Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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backslashbunny said:
I'm not the guy you quoted, but I personally would like to see Obama give, at the very least, a statement about this.

I also kinda wish he'll be like FUCK IT, ALL POLICE DEPARTMENTS ARE MANDATED TO WEAR CAMERAS WHILE ON DUTY STARTING RIGHT NOW.

More seriously though, wish he would push for police oversight.
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Tbh that would be a state issue before it would become a federal one.
 
MIMIC said:
CNN: Don Lemon saying that, through deduction, Wilson's team has concluded that there will be no indictment
-nothing has "gone out" to indicate that an indictment will be made
-that the announcement of an indictment cannot be made unless the suspect is in custody and no indication that he will be placed into custody
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I thought the reasoning was mostly wishful thinking, talk of no supressed orders and whatnot. I don't find that reasoning compelling speaking as someone who has personally prosecuted flight risks, there are ways of doing things that are below the radar.
 
KHarvey16 said:
There is apparently a lot of evidence that was considered by the grand jury. It shouldn't be expected that all details of an ongoing investigation would be made public (witnesses coming forward did so on their own, for example) and not seeing any shouldn't be used to draw any conclusions yet.
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Yea but considering all the stuff being put out by the police in the aftermath of the shooting, I would imagine they'd have put out an injury report on the officer if he had been hurt. Or really anything to justify it, remember they were just throwing random shit out there for a while.
 
MIMIC said:
CNN: Don Lemon saying that, through deduction, Wilson's team has concluded that there will be no indictment (per a source close to Wilson)
-nothing has "gone out" to indicate that an indictment will be made
-that the announcement of an indictment cannot be made unless the suspect is in custody and no indication that he will be placed into custody
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So now they decide to follow sop? Aren't police reports and officer statements after a shooting supposed to be timely and detailed.

I think I almost want him to be indicted more toddiscredit that piece of shit lemon... Almost.
 
presumably posted, but here it is again anyway because you know, fuck not having an indictment

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SyNapSe said:
Yeah, I think it's pretty understandable it's being announced now.
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Yes yes, very good job.

backslashbunny said:
They brought in the National Guard for this.

States have no problem asking the government for help when it benefits the state, so states should also have no problem asking the government for help when it benefits the civilians.

I know what you mean, I really just wish some states would stop bitching about "big government," and that the federal government would do a "okay we're taking all your guns and also all police have to wear cameras, the end."

I can dream.
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Want a feel good story?
California police use of body cameras cuts violence and complaints

But Rialto's randomised controlled study has seized attention because it offers scientific – and encouraging – findings: after cameras were introduced in February 2012, public complaints against officers plunged 88% compared with the previous 12 months. Officers' use of force fell by 60%.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-body-cameras-cuts-violence-complaints-rialto
 
B-Dubs said:
Yea but considering all the stuff being put out by the police in the aftermath of the shooting, I would imagine they'd have put out an injury report on the officer if he had been hurt. Or really anything to justify it, remember they were just throwing random shit out there for a while.
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I wouldn't assume that. The police didn't release much at all really, and much of what we know is not through them. Earlier there were reports that a number of witnesses testified supporting the officer's account, but these were never released publicly. We should hopefully find out soon the bulk of what the grand jury had to work with,
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
People don't protest for the hell of it; it's a symptom of a problem, usually socio-economic disenfranchisement, and it's an immediate way of voicing one's frustration on that front.

Like I said before, people aren't robots. And how do you get "get 100% of the blame" suddenly means me saying "give them 0% of the blame"? Of course they take some of the blame....everyone does.

We'll just say if there are riots, the protesters are 50% responsible, and the police officers and legal system are responsible for the other 50%.
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Dont agree with the ratio but agree with the sentiment
 
backslashbunny said:
They brought in the National Guard for this.

States have no problem asking the government for help when it benefits the state, so states should also have no problem asking the government for help when it benefits the civilians.

I know what you mean, I really just wish some states would stop bitching about "big government," and that the federal government would do a "okay we're taking all your guns and also all police have to wear cameras, the end."

I can dream.
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Oh I agree, what we will have instead is a patchwork of half-functional policies with no real impact on the problem of over-zealous policing.
 
thenight11 said:
Brian Stelter ‏@brianstelter 45s45 seconds ago
Breaking: @DonLemon live on CNN: source close to Darren Wilson says Wilson's reps have concluded "that there is going to be no indictment."
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It's so obvious.

It's been explicit due to the extremely obvious types of leaks that were being made through this Grand Jury gig.

And now it's even more obvious.

It's extremely sad that this shit is the way things are.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
People don't protest for the hell of it; it's a symptom of a problem, usually socio-economic disenfranchisement, and it's an immediate way of voicing one's frustration on that front.

Like I said before, people aren't robots. And how do you get "get 100% of the blame" suddenly means me saying "give them 0% of the blame"? Of course they take some of the blame....everyone does.

We'll just say if there are riots, the protesters are 50% responsible, and the police officers and legal system are responsible for the other 50%.
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The point of contention being your last statement. If a rioter decides to torch a store tonight, no, I am not going to say anyone but that person is culpable. "The government made me do it" isn't going to fly. And I submit that most people who would argue otherwise would immediately change their tune if they became the victim of a violent protester. Anger is fine. Shit sucks. Injustice is widespread. Something needs to be done. I concur across the board. However, venting that anger on innocent people and businesses is not the answer and actively hinders progress. It's short sighted and pointless.

Twice now your response has been, "well people aren't robots" and it seems like a justification for people acting out and being irrational. That argument doesn't any sway with me.
 
PopeReal said:
An indictment was never, never coming. Not in this country.

Meanwhile all the pressure is on everyone to take it nicely.
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Yeah, it's disappointing how "please don't break any windows" is always the more common request than "please don't kill unarmed children". Neither is a good idea, but one is a bit worse that the other.
 
thepotatoman said:
Yeah, it's disappointing how "please don't break any windows" is always the more common request than "please don't kill unarmed children". Neither is a good idea, but one is a bit worse that the other.
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Just have to stay calm until people value children as much as they do those windows.

Annnnytime now.
 
Amir0x said:
It's so obvious.

It's been explicit due to the extremely obvious types of leaks that were being made through this Grand Jury gig.

And now it's even more obvious.

It's extremely sad that this shit is the way things are.
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This country is extremely broken. It's just the reality we have to accept. Does anyone really believe that the result tonight is going to be anything other than this guy getting off scott free?
 
thepotatoman said:
Yeah, it's disappointing how "please don't break any windows" is always the more common request than "please don't kill unarmed children". Neither is a good idea, but one is a bit worse that the other.
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Strawman, and a rather offensive one at that.

NOBODY wants unarmed children hurt. Nobody. Everyone in this topic almost certainly wants massive reform in the justice system.

I've been fighting against the broken American Justice system for years.

HOWEVER, it does nobody any good to smash the windows of innocent businesses and to hurt innocent people, which often happens in events like this.

It is perfectly OK to be against what happened to Michael Brown and to still hope both the police and the protestors don't do something stupid, like hurt innocents.
 
If there is no indictment, they should delay it until tomorrow afternoon if they actually give a shit about rioting and safety
 
Ezenzer said:
The point of contention being your last statement. If a rioter decides to torch a store tonight, no, I am not going to say anyone but that person is culpable. "The government made me do it" isn't going to fly. And I submit that most people who would argue otherwise would immediately change their tune if they became the victim of a violent protester. Anger is fine. Shit sucks. Injustice is widespread. Something needs to be done. I concur across the board. However, venting that anger on innocent people and businesses is not the answer and actively hinders progress. It's short sighted and pointless.

Twice now your response has been, "well people aren't robots" and it seems like a justification for people acting out and being irrational. That argument doesn't any sway with me.
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Out of curiosity, what if the Ferguson PD building got torched? Would that be justified in your opinion?
 
So there were various eye witnesses and the whole incident went down under suspicious circumstances. But not even a trial?

Holy shit, America really is the worst developed nation as far as the justice system is considered.
 
commedieu said:
Just have to stay calm until people value children as much as they do those windows.

Annnnytime now.
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You all are really having a fun time with this. Anyone who is against violence tonight is suddenly being framed as pro-police brutality. This has been going on for the last dozen pages and it's just absurd now.

I'll ask this: Which of you are going to be the first to break your own windows tonight?
 
USA TODAY retweeted
Donna Leinwand Leger ‏@DonnaLeinwand 2m2 minutes ago Washington, DC
@Yamiche Alcindor reports: No indictment. #Ferguson.
 
ICKE said:
So there were various witnesses and the whole thing went down under suspicious circumstances but no trial.

Holy shit, America really is the worst developed nation as far as the justice system is considered.
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Well, see, those witnesses were black.
 
ICKE said:
So there were various witnesses and the whole thing went down under suspicious circumstances but no trial.

Holy shit, America really is the worst developed nation as far as the justice system is considered.
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We don't know what the evidence is yet. Hopefully we will if there is no indictment.
 
Link said:
This country is extremely broken. It's just the reality we have to accept. Does anyone really believe that the result tonight is going to be anything other than this guy getting off scott free?
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The terrible roulette player in me says theres still a slight chance he will be charged. But then why is the national guard there? Why choose to do it at night (When you can't see people Peacefully protesting, I don't buy "derp because of traffic!" And oh yeah, t his is the people that abused journalists and took apart their equipment after tear gassing them, and oh yeah, beating a man then charging him for property damage.

Maybe, the national guard is just waiting on their next.. assignment?
Maybe they will call him after the announcement because of.. reasons..?
Maybe they decided to do it at night, because of ... traffic concerns...But then why don't they care about the protesters getting home safely... why do people need to consider saftey at all if they know hes guilty... hmm hmm.. yes, traffic concerns?

Just saying,

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At the end of the day, it would be nice to see charges. But it hardly changes the current situation in america.

This is why I suck at gambling.
 
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