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[CharlieDigital]

TLook at the last 150 years alone. The ban on slaving. Child poverty laws. Workers rights. Equalities.

Thing is, those are exactly some of the reasons why old white conservatives hate the government.

In a sense, there is a kind of zero-sum scenario where as you give minorities and women more rights, it will obviously affect white males given that there are only a finite pool of jobs and wages to be earned.

So yeah, there's a reason why the conservative movement is so overwhelmingly old and white and male.

 

[belvedere]

I know I'm way lttp, but holy fucking hell at the Obamacare and socialism comparisons I'm seeing on social media. I don't know how I'm surprised, but I am. 'murica.

 

[CharlieDigital]

I know I'm way lttp, but holy fucking hell at the Obamacare and socialism comparisons I'm seeing on social media. I don't know how I'm surprised, but I am. 'murica.

ACA is more aligned with corporatism than socialism; it compels everyone to pay for health insurance provided through private entities that reap the taxpayer's monies. Even Medicare puts taxpayer dollars into the pockets of doctors and care providers in exchange for service.

 

[Sectorseven]

An acquaintance told me this regulation is bad and is going to allow the government to charge licensing fees for starting up websites and also charge fees for linking to copyrighted information, like a news page on CNBC, for example. He also said something about the interstate commerce law and the government effectively being able to control the sale of goods and the flow of information as they see fit.

 

[Penguin]

An acquaintance told me this regulation is bad and is going to allow the government to charge licensing fees for starting up websites and also charge fees for linking to copyrighted information, like a news page on CNBC, for example. He also said something about the interstate commerce law and the government effectively being able to control the sale of goods and the flow of information as they see fit.

It's easy to confuse people it seems.

Trying to explain now to my friend who was all for it up until this morning and started with the usual talking points.

 

[demon]

An acquaintance told me this regulation is bad and is going to allow the government to charge licensing fees for starting up websites and also charge fees for linking to copyrighted information, like a news page on CNBC, for example. He also said something about the interstate commerce law and the government effectively being able to control the sale of goods and the flow of information as they see fit.

It also has death panels, will take all your guns away and establish Sharia law across the land.

 

[jmood88]

ACA is more aligned with corporatism than socialism; it compels everyone to pay for health insurance provided through private entities that reap the taxpayer's monies. Even Medicare puts taxpayer dollars into the pockets of doctors and care providers in exchange for service.

The ACA was a conservative solution to the healthcare access problem and republican opposition just further proves that they're simply against anything that Obama and the democrats support. They don't want what's best for the country at all.

 

[LiK]

So does this mean that AT&T will have to stop throttling my unlimited lte?

one of the goals.

 

[Jonm1010]

i hope this isn't the end of the FCC's actions.

I really would love to see the opening up of the telephone infrastructure to competitors outside of the monopolies so it can accelerate things like Google Fiber.

to me that is where competition will come in as a force for good.

 

[Fenderputty]

i hope this isn't the end of the FCC's actions.

I really would love to see the opening up of the telephone infrastructure to competitors outside of the monopolies so it can accelerate things like Google Fiber.

to me that is where competition will come in as a force for good.

I think Hillary implied as much when she said she though more could be done on this front.

 

[RDreamer]

Anyone know what this does to AT&T's throttling of unlimited data plans?

They were throttling me pretty badly for a little bit, though I haven't noticed it as much lately, despite using the same amount of data. I'd still be ecstatic if they couldn't at all.

 

[fader]

An acquaintance told me this regulation is bad and is going to allow the government to charge licensing fees for starting up websites and also charge fees for linking to copyrighted information, like a news page on CNBC, for example. He also said something about the interstate commerce law and the government effectively being able to control the sale of goods and the flow of information as they see fit.

wow. you know you are on the wrong side when you are making up lies like these to tell people since you telling them the actual truth why you don't want net neutrality will make them against you.

 

[Cynar]

Anyone know what this does to AT&T's throttling of unlimited data plans?

They were throttling me pretty badly for a little bit, though I haven't noticed it as much lately, despite using the same amount of data. I'd still be ecstatic if they couldn't at all.

Nothing at all. As that's not what it was about. It was more about preventing toll roads and not prioritizing traffic from one competitor over the other just cause money.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

I just realized now that the dream I had about Net Neutrality last night didn't actually happen.

In my dream, after the FCC made it's announcement, the House of Representatives had an emergency vote. Apparently, because of some old loophole, they could still override the FCC with a majority vote and get rid of Net Neutrality forever. So we were all on GAF watching the vote happen live on C-Span or whatever. Everyone was sure it wouldn't get overturned anyway, but as the votes kept coming in, it was a tie. People started to freak out because it was supposed to win by a landslide. And then when the last vote came in, it was a guy everyone expected to vote for Net Neutrality. But he voted to overturn it, so it failed and everyone was super bummed out. Then we all went to bed, and all morning I've been kind of bummed out because I went to bed so sad last night. But it turns out that that was all a weird dream.

 

[RDreamer]

Nothing at all. As that's not what it was about. It was more about preventing toll roads and not prioritizing traffic from one competitor over the other just cause money.

I know that's what it was mostly about, I was just wondering if any of the provisions had touched on something like that and I had missed them, since I saw a few people on another board mentioning that.

 

[inm8num2]

The FCC's net neutrality ruling: 5 things you need to know (PC World)

 

[willow ve]

Anyone know what this does to AT&T's throttling of unlimited data plans?

They were throttling me pretty badly for a little bit, though I haven't noticed it as much lately, despite using the same amount of data. I'd still be ecstatic if they couldn't at all.

Nothing. Companies can still throttle, they just can't pick and choose which services get throttled.

In theory ALL of your data could be slowed down, to maintain network stability (read your TOS), but they can't throttle Youtube while at the same time allowing Vimeo full speed.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

There are no such things as "bandwidth hogs". ISPs are not charged for downloading. Meaning when you stream a Netflix video, you are technically downloading it to your computer. An increase in ingress/download traffic does not incur additional charges to ISPs by Tier 1 transit companies. Egress/Upload traffic is, and is only paid by the person doing the uploading. Meaning Netflix, as their upload/egress streaming traffic to users increase, are already paying their direct peers/ISPs for the additional load. What Comcast/TW/ATT/etc want to do is effectively double charge Netflix for services that Netflix already pays for.

Secondly, the industry already has an industry created method for negating increased costs due to upload/egress. This is called Peering Exchange. ISPs and content providers setup routers in a central location, directly connect to each other, and provide free transit from each network to each other. The only cost to an ISP or content provider in this situation is the cost of hardware and rack space at the peering exchange location. While pricey to the layman, it is significantly cheaper than paying increased transit costs.

My ISP has peers with Netflix, Google/Youtube, Apple, DropBox, and several other ISPs. We have a high capacity router in a peer exchange located in Chicago. Comcast does not offer peering services, effectively increasing their own costs because it doesn't work with their politicking.

No one is saying that a website with 400 viewers a month has to be treated the same as a website with 1,000,000 viewers a month. The restriction says that an ISP can't purposefully prevent a user from accessing a website that only receives 400 views a month for artificial reasons. The restriction also says that a website with 400 viewers a month can not be charged twice for a product that the second fee issuer has no association with.

 

[Ryuuroden]

Echoing the racist parents problem... before the Fox News filter my mom was for Net Neutrality. Now King Obama has ruined our internet.

And she wonders why I don't call her every day. lol

Before Obama got elected I didn't know how many racist fucks I knew personally. After he got elected and these people started calling him King Jigaboo I was just like wtf sort of country am I living in. I had never even heard the term Jigaboo until after Obama was elected. And they say racism is over.....

The saddest part of it all is, some of these people actually normally voted Democrat because they are Union members. I am not going to go around saying Conservatives hold the racism monopoly, just the majority of it.

 

[Little Green Yoda]

The FCC's net neutrality ruling: 5 things you need to know (PC World)

Does Title II mean more competition in broadband?

Probably not. As part of the FCC vote on Thursday the commission explicitly ruled out forcing the ISPs to share their networks with competitors. That means market dominance by one ISP in local markets will not be broken as a result of the FCC ruling. Some are arguing that because of this the FCC ruling does little to change problems with U.S. broadband services, such as the aforementioned high prices and slow speeds.

That's kinda lame.

 

[AstroNut325]

That's kinda lame.

One small step at a time. It will take continuous pressure from the general public on the FCC and the executive branch AND the legislative branch of the US government to see further, meaningful change.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

Really the only thing that I do agree with ATT/Comcast/etc on is the ability to restrict services to their own customers. But proper service tiers and QoS/policing is an easy solution to that.

 

[Sobriquet]

Wake me up when the government passes laws that are good for the people.

*poke poke*

Wake up! Net neutrality was passed.

 

[NastyBook]

Fuck it

Obama is Aizen.

There I said it.

Telecoms: We only unsealed his mouth. So how...did he pass...Net neutrality?

 

[FyreWulff]

Really the only thing that I do agree with ATT/Comcast/etc on is the ability to restrict services to their own customers. But proper service tiers and QoS/policing is an easy solution to that.

They're not the service though. They're providing transit to the actual services.


Sending 10101011 from one site doesn't cost them more than 10101011 from another. And if we had https everywhere, on every site, they couldn't even tell what 10101011 actually is. They wouldn't have to care, saving them money

 

[Epsilon-delta]

Before Obama got elected I didn't know how many racist fucks I knew personally. After he got elected and these people started calling him King Jigaboo I was just like wtf sort of country am I living in. I had never even heard the term Jigaboo until after Obama was elected. And they say racism is over.....

I haven't heard someone use Jigaboo since I was in grade school (80s kid).

It's an old, Southern racist term, and people who use it are more than likely to be in their 30s or older.

 

[BobLoblaw]

I cannot understand how anyone that did any kind of investigation would be against net neutrality unless they had vested interests in the business.

Can we just start reposting this to Facebook, Twitter, etc. in order to explain what this "change" actually means to those anti-net neutrality idiots out there?

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

They're not the service though. They're providing transit to the actual services.


Sending 10101011 from one site doesn't cost them more than 10101011 from another. And if we had https everywhere, on every site, they couldn't even tell what 10101011 actually is. They wouldn't have to care, saving them money

ATT (for example) provides access to service and last mile infrastructure. They don't need to know the specifics of your data to know if you're constantly maxed out your connection and people who constantly flatline their bandwidth potentially affect the services of other local ATT customers.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Why isn't the FCC getting involved in pricing? Shouldn't the internet be priced just above cost?

its gonna be priced what people will pay they dont need to regulate that , but they do need to stop ISP's from dicking over people just because they are using some of their machines/routers/servers for a gateway.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

Why isn't the FCC getting involved in pricing? Shouldn't the internet be priced just above cost?

Depends. While things like $50 a month for 6mb DSL is obviously bullshit, I don't see much wrong with the $50 for 50mb plan I have with Comcast, or the similar plan I had with ATT a few years back.

 

[Jonm1010]

its gonna be priced what people will pay they dont need to regulate that , but they do need to stop ISP's from dicking over people just because they are using some of their machines/routers/servers for a gateway.

Ahhhh not exactly. If a company is being given a de facto monopoly and the good being sold is essentielly a necessity of economic life, the company essentially can set the price much higher then it would be in a perfectly competitive marketplace and customers will have to pay it.

So you are right, it's gonna be priced what people are gonna pay but that pricing is going to be much higher then in a truly competitive market or one with good regulations.

 

[AstroNut325]

Have any of the upcoming GOP Presidential candidates chimed in on this? Christy? Jeb? Walker?

 

[CharlieDigital]

its gonna be priced what people will pay they dont need to regulate that...

This is only true if there is competition.

Because most areas are a duopoly or worse, a monopoly, what people are "willing" to pay isn't reflective of a true market rate.

They are only "willing" to pay it because there are no other options.

This is why areas where municipal fiber and Google fiber have penetrated, established players like Comcast and Verizon have had to lower their prices to actual market rates.

 

[Link]

The FCC's net neutrality ruling: 5 things you need to know (PC World)

As part of the FCC vote on Thursday the commission explicitly ruled out forcing the ISPs to share their networks with competitors.

That's a bit disappointing.

 

[Thick James]

Can we just start reposting this to Facebook, Twitter, etc. in order to explain what this "change" actually means to those anti-net neutrality idiots out there?

I like to think I made a difference

 

[Lilalaunebaer]

Good on you US-Gaf. Really glad that happened, if it didn´t it might have spread to other parts of the world (not necessarily, but possible).

The best part is that it all started with verizon, suing. And now they are so salty that they sent out a letter in fucking morse-code. Let that sink in for a moment, lol. They so salty i´m dehydrating.

And WOW, that there are actually people, that are against net-neutrality. (Not even those, that don´t understand the issue, but those that understand it, but still are against it). Are you against health-care too? Do you think the earth is flat? How is there even a discussion.

 

[FyreWulff]

its gonna be priced what people will pay they dont need to regulate that , but they do need to stop ISP's from dicking over people just because they are using some of their machines/routers/servers for a gateway.

This doesn't work for most of the US where you only have a monopoly or a duopoly.

For instance, in Omaha, Nebraska:

Cable Internet and Phone: Cox Cable
DSL Internet and Phone: CenturyLink

Guess which service actually has low prices

Spoiler

Phone, because it's the only one with real competition between tons of companies due to making the phone infrastructure public

 

[BoboBrazil]

Reading more, they should have allowed companies to use the same pipes like with electricity. That's a shame that wasn't included.

 

[GregLombardi]

its gonna be priced what people will pay they dont need to regulate that , but they do need to stop ISP's from dicking over people just because they are using some of their machines/routers/servers for a gateway.

Actually, in a situation with markets that have clear, unquestioned MONOPOLIES they very much do need to regulate that.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/26/comcast-we-will-sue-to-slow-the-web.html

Comcast can't spend the money to upgrade their infrastructure but they can spend the money to sue.

 

[Sulik2]

Reading more, they should have allowed companies to use the same pipes like with electricity. That's a shame that wasn't included.

This is called local loop unbundling and I think privately all the ISPs view Title II as pulling the wool over people's eyes. They couldn't stop it for peering, but they get to maintain their regional monopolies and all that money.

 

[Ryuuroden]

I haven't heard someone use Jigaboo since I was in grade school (80s kid).

It's an old, Southern racist term, and people who use it are more than likely to be in their 30s or older.

Electing a black president brought all the racist fucks back out of the closet. Racism never disappeared, it just went and hid till it had a opportunity to go full out fuck all minorities again. Having a black president apparently provided an "awesome" opportunity for all of Americas ignorant social neanderthals to spread their filth back into American dialogue.

 

[Fenderputty]

Ahhhh not exactly. If a company is being given a de facto monopoly and the good being sold is essentielly a necessity of economic life, the company essentially can set the price much higher then it would be in a perfectly competitive marketplace and customers will have to pay it.

So you are right, it's gonna be priced what people are gonna pay but that pricing is going to be much higher then in a truly competitive market or one with good regulations.

I would be happy with no price regulation if they actually force competition.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/26/comcast-we-will-sue-to-slow-the-web.html

Comcast can't spend the money to upgrade their infrastructure but they can spend the money to sue.

 

[BoboBrazil]

This is called local loop unbundling and I think privately all the ISPs view Title II as pulling the wool over people's eyes. They couldn't stop it for peering, but they get to maintain their regional monopolies and all that money.

Yeah, it basically means it stays the same instead of these companies fucking us even more. It doesn't really bring any of the change that is actually needed.

 

[benjipwns]

This doesn't work for most of the US where you only have a monopoly or a duopoly.

For instance, in Omaha, Nebraska:

Cable Internet and Phone: Cox Cable
DSL Internet and Phone: CenturyLink

Guess which service actually has low prices

Spoiler

Phone, because it's the only one with real competition between tons of companies due to making the phone infrastructure public

There's also a good chance there was an exclusive license granted Cox by Omaha.

And the CLECs regulation was made because of the original monopoly granted the ILECs lol.

 

[Interfectum]

Before Obama got elected I didn't know how many racist fucks I knew personally. After he got elected and these people started calling him King Jigaboo I was just like wtf sort of country am I living in. I had never even heard the term Jigaboo until after Obama was elected. And they say racism is over.....

The saddest part of it all is, some of these people actually normally voted Democrat because they are Union members. I am not going to go around saying Conservatives hold the racism monopoly, just the majority of it.

I was at the gym this morning and I heard one old guy say to another in the locker room "looks like King Boogaboo (?) is taking our internet away as well."

Fox News is poison.

 

[SimleuqiR]

Comedy fucking gold. Really great batch of juniors lately.

Astroturfing in GAF?

 

[Quotient]

The fact that the ISP's are upset at this clearly demonstrates they were planning on introducing tier'ed speeds.

 

[B-Dubs]

Astroturfing in GAF?

Wouldn't be the first time