Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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The best way to prevent riots is to organise a free giveaway of grape soda, KFC and Watermelon. Problem solved!

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For the new topic, can we make it clear that crap like this won't be tolerated on any level?
 
ANYWAY.

What do you guys think will be the likely outcome of the severe protests that are sure to arise? I've heard some people argue that a particularly violent protest will mean action is more likely.

But what actions would arise from it? What laws should be changed? What policy enacted? What would be the result of a particularly violent protest?
 
This is very interesting too. I don't think there has ever been a time in American history where brown folks were scared to rat out other brown folks. America would be coming so far if that was true. in days of past they would parade themselves around with that info Lol.

Some local folks said the Vice Lords made threats to the community about what happens to snitches. St Louis has a large gang infestation. Local people are terrified of them. North St Louis is one of the most violent areas the country.
 
ANYWAY.

What do you guys think will be the likely outcome of the severe protests that are sure to arise? I've heard some people argue that a particularly violent protest will mean action is more likely.

But what actions would arise from it? What laws should be changed? What policy enacted? What would be the result of a particularly violent protest?

I don't think Wilson should remain a cop in in Ferguson, or anywhere. And if he's trying to negotiate some retirement from this, fuck him. And he better not fucking write a book.
 
Now they're telling everyone not to read into the delays.

Man, they really think people are stupid huh?

Crocker, the President of the Ferguson Police Association, says that we shouldn't read too much into the delay of the announcement. Yeeaah okay sir.

yeaahhhh. There's no reason why they should announce it as late as possible after a bunch of delays to get police in place. no reason at all.
 
I don't think Wilson should remain a cop in in Ferguson, or anywhere. And if he's trying to negotiate some retirement from this, fuck him. And he better not fucking write a book.

Get ready to be a bit more cranky sir...
 
ANYWAY.

What do you guys think will be the likely outcome of the severe protests that are sure to arise? I've heard some people argue that a particularly violent protest will mean action is more likely.

But what actions would arise from it? What laws should be changed? What policy enacted? What would be the result of a particularly violent protest?

What if the police start it should be another question. Putting all the expectations and responsibilites on the protesters isn't fair.
 
Crocker, the President of the Ferguson Police Association, says that we shouldn't read too much into the delay of the announcement. Yeeaah okay sir.

haha

Ferguson Police Association Member 1: "Hey, what do we do? This is getting scary. When they find out about the decision..."

Ferguson Police Association Member 2: "I don't know. Well, tell them not to read too much into things. Ya know, the massive security build up in front of the prosecutor's office. The continued delays of the announcement. The 'deals' made between police and protesters so that the protest can maybe go off more peacefully. They shouldn't read into this stuff, that's what we'll say."

Ferguson Police Association Member 1: "Maybe we can delay it until midnight? Then everyone will be asleep, right? Nobody will notice what happened then!"

PopeReal said:
What if the police start it should be another question. Putting all the expectations and responsibilites on the protesters isn't fair.

My statement had no blame value placed on either protestors or police. My statement simply said 'violent protests', and that violence could be started by police or protesters.

Put away your civil rights banner.
 
Some local folks said the Vice Lords made threats to the community about what happens to snitches. St Louis has a large gang infestation. Local people are terrified of them. North St Louis is one of the most violent areas the country.

Now I could see this. Never knew gangs as the loyal type though unless Michael Brown was a member.
 
ANYWAY.

What do you guys think will be the likely outcome of the severe protests that are sure to arise? I've heard some people argue that a particularly violent protest will mean action is more likely.

But what actions would arise from it? What laws should be changed? What policy enacted? What would be the result of a particularly violent protest?

I hope they prove everyone wrong who says riots are guaranteed. It would be nice to wake up in the morning and not have the media be left off easy with oh look at the riots angle. They would actually spend all the time discussing the case and actually what's in the transcripts.
 
ANYWAY.

What do you guys think will be the likely outcome of the severe protests that are sure to arise? I've heard some people argue that a particularly violent protest will mean action is more likely.

But what actions would arise from it? What laws should be changed? What policy enacted? What would be the result of a particularly violent protest?

- Officers should represent the makeup of their community (in this case, more black officers)
- Cameras required on all on-duty officers
- Officers not allowed to pull firearm from holster unless a deadly weapon is confirmed to be present on a suspect
- No cops riding solo to assist with the above requirement
- Cops not allowed to not file a report or file a "blank" report as we saw in this case


Just some possible suggestions.
 
Did this guy on the CNN confirm (or at least definitively state) that the police dept. doesn't know anything about the verdict and are mobilizing just in case? Gives me a bit more hope for indictment, I guess.
 
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For the new topic, can we make it clear that crap like this won't be tolerated on any level?

Frankly, I assumed it was abundantly clear that racism isn't welcome here.
 
But what actions would arise from it? What laws should be changed? What policy enacted? What would be the result of a particularly violent protest?
I hope more federal oversight of state police. These guys are trigger happy because they know their internal investigations will clear them.
 
I don't think Wilson should remain a cop in in Ferguson, or anywhere. And if he's trying to negotiate some retirement from this, fuck him. And he better not fucking write a book.

he already got 500k from crowdfunding, so he already got paid. any additional money he makes from this is just a bonus at this point.
 
I love how Erin Burnett on CNN is saying that the decision could come out at any moment when we already know what time the decision will be come. You're not fooling anyone CNN.
 
- Officers should represent the makeup of their community (in this case, more black officers)
- Cameras required on all on-duty officers
- Officers not allowed to pull firearm from holster unless a deadly weapon is confirmed to be present on a suspect
- No cops riding solo to assist with the above requirement
- Cops not allowed to not file a report or file a "blank" report as we saw in this case


Just some possible suggestions.

Thanks for this, very constructive comment.

I guess in such situations, the question would be who would pay for the massive increase in cameras. And there might be a necessity for increased police force if everyone can't ride solo, which also costs. And then potentially contributes to the image of "police state" issues. And how would you actually guarantee a deadly weapon confirmation was made before police pulled their gun? For example, couldn't police just again lie about confirmation being made of a deadly weapon?

100% yes on blank report.
 
My statement had no blame value placed on either protestors or police. My statement simply said 'violent protests', and that violence could be started by police or protesters.

Put away your civil rights banner.


Haha ok. Fair enough. On a side note I wish I had a civil rights banner.
 
Whoa, I missed this. It was false? I would love a link to that.
I actually can't find anything. The best is that the owners (via a lawyer) claim they didn't call 911 (e.g. it was shoplifting, not robbery), and were also unwilling to identify the guy in the video as Brown. So maybe I'm misinformed on that one. Maybe he did shoplift!

(still, the video release was timed pretty well, wasn't it?)
 
But what actions would arise from it? What laws should be changed? What policy enacted? What would be the result of a particularly violent protest?
More federal oversight.

You can't expect the people cops go to cookouts with, their kid's graduations and drinks to be able to treat them fairly if one of them gets into trouble. The Blue Shield is real even for corrupt cops.
 
The weirdest part is that Labor actually said hockey, he actually just meant to dismiss white Americans. I'm surprised, since as a hockey fan, and as someone that was aware of the recent Vancouver hockey riots.... The involved a lot of, if not majority, Asian Canadians.
What?!
 
Thanks for this, very constructive comment.

I guess in such situations, the question would be who would pay for the massive increase in cameras. And there might be a necessity for increased police force if everyone can't ride solo, which also costs. And then potentially contributes to the image of "police state" issues. And how would you actually guarantee a deadly weapon confirmation was made before police pulled their gun? For example, couldn't police just again lie about confirmation being made of a deadly weapon?

100% yes on blank report.

Maybe selling their APCs could fund the cameras. Less police state, more accountability (in theory).
 
More federal oversight.

You can't expect the people cops go to cookouts with, their kid's graduations and drinks to be able to treat them fairly if one of them gets into trouble. The Blue Shield is real even for corrupt cops.

What would the federal oversight entail? The reason I'm pushing a bit on this score is because the specifics of this are hugely important. There's lots of different ways to approach the idea of federal oversight, and some of them are more effective than others.

We also want to avoid the pitfall of them making some sort of empty gesture agreement, which looks on the surface as if it's progress but really is just lipservice.
 
Thanks for this, very constructive comment.

I guess in such situations, the question would be who would pay for the massive increase in cameras. And there might be a necessity for increased police force if everyone can't ride solo, which also costs. And then potentially contributes to the image of "police state" issues. And how would you actually guarantee a deadly weapon confirmation was made before police pulled their gun? For example, couldn't police just again lie about confirmation being made of a deadly weapon?

100% yes on blank report.

You can't guarantee a deadly weapon confirmation, but the cameras would help, and ultimately what I want is the police TRAINING and basic standards to not involve pulling their weapon to approach a suspect. To enforce shooting as a last resort as opposed to a first one. That guns are the last line of DEFENSE and not offense.

It's true that there are additional costs here, but I'd think they could make a big dent in costs by selling most of their military equipment. They don't need tanks or military trucks in Ferguson. They don't need sniper rifles.

It's not going to stop cops from lying but I'm mostly just listing generally practical improvements. Ultimately there are a LOT of other changes that need to be made but I could see some of these in direct response to this situation in particular.
 
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