TangoAlphaLima
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LOL. You don't understand our system, so it must be screwed up? Come on.
Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue
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LOL. You don't understand our system, so it must be screwed up? Come on.
Ah so it starts.
Hale-XF11
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Maybe the feds could deny other types of funding to state police associations unless they accept funding for cameras as well.
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No, it's definitely screwed up. Beyond belief, in fact.
I don't know if it's already been said, but I wish instead of rioting, protesters and those concerned would somehow organize in a way that they could actually change things from the inside ... whether it be through voting, community organization, etc.
I wish there were better ways than what seems like will inevitably happen ...
I wish there were better ways than what seems like will inevitably happen ...
We all understand your system; it's ran by a bunch of fucking chimps.
You don't seem to understand that every time an officer shoots a civilian in Europe there is a serious investigation and it is handled quickly - as to not give too much time for the "accused" to formulate his own version of the events.
This whole thing has been a joke from the start.
BFIB
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Why would it? Apparently the grand jury heard every last detail, according to them.
What's even worse is that it seems people know this and yet refuse to do anything about it ...
TangoAlphaLima
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Putting a case before a grand jury is screwed up beyond belief???
InfiniteBento
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This is appalling.
This is one of those days where I am ashamed to be an American.
We have a broken system and so many of my fellow countrymen are fine with it because they aren't the targets. To all of them celebrating on twitter and facebook tonight while spouting racist bullshit and highfiving each other, get fucked and move away.
We have a broken system and so many of my fellow countrymen are fine with it because they aren't the targets. To all of them celebrating on twitter and facebook tonight while spouting racist bullshit and highfiving each other, get fucked and move away.
It is indisputably fucked up. Do you want to go down this road? Because if you do, just be prepared to actually issue a compelling argument. Because anyone who doesn't think our system is profoundly broken is as naive as a newborn baby.
A newborn could see this is fucked up.
CrazyDogg77
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Do people not understand the anger about Ferguson isn't just about Ferguson. The attitudes that caused Ferguson will exist even if Ferguson is changed from the inside
People are actually expecting him to get indicted? Really? Most of us knew how this thing was going to shake out since the story broke. But God knows I'd love to be wrong about this shit.
Personally, I see it as a lose lose situation.
Wilson gets indicted, the racist, bigoted people will simply dismiss it as pandering to the Black community to keep them from going apeshit.
Wilson doesn't get indicted, Blacks are once again reminded that their lives mean jack shit, and that no matter what we do or say, even going as extreme as razing a city to the ground, we still won't mean shit to the vast majority.
Not to mention a non-indictment will further the notion that black males are out of control thugs that need to be put down.
So really, who fucking wins here? It sucks. It sucks so bad.
Personally, I see it as a lose lose situation.
Wilson gets indicted, the racist, bigoted people will simply dismiss it as pandering to the Black community to keep them from going apeshit.
Wilson doesn't get indicted, Blacks are once again reminded that their lives mean jack shit, and that no matter what we do or say, even going as extreme as razing a city to the ground, we still won't mean shit to the vast majority.
Not to mention a non-indictment will further the notion that black males are out of control thugs that need to be put down.
So really, who fucking wins here? It sucks. It sucks so bad.
WhiskerFrisker
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Right? This is going to be very interesting going forward.
TangoAlphaLima
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Ah yes, Europe. The Italian system is absolutely wonderful, as we've seen from the Amanda Knox matter. You guys definitely do justice perfectly.
Also, I'm pretty sure a serious investigation happened here.
I definitely understand and that's what makes this impending no indictment announcement so depressing ... at the very least, this is a national conversation that desperately needed to happen ...
the ignorance on display is astonishing
this guy thinks he understands the Italian Justice system because of the Amanda Knox case. That is the full fucking extent of his knowledge.
Hilarious
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Y ou have to keep in mind that the overwhelming amount of the time, the businesses and people are not the direct targets so much as the system they come from that's the target. In other words the businesses are just vessels to communicate frustration to systemic practices and the corrupt parts of the system at large. It's always unfortunate this involves businesses and people who are quite isolated from the root of the problem, but in the rioter's eyes it'd be a lot like saying "we're okay with the systems that continue to suppress us but enable others to socio-economic success", which they obviously aren't. And getting involved in politics isn't going to suddenly bring about the changes they want either, that game is rigged against them.
Rioting doesn't have to be irrational, either; events like the Boston Tea Party show that rioting can be done to directly go after the root of the problem, as it did in that case. I guess something could be said about the rioters educating themselves to better pick sources to attack i.e they don't need to burn down the family shop of the Johnsons from around the corner. That much I'd 100% agree with.
But rioting itself can and has been an effective tool against oppression; that's been the case in the past, can be the case today/tonight, and will be the case going into the future.
EDIT: Aaaannnd there it goes. You disappoint me, America. What happens...happens.
They were just waiting in the woodwork. All of them are about to get a lot more vocal now.
In what context do you assume this to be?
TangoAlphaLima
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Sure, I'll go down this road. I actually practice law. I understand it. Most of the public does not. Are there flaws? Sure. Tons of flaws. But to suggest that it is one of the worst in the world is preposterous. A lot of people talking out of there ass here.
No clue. Hopefully there aren't any deaths or injuries due to rioting.
Traditionally it's been hard for police to get more funding for officers in poor counties/cities. I feel like it'd be an easier sell to get more cameras for cops than it would be to get more cops for precincts.
TangoAlphaLima
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Double jeopardy does not exist in Italy! No double jeopardy! Kind of a serious flaw if you ask me!
Watching here:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...uson-grand-jury-officer-darren-wilson-n255391
Seems they're still waiting on the official announcement
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...uson-grand-jury-officer-darren-wilson-n255391
Seems they're still waiting on the official announcement
Here we go. Glad we have experts come and tell us how everything is ok.
Meanwhile cops gun down civilians with no consequence.
Flaws you say?
What about American law protects the lives of innocent African American children and makes sure their killers face consequences??
ERMint13
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Serious question. How many cops are shot dead each year vs controversial shootings like this?
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thepotatoman
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I appologize. I'm not really talking about this topic as much as I'm talking about the mainstream media that is so focused on the riot part and not even talking about the systemic problems at work here. I think people here mostly get that and there's nothing more to discuss on that front, but in the general mainstream it certainly does deserve much more attention.
Isn't just one enough? What's the breaking point for you?
Mammoth Jones
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The letter of the law may appear just and pure but it's application is constantly manipulated based on class, gender, race.
As someone that practices law perhaps you're too familiar with the former and not so much with the latter...
And those people are prosecuted and put in jail.
What kind of question is this? Do you understand what is going on?
It is the worst in the developed world, I have no doubt about it and I don't know how one can even argue at this point. The institutional biases are extreme.
Not only that but solitary confinement exists and then you have the insane incarceration rates and lack of transparency. AND the death penalty.
Not enough.
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