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[Grizzlyjin]

I'm still a bit confused by what the military is doing. Moreso at the medical facility. They're taking people away by force, but then they're actually treating them. Is everyone in those cages presumed to be ill, like what happened with Nick? Cause it kinda seems like they were arbitrarily dragging people away...but we also know that they're attempting to save people there too. So they're doing both? It just seems a bit inconsistent.

Direction and cinematography is a step above The Walking Dead. Although, the main series started improving in that regard in its 5th season.

I'm still digging it.

 

[brochiller]

People used to love daryl
And carol
And glenn
Even rick

Now i dont know anymore because people are getting kinda sick of The Walking Dead on the internet and bullets are flying everywhere. Even those old fan favorites arent getting spared

(And i think Fear is in fact hurting the whole walking dead brand with its terrible characters... it feels like its reminding people that The Walking Dead never got to be very good...)

Well I like those characters. ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[More_Badass]

People used to love daryl
And carol
And glenn
Even rick

Now i dont know anymore because people are getting kinda sick of The Walking Dead on the internet and bullets are flying everywhere. Even those old fan favorites arent getting spared

(And i think Fear is in fact hurting the whole walking dead brand with its terrible characters... it feels like its reminding people that The Walking Dead never got to be very good...)

The vocal Internet impressions aren't exactly representative of the average person

 

[Apoc29]

Mexican guy and well-dressed black guy are currently the best characters, but since they're minorities they are 100% zombie meat.

There's no way a real military would ever lose to the zombies. They didn't show what happened inside the building they were clearing because it would've been too stupid to see them getting ambushed by mindless corpses. I guess they kind of explained it away by saying they were a bunch of kids, not warriors, but still.

 

[Pilgrimzero]

I'm still a bit confused by what the military is doing. Moreso at the medical facility. They're taking people away by force, but then they're actually treating them. Is everyone in those cages presumed to be ill, like what happened with Nick? Cause it kinda seems like they were arbitrarily dragging people away...but we also know that they're attempting to save people there too. So they're doing both? It just seems a bit inconsistent.

Direction and cinematography is a step above The Walking Dead. Although, the main series started improving in that regard in its 5th season.

I'm still digging it.

People who are "sick" are taken away from the healthy humans.

If they don't appear to get any better they are moved out of gen pop and put in more medical-ly quarters.

If they die they are dealt with.

The military is trying to keep people alive. Except those outside of a safe zone that is.

Which is funny that "Cobalt" is "kill everyone" as a safety measure as opposed to just "let them fend for them selves.

But we saw this in S1 os Walking Dead. The soldiers killing everyone in the hospital.

The apparently see it as "Best to kill them now instead of being potential zombies."

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

They mentioned they got orders from command to initial Cobalt. I really want to see this from the perspective of whatever authority is left. Too bad Kirkman doesn't want to do stuff like that.

Instead we get another bunch of bumbling idiots. If next season is longer than 6 episodes I'll wait for it to finish and read impressions before I watch.

 

[crazyrabbits]

There's no way a real military would ever lose to the zombies. They didn't show what happened inside the building they were clearing because it would've been too stupid to see them getting ambushed by mindless corpses. I guess they kind of explained it away by saying they were a bunch of kids, not warriors, but still.

Moyers characterizing his men as "kids" was for Travis' benefit. You can tell he's being sarcastic during that scene, but is playing nice only because he doesn't want the residents to start making a stink. Notice he even refers to Travis as "Mr. Mayor".

It's also hinted that Moyers got fragged by his own men inside the building. They were dismissive of him when they left.

Like I said on the previous page, any "real" military would be subject to the problems the guys here face - namely, anyone with a family is going to bug out, and/or the pressure will eventually get to them.

 

[The Artisan]

societal collapse shouldn't be depicted passed the first season, not unless they plan on giving an explanation to how it started (which they probably won't). so next episode should have the world end.

 

[Fliesen]

societal collapse shouldn't be depicted passed the first season, not unless they plan on giving an explanation to how it started (which they probably won't). so next episode should have the world end.

some would argue that the world has already ended and our protagonists just aren't aware of that yet

 

[Ricker]

Forgot this was only 6 episodes so I was surprised when I saw the Season Finale next week preview at the end there...was hoping for more,I liked this very much...although the whole destroying the stuff inside the house by the 2 teens was a little dumb and out of nowhere...

 

[Enduin]

Forgot this was only 6 episodes so I was surprised when I saw the Season Finale next week preview at the end there...was hoping for more,I liked this very much...although the whole destroying the stuff inside the house by the 2 teens was a little dumb and out of nowhere...

Kinda, but not really. Both are young, but not that young, and they don't have much say or control over what's going on and they are completely at the mercy of others, their parents and the military. His mom just seemingly ditched him, her brother is gone and her BF is without question dead, their whole world has fallen apart. They're confused, helpless and most of all frustrated. Breaking shit can be cathartic. So it's not completely random or unreasonable. Though I think both need to be developed a lot better than they have been so far.

I feel like Travis is not going be this shows Rick. It's Madison. She's shown lots of instances of being dark and cold blooded, but not Shane levels of crazy, though she has been a bit too clueless at times. But overall she seems like the character that most willing, and possibly able, to walk that line of doing what is necessary to keep the group alive, but not going over the edge completely.

Travis though is like if Dale or Hershel were the leaders of the group, he's trying to maintain his humanity and be diplomatic and reasoned, except he's still young and inexperienced compared to those two. While Salazar is Shane who can control himself and has seen some shit and is going to be the guy pushing them down that darker path showing them what needs to be done, but not always aware of when enough is enough.

I'd rather see Liza bite it than Ophelia. But I doubt either will. They'll want to keep the two wives tension for a bit longer and Ophelia is going to be Salazar's last link of humanity. If she does ever die it will be at a point where they want to totally break Salazar so he can completely go beast mode.

I really really like Strand, he seems more like a con-man/gambler than anything else. I hope he becomes a major player. The way he talks and delivers his lines is just awesome. He seems like a guy who always has an angle and it will be interesting to see how he manages to keep that up when everything really goes to shit.

The doctor and soldier both seem like they could step up to be regulars but I get the feeling neither will. Nick so far I think has been good, but they need to step the kid's game up. Alicia and Chris aren't terrible, but they need to be more than just angsty kids. And both decent actors so they can definitely be more.

 

[Mario]

Caught up on the last two episodes last night.

I'm still enjoying the show overall, but disappointed it lost the sense of scale it was building in the episodes before this with the windows onto the different parts of the city and the riot. Suddenly the world feels small and empty with a couple of dozen citizens confined to "1 of 10" safe zones.

Zombie outbreak hits a sprawling city of 13m people across the wider metropolitan area (4m in the city proper) and the place is a ghost town. There is simply no way the government could have the manpower or been that effective in both evacuating/confining/culling the human populace and suppressing the outbreak to the point where there is one rogue zombie encountered in a drive through the city.

Meanwhile the back woods of Georgia are filled with zombies around every tree.

I can appreciate this is the early days of the outbreak, but the whole point (I thought) is that the population and armed forces get overwhelmed, and I'm just not seeing it. Atlanta did "infected city" much better.

If they are going to imply in the final episode that the horde is confined to the stadium and when they get out then now the city is suddenly overrun and dangerous I'll be very disappointed. And I'm betting that is what is going to happen.

Feels like budget is really holding this story back from being told properly.

 

[Tim the Wiz]

I feel like Travis is not going be this shows Rick. It's Madison. She's shown lots of instances of being dark and cold blooded, but not Shane levels of crazy, though she has been a bit too clueless at times. But overall she seems like the character that most willing, and possibly able, to walk that line of doing what is necessary to keep the group alive, but not going over the edge completely.

Travis though is like if Dale or Hershel were the leaders of the group, he's trying to maintain his humanity and be diplomatic and reasoned, except he's still young and inexperienced compared to those two. While Salazar is Shane who can control himself and has seen some shit and is going to be the guy pushing them down that darker path showing them what needs to be done, but not always aware of when enough is enough

Yup. Agree with all of that. Madison is definitely being set up to be the leader when this group has to fend for itself.

I really really like Strand, he seems more like a con-man/gambler than anything else. I hope he becomes a major player. The way he talks and delivers his lines is just awesome. He seems like a guy who always has an angle and it will be interesting to see how he manages to keep that up when everything really goes to shit..

Is he a regular? He better become a regular.

 

[The Artisan]

some would argue that the world has already ended and our protagonists just aren't aware of that yet

hmm, I haven't thought of it that way. You may have a point. Although if that's the case then there shouldn't be any rescue plans in place like the one in the preview for the next episode.

 

[Alucrid]

Why did they Lock them all in the school? Wasn't the intention to kill? Or had cobalt not gone into effect and they were going to kill them all? Or they left before and they all happened to turn in between when the army left and the guy got there?

 

[Lorcain]

Atlanta did "infected city" much better.

From what we've seen so far, I agree. Downtown Altanta was truly scary in TWD. They made it clear during season 1 that cities are bad.

They mentioned that there were approx. 2000 people locked in the LA sports arena? That's not that many really, all things considered. What happened to everyone else?

 

[Opinionatedfish]

Mexican guy and well-dressed black guy are currently the best characters, but since they're minorities they are 100% zombie meat.

There's no way a real military would ever lose to the zombies. They didn't show what happened inside the building they were clearing because it would've been too stupid to see them getting ambushed by mindless corpses. I guess they kind of explained it away by saying they were a bunch of kids, not warriors, but still.

Please don't call Daniel "Mexican." The actor is from Panama, but they imply that his character from a place like Brazil, Chile, or Peru in South America. Just saying.

Also, I think they've been implying, not showing, due to budget issues? We'll find out in the season finale.

From what we've seen so far, I agree. Downtown Altanta was truly scary in TWD. They made it clear during season 1 that cities are bad.

They mentioned that there were approx. 2000 people locked in the LA sports arena? That's not that many really, all things considered. What happened to everyone else?

Over 2,000 people locked in an arena? It's like a tiny comic convention is happening! That arena recently held a Bernie Sander's rally where they said they were able to hold 27,000+ people. So, umm.. 2,000 is really small... it should be much more than that...

 

[Funky Papa]

I'm pretty sure he said they flew from Guatemala.

 

[Apoc29]

Please don't call Daniel "Mexican." The actor is from Panama, but they imply that his character from a place like Brazil, Chile, or Peru in South America. Just saying.

Also, I think they've been implying, not showing, due to budget issues? We'll find out in the season finale.

Sorry, according to the wikia they're from El Salvador.

 

[Opinionatedfish]

I'm pretty sure he said they flew from Guatemala.

Ah. Central America. Still not Mexico, despite what some of the more "hawkish" people around President Nieto may think. Generally, the PRI isn't too awful right now? I'd have to catch up on the news. But yeah. That makes sense too.. a lot of war torn, guerrilla warfare, bad stuff in Central and South America.

 

[Opinionatedfish]

Sorry, according to the wikia they're from El Salvador.

Okay. I'm a bit confused now.

 

[jelly]

I think we are suppose to let ourselves fill in the blanks for those nine days of what happened.

Would be nice if we did get the government, military view instead of another group but budgets I suppose.

In my mind, the number of infected is unknown but considering people had it like the flu probably a good majority which tones down the public gun response. The military is spread across the US which waters them down considerably for losing control and putting up a good fight. As seen in the camp there is a breaking point, why hang about a lost cause when your family needs taken care of. Probably dissolved the military even quicker.

 

[Funky Papa]

Sorry, according to the wikia they're from El Salvador.

Yeah. I def had Central America in my mind.

 

[Mario]

In my mind, the number of infected is unknown but considering people had it like the flu probably a good majority which tones down the public gun response. The military is spread across the US which waters them down considerably for losing control and putting up a good fight. As seen in the camp there is a breaking point, why hang about a lost cause when your family needs taken care of. Probably dissolved the military even quicker.

For the civilians at least, there is no threat or incentive to move. There are no zombies at the fence. Everybody is living in the relative comfort of their own house, supplies are being provided by the government in addition to whatever people have and could loot from abandoned houses, and if they got stretched they could start looting the hundreds of houses within just a block away from the fenced area.

Where would anyone go that is "better" right now, when outside the fence is only uncertainty and dead (and not moving) people?

Military away from their family I can understand though.


Again, kind of frustrating that a suburban area with a rickety fence in a massively large city is more "secure" than a prison in the backwoods of Georgia. Indeed, I can't think of any other zombie apocalypse film set in any city or town that had so few zombies (maybe 28 Days Later, but even that made sense given the nature of their infected as they died of starvation). I look forward to them sensibly explaining the horde of zombies at every turn that we'll undoubtedly see in the finale.

 

[The Artisan]

Why did they Lock them all in the school? Wasn't the intention to kill? Or had cobalt not gone into effect and they were going to kill them all? Or they left before and they all happened to turn in between when the army left and the guy got there?

are you talking about that stadium at the end of the episode? maybe most if not all of them had the fever or something...fuck it. it's another plot hole. one in which they needed to create their first zombie herd.

that is, if they're even breaking out of that stadium. barricaded, and chained.

 

[Escape Goat]

I always wondered how so many people died so quickly to overwhelm society. I realize its something that had to happen because its the premise of the show, but unless millions died at the same exact time I think it could have been managed.

 

[The Artisan]

I always wondered how so many people died so quickly to overwhelm society. I realize its something that had to happen because its the premise of the show, but unless millions died at the same exact time I think it could have been managed.

yeah...i'm quite confused actually. first, we start with chris at a riot, where people are mad because homeless man was shot (did he turn and start attacking the cops)? then the riot happens, and chaos breaks loose in the city of LA, but then we're back in a suburbia, where...things are quiet, but the world continues to end? then there's the 9 day gap? i really don't get it.

 

[RedAssedApe]

those teens gonna let those hormones get the best of them. lol not really incest but still...was about to turn into a porno up in there

 

[The Artisan]

those teens gonna let those hormones get the best of them. lol not really incest but still...was about to turn into a porno up in there

maybe they actually had sex.

 

[Crud]

It would make for an interesting side story regardless. I like the idea of them doing those like they are with the plane short. Isolated stories of pure horror.

I agree that would be really neat.

 

[Patryn]

Why did they Lock them all in the school? Wasn't the intention to kill? Or had cobalt not gone into effect and they were going to kill them all? Or they left before and they all happened to turn in between when the army left and the guy got there?

Cobalt still hasn't gone into effect. It goes into effect at 7 a.m., at which point they'd cleanse the current "holding area".

They locked them up in the arena because it sounds like that was the original "holding area", but it got out of hand and soldiers started dying (probably because they hadn't yet locked up anyone with a chance of dying). Based on what the soldier guy was saying, bad shit went down, so they just locked it up, including anyone still alive inside and walked away.

yeah...i'm quite confused actually. first, we start with chris at a riot, where people are mad because homeless man was shot (did he turn and start attacking the cops)? then the riot happens, and chaos breaks loose in the city of LA, but then we're back in a suburbia, where...things are quiet, but the world continues to end? then there's the 9 day gap? i really don't get it.

Recall in the riot that we saw a zombie killing a cop, and that it's clear that at that point they didn't know that it needed to be headshots to kill the zombies. So you have a crowd with one zombie. Zombie kills a person, bam you have two zombies. They kill another two...

It's basically exponential growth, and the chaos of the riot means that people weren't really paying attention to the horror going on around them.

As for the police, they're still trying to do crowd control, so they can't focus on the zombies.

In addition, if you recall the show implied in the early episodes that were actually quite a few zombies around even before that riot. Think of all the ominous shots of people standing or walking slowly that clearly implied they were zombies.

Hell, the daughter's boyfriend encountered one and got bit before all that shit went down. And the hospitals had already pretty much fallen by the night of the riot, so anybody seriously hurt in the riot would likely just die because there was no medical care.

Also, remember that there was apparently a "flu" going around. If it was a real flu, and it had a high mortality (think Spanish Flu), then that would kick shit off right quick.

 

[genjiZERO]

I just watched the first episode last night...

Is this supposed to be a teen drama? It feels like Dawson's Creek with zombies.

 

[Patryn]

I just watched the first episode last night...

Is this supposed to be a teen drama? It feels like Dawson's Creek with zombies.

It's supposed to give you a view into who these people are before the fall of society, as opposed to Walking Dead, where you only meet the people after the fall.

 

[Shao Kahn on the Lawn]

Mexican guy and well-dressed black guy are currently the best characters, but since they're minorities they are 100% zombie meat.

There's no way a real military would ever lose to the zombies. They didn't show what happened inside the building they were clearing because it would've been too stupid to see them getting ambushed by mindless corpses. I guess they kind of explained it away by saying they were a bunch of kids, not warriors, but still.

The military has a history of lethargy when it comes to adopting combat doctrine to emerging threats. That would be a problem here as the enemy is significantly different than anything soldiers would have been trained for.

Pair that with the desertion, suicides, moral quandaries, fear, panic, strength of enemy numbers, and logistical issues and you've got a recipe that could easily turn into a shit-show for the armed forces. That isn't even taking into account infighting, which is what I believe killed the head honcho (IE, they murdered him and blamed it on an ambush).

I always wondered how so many people died so quickly to overwhelm society. I realize its something that had to happen because its the premise of the show, but unless millions died at the same exact time I think it could have been managed.

Approximately 6,700 people die every day in the United States alone. In the WD universe, zombies as a concept do not seem to be a part of popular culture so it's going to be a long time before people realize and accept what they're looking at. The general idea that has been portrayed in a variety of films (Namely Dawn of the Dead 1978) is that society fails to acknowledge the problem (And then refuses to deal with it) for so long that the numbers of undead become unmanageable.

Let's say the problem starts and it takes a month for people to actually acknowledge and then another month before people accept what has to be done to stop the threat. That is over 50,000 zombies, many of which have been active and attacking for weeks. No matter what society manages to do, that 6,700 will still be reanimating weekly and adding more bodies to the enemy force. Many of those 50,000 will have ended up at a hospital which will further exacerbate the problem.

 

[genjiZERO]

It's supposed to give you a view into who these people are before the fall of society, as opposed to Walking Dead, where you only meet the people after the fall.

Right, but it still feels like a teen drama.... Is that what the show is?

 

[More_Badass]

Right, but it still feels like a teen drama.... Is that what the show is?

What teen dramas have you been watching?

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

A lot of what the military/gov does in this show makes no sense.

But you have to let it go for the sake of the tv universe they are creating.

Id imagine the end of the world would be pretty chaotic. Everyone with one foot in the old way and one in complete self preservation mode. I could see loyalty and the behavior of the armed forces coming off as erratic as the ranks begin to collapse .

 

[Patryn]

Right, but it still feels like a teen drama.... Is that what the show is?

Sort of? Not really? It depends on which plot lines you consider "teen drama".

Honestly, watch the next 2 or 3 episodes and see what you think.

 

[genjiZERO]

What teen dramas have you been watching?

Well, the first episode was nothing but angsty teenagers in melodramatic situation (plus zombies).

Sort of? Not really? It depends on which plot lines you consider "teen drama".

Honestly, watch the next 2 or 3 episodes and see what you think.

Honestly, everything but the literal zombies seemed like a teen drama. I actually talked to a couple of people about it today, and they all thought at least that it felt that way too. I'll give the second episode a watch, but I have a very low tolerance for angry kids.

 

[FartOfWar]

but I have a very low tolerance for angry kids.

You know where you're at, right?

 

[The Artisan]

Cobalt still hasn't gone into effect. It goes into effect at 7 a.m., at which point they'd cleanse the current "holding area".

They locked them up in the arena because it sounds like that was the original "holding area", but it got out of hand and soldiers started dying (probably because they hadn't yet locked up anyone with a chance of dying). Based on what the soldier guy was saying, bad shit went down, so they just locked it up, including anyone still alive inside and walked away.



Recall in the riot that we saw a zombie killing a cop, and that it's clear that at that point they didn't know that it needed to be headshots to kill the zombies. So you have a crowd with one zombie. Zombie kills a person, bam you have two zombies. They kill another two...

It's basically exponential growth, and the chaos of the riot means that people weren't really paying attention to the horror going on around them.

As for the police, they're still trying to do crowd control, so they can't focus on the zombies.

In addition, if you recall the show implied in the early episodes that were actually quite a few zombies around even before that riot. Think of all the ominous shots of people standing or walking slowly that clearly implied they were zombies.

Yep. In the pilot or the 2nd episode, when madison tells travis to take her to the abandoned church, on the way there she's looking out at what seems to be a park and there's a figure with a hat on you can't see their face, but I think it was a dead person.

Hell, the daughter's boyfriend encountered one and got bit before all that shit went down. And the hospitals had already pretty much fallen by the night of the riot, so anybody seriously hurt in the riot would likely just die because there was no medical care.

Also, remember that there was apparently a "flu" going around. If it was a real flu, and it had a high mortality (think Spanish Flu), then that would kick shit off right quick.

yeah, that's why the school was so empty in the beginning. but i don't know if this flu is related to how the zombie virus started. it's a damn shame they're not giving us an origin story for that

 

[Escape Goat]

The military has a history of lethargy when it comes to adopting combat doctrine to emerging threats. That would be a problem here as the enemy is significantly different than anything soldiers would have been trained for.

Pair that with the desertion, suicides, moral quandaries, fear, panic, strength of enemy numbers, and logistical issues and you've got a recipe that could easily turn into a shit-show for the armed forces. That isn't even taking into account infighting, which is what I believe killed the head honcho (IE, they murdered him and blamed it on an ambush).



Approximately 6,700 people die every day in the United States alone. In the WD universe, zombies as a concept do not seem to be a part of popular culture so it's going to be a long time before people realize and accept what they're looking at. The general idea that has been portrayed in a variety of films (Namely Dawn of the Dead 1978) is that society fails to acknowledge the problem (And then refuses to deal with it) for so long that the numbers of undead become unmanageable.

Let's say the problem starts and it takes a month for people to actually acknowledge and then another month before people accept what has to be done to stop the threat. That is over 50,000 zombies, many of which have been active and attacking for weeks. No matter what society manages to do, that 6,700 will still be reanimating weekly and adding more bodies to the enemy force. Many of those 50,000 will have ended up at a hospital which will further exacerbate the problem.

That still doesnt explain how zombies reach critical mass. 6,700 over the course of a day in a population of 320 million. Madison learned how to stop a zombie on her second encounter with one. People arent that dumb to not realize for weeks that destroying their brain is the only way to stop them. Thats really tough to accept.

If there was an epidemic of when this zombie virus first appeared and culled millions of people within a short time I could accept.

 

[genjiZERO]

You know where you're at, right?

??

 

[Krauser Kat]

That still doesnt explain how zombies reach critical mass. 6,700 over the course of a day in a population of 320 million. Madison learned how to stop a zombie on her second encounter with one. People arent that dumb to not realize for weeks that destroying their brain is the only way to stop them. Thats really tough to accept.

If there was an epidemic of when this zombie virus first appeared and culled millions of people within a short time I could accept.

because when people die they are almost always around other people. Hospitals get quickly overun then everyone lacks medical care, with hospitals eveyone dies much faster. Throw in desperation and people just like killing eachother, making more walkers.

 

[The Artisan]

??

Spoiler

he's talking about neogaf.

 

[DudeWithNoName]

because when people die they are almost always around other people. Hospitals get quickly overun then everyone lacks medical care, with hospitals eveyone dies much faster. Throw in desperation and people just like killing eachother, making more walkers.

That, and the fact that 90%+ of the population wouldn't be crazy enough to head shot "the sick" at first. Not everyone is a Rick Grimes.

 

[Patryn]

Honestly, everything but the literal zombies seemed like a teen drama. I actually talked to a couple of people about it today, and they all thought at least that it felt that way too. I'll give the second episode a watch, but I have a very low tolerance for angry kids.

If all you want are zombies, this is not your show. You should probably stick to The Walking Dead instead.

The "teen" characters remain on the show, and they have plotlines, so that aspect won't be going away.

because when people die they are almost always around other people. Hospitals get quickly overun then everyone lacks medical care, with hospitals eveyone dies much faster. Throw in desperation and people just like killing eachother, making more walkers.

Add in people going into self-preservation mode and not helping each other out. Look at how Madison just let her neighbors die knowing what was happening because she wanted to keep her family safe.

 

[The Artisan]

If all you want are zombies, this is not your show. You should probably stick to The Walking Dead instead.

eventually this show is going to be the walking dead in LA though.

 

[Escape Goat]

because when people die they are almost always around other people. Hospitals get quickly overun then everyone lacks medical care, with hospitals eveyone dies much faster. Throw in desperation and people just like killing eachother, making more walkers.

I dont think were understanding each other but thats fine. Its just part of the premise that zombies overthrew society. I dont have a problem with it but if this show is supposed to show the decline of the old world theyre doing a very poor job of it.

 

[Patryn]

eventually this show is going to be the walking dead in LA though.

We assume that.

But all we technically have to work with is the show as it currently exists. There's no telling how long it will take to get to that point.

I dont think were understanding each other but thats fine. Its just part of the premise that zombies overthrew society. I dont have a problem with it but if this show is supposed to show the decline of the old world theyre doing a very poor job of it.

Would I have liked to see more about the breakdown of the system? Hell yes.

But they clearly want to show the breakdown of society from the perspective of this family, which is why so much of it has happened on the fringes.

They showed us that Walkers were around before the riot. They showed us the empty schools. We drove by traffic accident sites that became disasters because someone became a Walker. We saw YouTube footage of Walker attacks (though they didn't know what they were looking at).

We saw zombies killing and eating during the riot. We saw how hospitals had basically fallen to the Walkers. And we saw how in one night, a neighborhood fell into terror and death due to just a few Walkers.

Basically, we're seeing the fall, but only on the very edge of the frame, which can be very frustrating. We're denied access to see how the authorities handled all this, and how those initial breakdowns happened. But that's all by design, I think.