FFXIII and FFVersusXIII direct feed HD realtime shots from IGN (56k stuck on SD)
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nelsonroyale
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WrikaWrek said:
so a greater carbon footprint it is then? There are other sinister implications to your admission too...
nelsonroyale
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mr_nothin said:
The game has a sci fi theme...maybe she can get a silicon upgrade halfway through (with ribbon)
nelsonroyale
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lighting in the game is pretty subtle..but there is self shadowing etc....honestly, I doubt there will be much to complain about graphically when the game ships....summons are going to look insane
The game obviously has dynamic shadows, they just aren't as overwrought as in many other titles. I haven't seen a single game on consoles where hard self-shadowing on humanoid characters actually improved the overall visual impression for me. Low-res shadowmaps with artifacting on character faces = donotwant.jpgmr_nothin said:
Also, Lightning (the character) has a more than ample bosom.
mr_nothin said:Funny thing is...is that I was going to try and make a cross reference joke but said NVM.
Anyways..
Everything just seems (and probably is) prebaked.
This shot SEEMS to have SOME dynamic shadows..
It's pretty clear that shot exhibits dynamic shadows unless you're blind.
BocoDragon
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This once again proves to me that 99% of the reason I'm a gamer is related to Final Fantasy.... for 15 years now.
I think you should read up on the terms you use. As soon as any moving object casts a shadow it is by definition dynamic.mr_nothin said:
Dynamic shadows are clear in every shot. The one you picked is great though because it also clearly shows dynamic self shadowing. (Very impressive soft dynamic self shadowing with only minimal artifacting at that)jett said:
Dynamic shadowing in realtime computer graphics in general and video games in particular refers to shadows that are computed at runtime (as opposed to static shadows that are bre-baked into a lightmap during an offline process). As moving objects can't have pre-baked shadows, any shadow cast by a moving object -- such as a character -- is by definition dynamic. This was already common last gen.mr_nothin said:
Then there's self-shadowing, which means that an object can recieve shadows cast by itself. Like a character's arm casting a shadow on his torso. This was rare last-gen and is more common now, but presents artifacting problems in many cases, especially on human faces. (Eg. in Mass Effect)
Orthogonally to that, there is the distinction between hard and soft shadows, the latter being much more expensive to compute especially at high quality. Some relatively fast shadow map filtering techniques supported in current hardware produce dithering-like artifacts on soft shadow borders.
There, I took the time to clear that up to you in spite of you being adamant in your ignorance. That's my contribution to society for today :lol
Dynamic shadows....common last gen?Durante said:
Really?
Like PS2-last-gen?
Have you played Uncharted?
Dynamic shadowing as in what Uncharted has...
The type of shadowing that comes with a "unified global lighting system".
I dont think you're getting what I'm talking about.
EDIT:
Maybe I should say pre-baked AND/OR pre-calculated.
Raging Spaniard
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B!TCH said:
I know this is 5846549565496 pages away, but it bothers me
Go tell this lady shes not well thought out:
Thats right, you cant, because you dont know anything about her, thats the POINT. You dont know shit about these characters, where theyre from, how their culture is or how they behave.
BrLvgThrChmstry
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mr_nothin said:
You lose. Bwahahaha. FF13 >>>>>>>> Dynamic Shadows
To post above: It's a goddamn video game.. comparing this to actual cultures that exist AND have actual meaning.
Metalmurphy
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"Awesome!! Rawr!"?mr_nothin said:
That's what I'm talking about...Durante said:
Everything is dynamic and not pre-calculated.
Ok so by the "bare bones definition" then I guess ps2 games did have "dynamic" shadows because they moved. They were still either pre-calculated/pre-baked shadows.
The way most people use dynamic shadows now is that the shadows arent pre-calculated "in any way". The shadows are affected by most, if not all, object and light sources around it. It's all being calculated on the fly, in real time.
You know.....like the difference between lighting in a Jak & Daxter game last gen, which had your kind of "dynamic" shadows, and the shadowing in Uncharted this gen which has the type of dynamic shadows that im talking about.
Relaxed Muscle
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mr_nothin said:
Go play SC4!!!
Relaxed Muscle
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mr_nothin said:
SH PS2 games, I'm pretty sure that have dynamic shadows
You're still not seeing it.mr_nothin said:
In Devil May Cry, Dante casts a shadow on the floor. The shadow is dynamic because it moves around with Dante and always more or less correctly reproduces his silhouette as seen against the light source, following any animation on Dante's model. It's not a fake blob texture that just slides around somewhere between his feet, but is a proper dynamic shadow, i.e. it is calculated and rendered in real time without reliance on pre-baked data.
What Dante doesn't have is self-shadowing.
Like you see in the arm-pit picture, the light source is somewhere behind/slightly above Lightning, and her shoulders, hair and "upper" side of her left arm are fully illuminated. Her front faces away from the light, and casts a shadow on itself. I.e. her arm-pit, face, "underside" of her left arm are darkened, and there's a smooth transition between the lit an unlit areas.
Now we all presume that these darker areas wouldn't just stay glued to her skin when she turns. If she remained in the same pose, but turned 180°, her chest, face, and the glorious armpit, would be directly facing the light. As fairly accurate self-shadowing is present in the one image we have, we kind of conclude that this same self-shadowing is also a dynamic effect. It simply would look horrendously off if it were a static part of her model. If the self-shadowing on her model isn't dynamic, it has no reason to exist.
BrLvgThrChmstry
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Durante said:
JRR should of never bothered.. shit was terrible. Fuck y0 couch.
what happened to this thread? I went from page 2 to page 17, and its like "oh shit, awesome" to "xenophobic retarded fashion police"
:|
I swear, GAF's perception of character/fashion design and trends are so narrow sometimes.
I mean, really, the only complaint I would have is that Nomura-style thing where the characters look like asians that have been given a nose job, an eye-job, contacts, and hair-dye. But then again, that's just how anime is nowadays. So in a way, this is 3D anime. Just like Advent Children.
But I liked Advent Children, so this'll be awesome regardless.
Raging Spaniard gets a +1 from me. Props dude. Cultural differences ftw. Same thing can be said for the people that bashed Vaan's design for FFXII.
clearly, you've never witnessed the modern young white male in a suburban environment that likes some niche variation of the metal music genre.Orlics said:
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I swear, GAF's perception of character/fashion design and trends are so narrow sometimes.
I mean, really, the only complaint I would have is that Nomura-style thing where the characters look like asians that have been given a nose job, an eye-job, contacts, and hair-dye. But then again, that's just how anime is nowadays. So in a way, this is 3D anime. Just like Advent Children.
But I liked Advent Children, so this'll be awesome regardless.
Raging Spaniard gets a +1 from me. Props dude. Cultural differences ftw. Same thing can be said for the people that bashed Vaan's design for FFXII.
BrLvgThrChmstry
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Darkpen said:
Whaaaaaaa..?
Because I can't "appreciate" his character designs doesn't mean I can't appreciate cultural diversity.. just don't try to convince me they have any significants.. they are video game characters.. whom I am not "visually" Fond of. NOMURA FTL. Amirite..?
My mother from NJ and my father side came straight off the banana boat ...lots of diversity here.
P.S. Did I mention my great grandfather was italian. Fuck y0 couch.