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[DunpealD]

Character changes aren't system changes though especially if it's just value changes and not messing with hitboxes & hurtboxes. But then again, that would be assuming they were doing it in a way that didn't force them to do a ton of work to test different things. That's asking a lot of JP developers in general...

Ah, sorry. I was quickly reading through the posts. All I see was "These tests" and thought it was for all of this pre-release stuff.

I'll assume that beta and stress tests are netplay integrated vertical slices with "current" balance they had at that time.

Event builds are kinda a different matter, since those always have all characters available and do not even have a menu like the beta/stress test ones.

Anyone else think that stress test Ryu was actually more fun than Beta 2 Ryu? Amidst all the nerfs either his parry got less startup or mediums on block got nerfed. From what I tested he was able to parry anything that follows a blocked medium.

EDIT: Usually the way I approach the beta is looking how the current version of the character can be played instead of just looking for nerfs.

 

[skLaFarebear]

Should've been Bayo or Wonder Red.

 

[MiniBossBattle]

LOOKS LIKE IM DROPPING SF4 FOR SMASH



CLOUD IS EVERYTHING



PEACE

Settle it in Smash.

 

[TheChits]

Not Cecil, Terra, or Kefka but...Cloud? Okay

 

[Beckx]

LOOKS LIKE IM DROPPING SF4 FOR SMASH



CLOUD IS EVERYTHING



PEACE

OH MY GOD

that music

those Limit Breaks

MIDGAR STAGE

 

[Nightii]

Not Cecil, Terra, or Kefka but...Cloud? Okay

A magic user like Terra would have been great, instead we got Emo Ike, talk about bland moveset, mang.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Not Cecil, Terra, or Kefka but...Cloud? Okay

Could have been lightning

 

[K.Sabot]

smash 4 has reached bad fan game tier


goku doesn't seem so far away anymore

 

[Professor Beef]

Not Cecil, Terra, or Kefka but...Cloud? Okay

Cecil, Terra, and Kefka are from bad or boring FF games, so it makes sense to not bother with them.

 

[Shouta]

Cecil, Terra, and Kefka are from bad or boring FF games, so it makes sense to not bother with them.

I thought you were cool.

 

[onionfrog]

Cloud is in smash, that's nuts and doesn't make much sense!

When's goku?

 

[Numb]

A magic user like Terra would have been great, instead we got Emo Ike, talk about bland moveset, mang.

What's wrong with yet another sword user?
Seems ok to me.

Spoiler

sigh

smash 4 has reached bad fan game tier


goku doesn't seem so far away anymore

Indeed.
Forgot him during voting but was obvious people would vote for him.

 

[CountBlack]

OH MY GOD

that music

those Limit Breaks

MIDGAR STAGE

I CANT MAN I JUST CANT

 

[Kumubou]

I can't wait to tell SSB4 players to come see me in Ehrgeiz.

Cecil, Terra, and Kefka are from bad or boring FF games, so it makes sense to not bother with them.

And this is another episode of Professor Beef's Amazingly Wrong Opinions.

 

[Infinite]

smash 4 has reached bad fan game tier


goku doesn't seem so far away anymore

lol

 

[NEO0MJ]

Can't believe that Cloud reveal. I would have been willing to bet good money that it wouldn't happen.

Nope:

K' is not evil, he is just a typical OC....that happened to be made by the people in charge of the games.

he's the main guy in the NESTS arc, so he's not a bad guy

the actual kyo clones were the bad guys

I didn't mean evil like baby killer but rather that he's supposed to be too cool for school. Anyways it looks like I got my KOF history wrong anyway.

 

[Professor Beef]

I thought you were cool.

My apathy to FF6 has never been a secret. I even made a thread about it! FF4 is just godawful though with no redeeming qualities.

And this is another episode of Professor Beef's Amazingly Wrong Opinions.

You tell me with a straight face that Terra-ble is actually a good character. The only time she was tolerable was when she had that hypnocrown that forced her to shut up.

 

[skLaFarebear]

Linkle would have been so much better for Smash than Cloud honestly. A ranged character would have been better than another sword user.

My apathy to FF6 has never been a secret. I even made a thread about it! FF4 is just godawful though with no redeeming qualities.

I like FF6, but I totally agree about FF4. The music is ok though.

 

[MiniBossBattle]

Cloud is in smash, that's nuts and doesn't make much sense!

When's goku?

Please no. Why do people like Cloud and Dragon Ball?

 

[Tizoc]

much betrayal
such salt

But honestly yeah an FF6 rep would've been cool, but eh.

 

[FACE]

FF7 ain't even that good.

 

[Rentahamster]

*wakes up to see Cloud in Smash*

Neat ^^

 

[Numb]

Please no. Why do people like Cloud and Dragon Ball?

lol it can't be helped.
I would prefer Mr.Satan if they had to.

 

[Dahbomb]

When's Nu Dante though?

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Might as well put in Shrek at this point

 

[Numb]

Now that the flood gates are open i'm asking for one of the soccer players from Soccer brawl. The captains with the special kicks.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Please no. Why do people like Cloud and Dragon Ball?

It's not just modern anime but you don't like dbz either? wooooooooow

 

[A Pretty Panda]

CloudStrife4Brawl

Oh nvm

 

[Tizoc]

Please no. Why do people like Cloud and Dragon Ball?

Have you read the DB manga?
As in actually read it. Not watch the anime
Reading the manga

OG Dragonball is a fun adventure comedy series, but when it comes to fight and action Toriyama fucking delivered. it was fast paced but still exciting throughout.

DBZ is when it became all action oriented and suddenly peeps just shut off their brains and accepted Goku's uber strength as some divine shit.

DBZ Goku isn't even a good protagonist; his younger self is.

 

[mbpm1]

Cloud?

Cloud?!

Of all the characters from FF they could've picked...

 

[onionfrog]

Please no. Why do people like Cloud and Dragon Ball?

You're telling me you didn't watch Dragon Ball Z on Toonami back in the day?
Miniboss pls

 

[rookiejet]

I thought you were cool.

ban him, shouta

ban him

 

[enzo_gt]

The Cloud thing is funny/cool but Smash jumped the shark, if you wish to consider it a shark, a while ago. It's clear they're just trying do whatever in the time they can. Smash selection criteria has never been clear or logical either though, it's just whatever Sakurai feels like showing love that day.

 

[mbpm1]

When's Vergil

 

[Professor Beef]

ban him, shouta

ban him

You could always just read my reasoning for thinking FF6 is boring instead of calling for my head

 

[Perro]

Can't wait for Spongebob in sm4sh.

 

[rookiejet]

You could always just read my reasoning for thinking FF6 is boring instead of calling for my head

no reasoning is gonna make u right on this one bro

Spoiler

i do agree about IV

 

[Dahbomb]

The Cloud thing is funny/cool but Smash jumped the shark, if you wish to consider it a shark, a while ago. It's clear they're just trying do whatever in the time they can. Smash selection criteria has never been clear or logical either though, it's just whatever Sakurai feels like showing love that day.

Next time Sakurai comes up for the announcement:

"With the Cloud announcement we went far beyond fan expectations....

And THIS .... is to go EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!"

 

[A Pretty Panda]

I thought you were cool.

You thought Beef was cool?

 

[TheChits]

https://twitter.com/ArcSystemWorksU/status/664945680520122368

 

[Kalamari]

Smash is gonna be huge this year. I hope Wizard gives them their own area, so the crowds don't interfere with spectators of other games.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Should've been Bayo or Wonder Red.

I hope Bayo make the December announcement

 

[Nightii]

Saitama4Smash4, bruh

Cooler than Cloud, fits the game better, and can afford to get knocked out of stages, it's technically not losing.

 

[Numb]

I hope Bayo make the December announcement

+1

 

[biosnake20]

Momochi and Choco started a company. Someone translate pls.

http://s.gamespark.jp/article/2015/11/13/61720.html

Edit: supposedly it's called Shinobism and they're gonna do fg events and help up and coming players

 

[DunpealD]

Have you read the DB manga?
As in actually read it. Not watch the anime
Reading the manga

OG Dragonball is a fun adventure comedy series, but when it comes to fight and action Toriyama fucking delivered. it was fast paced but still exciting throughout.

DBZ is when it became all action oriented and suddenly peeps just shut off their brains and accepted Goku's uber strength as some divine shit.

DBZ Goku isn't even a good protagonist; his younger self is.

With all the talk about Goku and Smash. I'd like to see Kid Goku instead of adult Goku.

 

[Tizoc]

With all the talk about Goku and Smash. I'd like to see Kid Goku instead of adult Goku.

That would actually be cool, Kid Goku could have a cool set of abilities and moves from the original series and he actually used his staff.

 

[Dlent]

Cloud looks cool, even if he is another sword guy and there were a million better choices. I wish Midgar wasn't another stage to just be tourney banned though.

 

[Shouta]

You thought Beef was cool?

I thought all Hawk players were cool until now. =(

 

[Rhapsody]

God bless the ring.