstood' and cause an incredible shitstorm and have an huge impact on the election in 11 days.
5) Given all that, I've decided to send a vague letter to Congress making no claims at all that will still end up as front page news for days and possibly swing the most important election in generations.
There's two results here, right? Either there is serious wrongdoing in the emails in which case Comey isn't being fair to Trump because he didn't say there was anything wrong here. Or the emails are just like all the other ones -- or even duplicates -- and there's absolutely nothing changed about the investigation in which case this is unfair to Clinton. A letter like this is the wrong move morally in any case.
I can't imagine a politically neutral motive for a letter like this other than maybe Comey the least politically savvy person in the world or something. It seems more likely this is just a way to hurt Clinton, and they can announce weeks later "oh yeah, we found nothing, lolz." I guess it's a possibility Clinton says, "I killed JFK with Cruz's father." in the emails and this is all Comey's way of underplaying that to help her. But I think its way more likely that this batch of emails will not be substantively different than the others.
The only thing you get wrong here is that the Trump and his campaign have absolutely nothing to do with the investigation of Hillary's emails. Or at least, that SHOULD be the case. So whether or not this is "fair" to Trump shouldn't have a damn thing to do with anything. However, breaking standard protocol and releasing such a vague statement DOES have an affect on Hillary, and that should matter.
The only explanation I can come up with to explain Comey's actions here other than blatant partisanship (and, sorry folks, but that's still the most fitting explanation based on what we know) is that he was trying to cover his own ass, and his own reputation as being non-partisan. He angered Republicans by not indicting Hillary Clinton, so commenting on the email investigation in a way that undeniably helps Republicans is his way of maintaining his own reputation as neutral despite his party affiliation.
Only...he still sullied the credibility of not only himself, but the entire FBI by doing this. The FBI is supposed to be above shit like "which party does this hurt?" when conducting investigations.
diablos991
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A neutral motive could be the local police investigating Weiner found something and threatened to go public if the FBI didn't act.
Realistically we won't know jack until the FBI speaks up or there is a leak. My money is on that not happening in time for the election.
..if the FBI doesn't have a warrant to even view the emails in question this motive doesn't make sense.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Do the local investigators on the Weiner case have a warrant?
Local authorities could be giving cliff notes to the FBI about what they discovered and the threat to go public would force the FBI directors hand if he wants to remain out of federal prison.
This scenario still holds true the FBI hasn't been issued their warrant to view the emails and would show why the FBI director would dare make a statement like that so close to an election.
Again, just trying to come up with ideas.
That's still really dumb because a proper investigator in that situation would first ascertain if there's any veracity to the emails before shooting his mouth. And that this is a really stupid scenario.
I've been on the road for a bit, so I apologize for asking, but could omeone break this whole thing down for me? What is upsetting about the emails, etc etc.
It's not going to change my mind, I've already voted (for Hilary) but I like to try and stay informed. And it's hard to find a source that isn't either hyperbolic or just taking about the FBI director guy.
It's not going to change my mind, I've already voted (for Hilary) but I like to try and stay informed. And it's hard to find a source that isn't either hyperbolic or just taking about the FBI director guy.
There are so many loops here I don't even.... Local authorities would literally be able to give the FBI the full emails in this case and the FBI wouldn't even need to get a warrant.
The FBI director doesn't know what's in the emails, they could just be duplicates of emails already turned over and the FBI doesn't even have a warrant to look at said emails. No one knows what's upsetting about the emails but it's enough for people like diablos to make several strange leaps of logic.
What? This is so ridiculously far fetched. I mean seriously?
diablos991
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Anybody see this letter from Congress to the FBI that was sent a day before the Director's statements?
Another possible angle but this theory seems like a stretch.
https://oversight.house.gov/wp-cont...BI-Alleged-Conflict-of-Interest-due-11-10.pdf
Another possible angle but this theory seems like a stretch.
https://oversight.house.gov/wp-cont...BI-Alleged-Conflict-of-Interest-due-11-10.pdf
excelsiorlef
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Legit question, how long have you been a ghost?
I thought it self-explanatory that verbal abuse (over a net forum, no less) isn't as egregious as most, if not all, other forms that abuse can take. Yeah, it's garden-variety as abuse goes. Still not a level we should be sinking to.
diablos991
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I don't understand the terminology here. What do you mean by "been a ghost"?
Is it bad to guess why the director did this?
It really does seem to be an action taken for no other reason than throwing red meat into the arena. Before it came out that they didn't even have a warrant I was giving Comey the benefit of the doubt and thinking he was just trying to preserve the FBI's credibility with republicans, but since they don't even have a warrant... Yeah...
excelsiorlef
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Transparent.
People who offer up conspiracy theories under just asking questions are transparent.
So basically, they heard there were some emails that might have a connection to Hilary, and decided to toss gasoline on the ire by announcing it in a way that implied said emails,,which they haven't even read, we're naughty. Nice.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Then isn't a person stating the theory that this was done purely due to the Director's historical political party preference also being a ghost? (Since that is also just a theory)
Lot less loops to jump through than the totured conspiracy theories you're trotting out and every drip of info that comes out points to the Director not even having a clue as to the contents of Huma's email on this computer are. In fact, the director's own letter pretty much says he doesn't know if there's anything there.
And the whole fact that they're trying to get a warrant to look at the emails after dropping a bombshell and it's hard to assume that Comey's not doing this for politics without making up a conspiracy theory.
No. At least that can explain why the director of the FBI would act in such an inappropriate, unethical, and unprofessional manner.
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