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Karsticles
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It's inferior, but the anime community is used to it, so I use it. I don't even know how the numbers on a numpad go off the top of my head. I just have certain inputs memorized.
Osu 16 Bit
Member
number pad notations are the worst!
Numpad system isn't actually intuitive and leans heavily on the fact that people use the Numpad on their keyboards. When in reality more people use the numbers on their phones more often these days. It's a relic of the early days of the Internet.
That said saying stuff like DP + LP is not a good thing either because it assumes the person knows what a DP is. I know all of this is a no brainer for everyone in here but not for people trying to get into these games.
Like f,f + 2 makes more sense in terms of what you are pressing than 66RB. Are you pressing RB after 6 or both together at the end? For Tekken these things matter a lot which is why the notation for the game is very specific in a lot of cases.
That said saying stuff like DP + LP is not a good thing either because it assumes the person knows what a DP is. I know all of this is a no brainer for everyone in here but not for people trying to get into these games.
Numpad notation for Tekken are hilariously bad. Should be illegal and people using it should be made fun of in public.
Like f,f + 2 makes more sense in terms of what you are pressing than 66RB. Are you pressing RB after 6 or both together at the end? For Tekken these things matter a lot which is why the notation for the game is very specific in a lot of cases.
The big issue specifically is that numpads and phone pads arent the same, it really does mess with people who havent used numpads extensively.
QisTopTier
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The other reason it works well is because ASW characters tend to have a billion command normals and yes it works in every language as well.
C, d+C, df+C, b+C, f+C
vs
5c, 2c, 3c, 4c, 6c
The other issue and with BB in particular the game use ABCD for buttons. Is d+C D and C or down and C?
C, d+C, df+C, b+C, f+C
vs
5c, 2c, 3c, 4c, 6c
The other issue and with BB in particular the game use ABCD for buttons. Is d+C D and C or down and C?
That's right, I completely forgot that NRS games uses the Tekken notation also.
My magic will TEAR you apart!
My magic will TEAR you apart!
ShinMaruku
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At least yours is as simple as 66PPPKK.
No, it's 6p, 4K p+k,4k P+K 8 K P+K T.
Or 6P, 214 T or 236T 4P 6ppk P+K ,T.
Go do Phase 4's combos and tell me it's 66pppkk.
It's not that it's hard to learn, it's whether it's the best notation to use for a game or not.
If it takes 10 minutes to learn that 5 is neutral in notation then it will take 5 minutes to learn that N is neutral in Tekken.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
yea, I would never use anything but numpad notation (EDIT, for ASW), too many direction buttons required per combo, and its universally readable
Yes, 5 is neutral. But for most people they think of the numbering as
123
456
789
Not the PC version. Ita not intuitive.
Arrow notation in the modern world of Emoji shouldnt be that hard.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
the moment someone says numpad, everyone figures it out. Its not entirely intuitive, but its really simple
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Number pad notation is booty sweat
Thank god for Capcom games
Thank god for Capcom games
ShinMaruku
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irfaanator
Banned
im neutral on this subject
Anyone have a link to the SAO stuff for the new Dengeki game?
Also I don't mind people preferring non numpad notation, it just amuses me when people refuse to learn it when they try to get into anime games
Sometimes the hate's that strong I guess.
Also I don't mind people preferring non numpad notation, it just amuses me when people refuse to learn it when they try to get into anime games
like a certain top Marvel player.
Sometimes the hate's that strong I guess.
Thanks! While I like Yuuki, Sinon would've been a preferred choice. Game needs reps from other series though.
The problem starts when you start including stuff other than directions and button inputs into notation.
Like if I wanted to say counter hit while standing left kick in Tekken in a notation. The standard is simply CH WS 3. There's a clear differentiation between a status and an input because in Tekken inputs are always numerical.
If I put that in Numpad it would be like CH 25C. Wait a minute.. why are there two Cs in there? Am I pressing 3 first and if so what's a H? There's confusion here because a status is using alphabetical language as is the input. In addition the 25 motion isn't even accurate because a WS situation might arise from you not even pressing 2 to begin with.
c'mon man, you can't let an opportunity like that go
call_kotaku
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Americans like their notations like they do their languages: monolingual
using whatever notation is most effective for whatever game is some unpatriotic shit, speak Capcom or go home.
using whatever notation is most effective for whatever game is some unpatriotic shit, speak Capcom or go home.
DryEyeRelief
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It surprises me that visualizing the numbers 1 through 9 in a sequential order is so difficult for some people.
It's not difficult no one is even arguing to the contrary. We are talking abut intuition and conflicting with other forms of abbreviations in that same notation as well as how it runs counter to people using phones over numpad. Depending upon your perspective the 1-9 positioning is not always sequential.
It would probably be easier if it was in sequence of telephone and not 10-key.
Lame..another sao character while touma and accelerator/last order are still assists.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
dem calculators though
CountBlack
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Copy and paste from the Capcom Cup thread; incoming wall of text
My thoughts on Capcom Cup, the matches, the players and such.
This years event easily has surpassed last years. In hype, matches, and no iPad DJ. Having two streams going simultaneously bringing us fire matches was :whew:. Commentary was on point. David/James and F-Word/Logan were both great duos. The E-Sports analyst desk really worked out IMO. Great seeing Combofiend & Mike Ross up there, Vice City Gootecks should've stayed on the bleachers for someone else but he wasn't a real negative. I'm not sure why they didn't get interviews from both sides for their first round matches, maybe time constraints?
Some Key Matches and thoughts on the players
Momochi. I had him going far in the tournament in my bracket. I was really caught off guard by how much he struggled against RB's flabby Hugo.
Infexious must've been rolling in his sofa watching this match. RB had it, Momochi was playing some of the flabbiest E. Ryu's in the tournament and RB couldn't clutch it out. He had some good moments but played so bad. Momochi really escaped with a win there.
His matches against Poongko/Luffy kinda went the way I expected it. I felt like Poongko was the one roadblock that could possibly stop Momochi from making it all the way to Winner's Finals or Winners semis. I feel like Momochi doesn't play too well against crazy. When he's up against a character like that, where it feels like he can't control the matchup how he wants too, he either scrapes through barely with the W or loses.
Against Luffy; he lost against him in the Topanga World League pretty convincingly. I don't think Momochi prepared to go against Luffy in the slightest. Luffy made the matchup look free again and Momochi ends up going out 1-2. With a tournament this stacked, it's not necessarily a huge upset, but I had him going far in the bracket.
Poongko. He was playing amazing this whole tournament. I really love the changes he made to his game in general with Seth. He's went from the crazy balls out Seth (the way Seth can be played) to a more footsie based Seth. Really taking advantage of Seth's decent pokes, dashing in and out of ranges and always keeping the opponent edgy with whats coming next. He had the best reactions in the whole tournament. He was punishing random whiffs full screen, punishing FADC's, shit even sweeps.
His two losses had to hurt because they were so close. His loss against Xian was crushing but you can't be mad about the way it went down. His loss against Daigo was another loss that'll definitely stick with him for a while. He was making a huge comeback down 0-2, but couldn't pull it off. You literally can't make one mistake against Evil Ryu with Seth or it's lights out.
Humanbomb aka the Gatekeeper of the century.
He played really sloppy against Fuudo but managed to take it. He played pretty decent against Mago and gatekeeped him from advancing smfh. Got Razer'd against Poongko and had to get a new stick, then brought out one of the flabbiest Sagat's I've ever seen against Snake Eyez. F O H.
Mago. You never know which Mago you're going to get at these events. Sometimes he plays godlike and makes amazing reads with great execution.. sometimes he doesn't play that way at all. This tournament he kind of played in the middle ground and I feel like he should've made it farther than he did, but these things happen. He should've seen Momochi and Fuudo losing as a gift but didn't get to take advantage.
Him losing to Humanbomb was a bit of a choke on his part IMO. His match against Luffy went pretty much as expected. He'll never get to conquer his rubber demon in the lifetime of SF4.
Xian. :whew: He was the player you could never count out. It almost felt like he was always playing at a disadvantage with how many comebacks he had to make this tournament.
His match against Valmaster went down to the wire, his match against Keoma went down to the wire, his match against Poongko went down to the wire.. then he got bopped by Kaz/Daigo pretty free. These things happen. He was really close again, but wasn't able to find an answer to Evil Ryu after all this time. He thought it would've been Dhalsim but nope, you gon eat these st.MK's for breakfast/lunch/afternoon snack/dinner/ and midnight snack. The clutch gene was definitely flowing through his body in this tournament tho.
Nemo. I really thought he'd do a lot better than he did but.. with a tournament this stacked, these things happen.
I can't say he played really bad, losing to Dashio's Seth isn't that big of an L. Rolento already loses to Seth, then mix that in with a player with such great reactions that actually punishes every roll you do with U1.. yea it's to be expected. Him losing to Valmaster was a surprise, I don't think he was ready for a Chun of that caliber even after using her himself.
Gamerbee. I really felt like this was his time to leave a mark on SF4 with this tournament. After getting 2nd at Evo, it looked like he'd be a force to be reckoned with, especially partnering up with the OH SO BROKEN ELENA OMG HEALING SO BROKEN OMG PLS NERF BAN ELENA SHES THE PROBLEM WITH THIS GAME OMGZ ELENA CUP PLS BAN.
His match against Gackt was really shaky. Elena beats Fei bad and he was really struggling against him. Gackt played the matchup great but lost in the end. His match against Keoma was a shocker. I really don't know who wins the matchup between Adon/Abel, but he really wasn't able to play his game at all. He was using that combo that I haven't seen before with doing a RJ -> ex RJ midscreen but.. in the end it cost him the match. Against Tokido he got dominated. I don't know how he lost that, Elena is the most broken character in the game, I thought she was the answer for everything right? Jab jab jab right? Healing? Wow I guess Elena isn't the answer to everything WOW.
Overall it's sad to see Bruce go out like this, not making top 8. I don't remember him ever winning a major for SF4 either which really sucks but he did put Adon on the map. His blowup on Justin at Evo 2010 will always be remembered.
Snake Eyez.
"Strider definitely has the better Abel" - bopped. After the huge upset in the first round, I really thought he'd end up going like maybe 1-2 or 2-2. But he really brought it all the way back to the top 8 so huge congrats to him for making it so far. I'd definitely say he ended SF4 being the best Gief in the world AND the best player in the US.
He went through bad matchups and beat Keoma in the runback, definitely made a great run.. then he ran into the great wall of Japan. Sometimes.. sometimes people take L's. Sometimes you play someone so good, that it makes you look like you haven't played the game before. Sometimes you play someone so good, it makes it seem like you're playing in slow motion. Sometimes you play someone so good, it looks like every option you go for is the wrong answer. Sometimes you get completely outplayed in every single aspect of Street Fighter. Sometimes you play Daigo and get bodied. These things happen. People take L's.
Infiltration. I think most people had him winning the tournament in their bracket. He was really looking invincible, having a huge array of characters to go to in any situation, his reactions are insane, his execution on point.. Then he went up against the Beast.
Look. You can't beat Daigo using an honest character like Chun Li. You really tried to out footsie the footsie GOD? Really tried to win it with Chun?? He took the L at the character select screen. Daigo must've left him mad shook after dismantling his Decapre the last time they played. Infil did choke a bit in a few rounds but.. again these things happen. I really think he should've brought out the Akuma or something else. Chun is way to honest to go against the Beast with. His match against Misse was a shocker. I really didn't think he'd lose that, going to Chun afterwards I think was a bad idea. Chun doesn't have too many answers for Axe kick mania. He didn't play it too bad, all the matches were close but.. Makoto dawg. He definitely wasn't expecting that. Overall, throughout the tournament he only stuck with Decapre and Chun.. I thought he would've had more tricks in the bag but he didn't.
Justin Wong.
People take L's. I don't know why people thought that Tonpy was the underdog in that first round matchup. Tonpy is a Viper Gawd. I know Justin has been training a lot for this event but looking over Tonpy was a huge mistake. His match against Dakou was kinda sad. I think that was another matchup he believed he could've had but I guess Elena isn't the answer for everything huh. Dakou played Evil Ryu and just had an answer for most of Elena's moves. Wow I guess Elena.. might not have all the answers sway. He's definitely gotta be disappointed with going 0-2 but with a tournament this stacked, you can't be really surprised. He really shouldn't have looked down on Tonpy though.
Dieminion. I actually believed that Prep-time Dieminion could've taken it over Daigo.
Nope. He had possibly the most unlucky bracket in the whole tournament. Literally had to play two Japanese gods back2back. His loss against Daigo wasn't a blow up. His match against Tokido though.. wow. Match went back2back and then.. he flashkicked and got baited so hard. Terrible way to go out. 0-2. Definitely top 5 US players though.
801 Strider. This is what happens when you get too over confident.
He could've changed everything if he beat Kazunoko in the first round but got Yun'd. He stole the first match with a random cr.HP which was lowkey genius. Kazunoko too stronk. You can only stop Yun for so long. I really did think that he would beat Luffy but nope. Watching Luffy struggle against Keoma so much made me think that Strider would be able to take him but st.MK too stronk. 0-2, again, can't be surprised. People take L's.
Bonchan.. :wow:. My bracket had him winning the whole thing but again.. People. Take. L's.
He played great against Misse but just got.. baited breh. Misse was too strong. Then losing to XiaoHai in losers was :scust:. He can't be happy with how he played. You never know which Bonchan you're gonna get at tournaments. Either God-Chan or Free-Chan.
NuckleDu. He played great the whole tournament, maybe proving himself to be the best Guile in the world? Just maybe, b.
I had him winning his first match against Xaiohai and he did...then he got Axe kick'd like 40 times. He made a strong run in the losers bracket then lost to Gief. Does Gief beat Guile? Lookin more 5-5 every time I see it. One knockdown can be GG. Anyway, he definitely ended SF4 being top 5 in the US.
Luffy. Definitely one of my favourite players in SF4. Put Rose on the map and has stuck with her even through her terrible matchups.
His match against Problem X was really a toss up. Both of them go back and forth when they play, but Seth is still.. Seth. These things happen, sucks he had to go up against another European first round. He beat Strider in losers, which I think was a big feat in itself. Then he beat Momochi. An even bigger accomplishment. Then he had a bye against Mago
Keoma. Easily the MVP of the tournament.
Proved the doubters wrong against Snake Eyez by bopping him 2-0 FREE in the first round. Okay an upset but he'll definitely lose to Gamerbee.. nope. Bodies Gamerbee too. WOW. There's no way he could beat Xian?.. Well he couldn't beat Xian but he definitely should've. I feel like he really had it, but his incapability to block against Gen on wakeup really made the difference. If he could just block those cross ups instead of doing whichever EX attack on wakeup that he thought would work, could've made the difference, but shit, Gen is hard as hell to block. Definitely one of the best matches of the tournament. Then he had to run the mini Gief Kumite, beating Itabashi then losing to Snake in the runback. He definitely represented Brazil proudly in this tournament.. just wish we would've gotten him every year instead of ChuChu's flabby ass.
Misse. Axe kicks for DAYS. Did a LOT better than I think anyone could've expected.
Beat Bonchan, NuckleDu, Tokido, Infiltration but.. Got Yun'd and Seth'd. These things happen. It was a great showing of what Makoto can do in this game, definitely the best Makoto in the world and he played amazing.
Daigo. The Beast. I wanted him to win this tournament so bad. SF4 started with Daigo and almost ended with Daigo :mjcry:.
I've said this before, but I've never seen Daigo's execution with Evil Ryu so on point. Any combo he went for, he hit. His OG Kobe Bryant clutch gene was intact. I really didn't expect him to make it that far. His match against Infiltration was definitely my favourite of the tournament, his Daigo moment was insane. Damn shame that Kazunoko owns that mans soul tho. At least he didn't go out like a punk 0-13I hope he plays SFV and is a top player in that too but.. I doubt it. Game is ass.I just wish he would've won this tournament so it could've been canon.
And the winner.. the genius. Kazunoko.
The only person in this tournament that made Kazunoko sweat was Strider. Everything from then was easy money. When Bonchan and Momochi got eliminated it never dawned on me that Kazunoko already won.
like.. this dude crushed the competition on some King Kong shit. He didn't lose a single set, like it was a wash.
Kazunoko 2-1 Strider
Kaz 2-0 Problem X
Kaz 3-0 Misse
Kaz 3-0 Daigo
Kaz 3-0 Xian
Kaz 3-2 Daigo
like.. I did not see this coming. His road was clear after Bonchan lost. I thought Xian would've gave him competition but nope. Everything was a wash. He had everything. The execution, the reactions, the reads, the mixups, the blocking.whew. He was playing like the most complete player in the competition. Definitely a well earned win.All that XRD probably makes SF4 play in slow motion
Not going to go through every player but definitely a great tournament.
Now.. I thought Elena was killing SF4? Where were all the Elena's? Elena only won one set in the whole tournament and that was Gamerbee vs Gackt.
Justin/Elena vs Dakou/E Ryu = 0/2
XaioHai/Elena vs Mago/Yang = 0/2
Gamerbee/Elena vs Tokido/Akuma = 0/3
Elena Cup amirite? FOH
Meanwhile there's was 5 Evil Ryu's.. no problem here. 3 crazy Seth's who all won their first match.. no problem here.
but Elena? she's the problem smfh.
tl;dr Pls nerf Kazunoko
Is it true that Tatsuya has one auto-revive?
Professor Beef
Banned
"What the fuck does 3 mean"
Lostconfused
Member
Numpad notation is ok.
Easier to parse than japanese EXVS notation such as: 強化特>強化特N>強化特N>強化特N>強化特N>覚醒技
Easier to parse than japanese EXVS notation such as: 強化特>強化特N>強化特N>強化特N>強化特N>覚醒技
ãInaba Residentã
Banned
probably since he's jesus
Die always goes out on a wake up flash kick, it's classic.
Agreed on Keoma MVP. Dude played ridiculously solid and had really impressive composure on the big stage.
Bonchan was my biggest disappointed.
This was his first time out of Brazil right?
So damn impressive seeing him go toe to toe with players that have been travelling and competing for years at the highest level.
ShinMaruku
Member
Everybody at Capcom cup was deserved of being there. Except J Wong, he needs 6 more months of being out for the Marvel thing.
I dont know about that. It would fit him but still, lol
ShadowSoldier89
Member
so the lesson is, if you want to body people at SF4, play xrd?
Osu 16 Bit
Member
"where was *insert top character*" is never really a good talking point when a top character doesn't deliver in tournament. Luck and bracketology plays a major role. I mean it's funny but it doesn't mean the character isn't the best or isn't a problem.
Shouta
Member
Yeah, he tweeted it a little while ago.
Pffftt...
Karsticles
Member
It turns out that Nine gains spell charges from negating other projectiles with her normals. :-O
That is going to make the Arakune matchup real interesting. What other characters is that highly applicable against? Rachel?
Edit: Goddamn that mirror lasts a long time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRwkyWdSPmE&t=03m30s
That is going to make the Arakune matchup real interesting. What other characters is that highly applicable against? Rachel?
Edit: Goddamn that mirror lasts a long time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRwkyWdSPmE&t=03m30s
ROFL, exactly.
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