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But can she go super saiyan god super saiyan?
What went wrong with Final Round http://shoryuken.com/2016/03/22/bey...aise-questions-about-tournament-organization/
Most everybody should know by now but that's the entire story I heard from multiple staff members, can't get too specific for reasons.
Most everybody should know by now but that's the entire story I heard from multiple staff members, can't get too specific for reasons.
call_kotaku
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The cloth physics in SFV look fine for the most part, Chun Li's dress or Bison's coat all look pretty good. Nothing egregious like the capes in Injustice.
Laura's hair being a lego hairpiece is probably the worst part, but stuff like Mika's ponytails really shouldn't be clipping like they are. I realize there are horsepower constraints on the PS4 which don't allow this stuff to be modeled, but I hope someone figures out a way to do it on PC (I know Capcom isn't going to bother). That mod is way more important to me than the nude mods.
Laura's hair being a lego hairpiece is probably the worst part, but stuff like Mika's ponytails really shouldn't be clipping like they are. I realize there are horsepower constraints on the PS4 which don't allow this stuff to be modeled, but I hope someone figures out a way to do it on PC (I know Capcom isn't going to bother). That mod is way more important to me than the nude mods.
Seems like that's an issue the country has with everything.
Good stuff Anne
FormallyFamicom
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Vega's hair when it gets stuck on his shoulder and just jitters non-stop makes me cry.
I don't even mind the clipping ingame so much but seeing Rashids turban clipping in character select on player 1 side ...
Like they didn't even put enough effort into that pre baked animation.
sixteen-bit
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the normal maps or whatever on his skin seem more sophisticated than the rest of the cast i guess
Things I took away:
On site reg gives a lot of headaches.
Why use Smash.GG at the last second.
No chain of command?
Everybody was for themselves when the actual event was running.
It's funny considering how "sf4" he looked like in the teaser on kens trailer
skLaFarebear
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Fantastic article. It's crazy how even if the numbers for SFV weren't high, they still would've run into a significant number of issues.
I'm also kind of shocked how this large a tourney being run had such little communication between the staff workers and the TO, and the staff and the players. It seems like FR wasn't fully prepared to host the tourney, and the problems only continued to snowball with the number of players increasing and with time.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Pretty comprehensive and even-handed.
Whatever chain of command existed went out the fucking window as far as I was told. Really should've put more emphasis on the schedule thing. That is actually a huge factor.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Pool assignments got changed early on the day of the tournament.
You could be pre-registered, find your pool assignment on Friday night, go to sleep, then wake up in the morning and have missed your pool because it got changed to 8AM while you were asleep.
irfaanator
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so how many ppl are getting banned from Final Round next year?
RIP all foreign competition
America's time to shine.
notworksafe
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Final Round stuff just sounds like a blow up because of a blow up because of a blow up, etc.
Small venue plus poor communication with the volunteer team plus all the schedule stuff plus pools made in a vacuum (BIG ISSUE) plus on site reg plus an apathetic staff because they weren't properly given marching orders is just bad news from every angle.
To be honest I think Larry and crew deserve props for making this thing work at all. It sounds like they were driving a car with three wheels in a race. Good on them for crossing the finish line this year but I hope they realize all the work they'll need to do to get next year running correctly.
Anne, thanks for writing this. With all the stuff coming out of FR this year (good and bad) it's good to have someone focusing on the question of "how do we internalize this and improve for the next time?" (next time meaning "next major" not "next Final Round". Every TO can learn a lesson here) rather than just focusing on drama.
Small venue plus poor communication with the volunteer team plus all the schedule stuff plus pools made in a vacuum (BIG ISSUE) plus on site reg plus an apathetic staff because they weren't properly given marching orders is just bad news from every angle.
To be honest I think Larry and crew deserve props for making this thing work at all. It sounds like they were driving a car with three wheels in a race. Good on them for crossing the finish line this year but I hope they realize all the work they'll need to do to get next year running correctly.
Anne, thanks for writing this. With all the stuff coming out of FR this year (good and bad) it's good to have someone focusing on the question of "how do we internalize this and improve for the next time?" (next time meaning "next major" not "next Final Round". Every TO can learn a lesson here) rather than just focusing on drama.
shaowebb
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Geez... thats absolutely horrible. Travel, hotel, food, entry fees and then that happens? Thats a pretty damned big loss for folks to take on. Did the tournament reimburse anyone this happened to? Because thats a few hundred dollars easily in the shitter for someone that got schedule swindled.
1 Wheel. The whee cobbled together out of cardboard
We're all extremely confused about this but it is what it is.
notworksafe
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Perhaps he preferred getting his exact words out over audio rather than running them through a writer? I dunno, weird choice but it is his to make.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sofaot
Jiyuna translated Daigo's thoughts on the 6 main skills for fighting games and strategies.
As for Shinblanka appearing the On Blast Show, he obviously showing up on a show that will allow him to be presented in a positive light. But its the On Blast Show, so I don't know who is going to watch outside of the Carny factor.
If he wanted a legitimate post mortem, I'm sure he could have shown up on either the Daily Dot or UltraChenTV.
Jiyuna translated Daigo's thoughts on the 6 main skills for fighting games and strategies.
As for Shinblanka appearing the On Blast Show, he obviously showing up on a show that will allow him to be presented in a positive light. But its the On Blast Show, so I don't know who is going to watch outside of the Carny factor.
If he wanted a legitimate post mortem, I'm sure he could have shown up on either the Daily Dot or UltraChenTV.
it makes sense when you remember this is the FGC
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I have to swallow my bile to even ask this, but what time does the OBS go live?
According to a quick google search, 10pm EST.
call_kotaku
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On some level I feel like the discussion should be about the professional/personal divide necessary to run things properly when there's so much more at stake. By all accounts nobody working on this has bad intentions, and I don't think it's necessarily negligence that leads to all this stuff. It's just the problem of things that have been informal and "grassroots" for so long all of a sudden turning into big complicated undertakings, and I have a hunch that the reason things are the way they are is that the people at the top don't want to be in a position to tell people what to do. Just remember the backlash from the last UFGT, which was extremely well run but caught a lot of bad feelings from some players for not being as accommodating with their zero tolerance policies.
Seems like the best "damage control" you can do in this situation is to focus even more on personal blowups and undermining criticism of your event by questioning the motives of the people being critical. I expect some sort of blowup towards Jebailey and no talk about actual improving the organization of the event outside of a basic apology.
Seems like the best "damage control" you can do in this situation is to focus even more on personal blowups and undermining criticism of your event by questioning the motives of the people being critical. I expect some sort of blowup towards Jebailey and no talk about actual improving the organization of the event outside of a basic apology.
UcchedavÄda
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Very good article.
Hopefully FR will be able to resolve these failures going forward, cause it sounds like hell for everyone involved.
One random question, though, since the article mentions an unpatched SFV setup, which I assume refers to the day-one patch for PS4. Does anyone know what that patch actually changed?
irfaanator
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Ucchedavāda;198923182 said:
r mika combo potential is one of them. She can do some combos that are only available after the patch
UcchedavÄda
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Ouch. Gotta suck to lose a match because you "dropped" a combo that wasn't possible without that patch.
Popping in here to say good stuff to Anne for the SRK article. Very well written and I hope it helps people see what needs to be changed if we want to see the FGC go into uncharted land when it comes to events, competition and numbers.
Shinblanka on OBS tho... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Shinblanka on OBS tho... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Ucchedavāda;198923182 said:
R. Mika doesn't have her mid-screen wallbounce without the patch.
This actually happened to me during 8AM pools against Haitani on the same station. I notified the bracket runner immediately and told him that the room leads need to know about it so that it can be fixed.
It apparently was not fixed, because more complaints about the same station came out during the afternoon.
Honestly if it were up to me I would just say get rid of on-site registration. Cut off pre-reg the Wednesday before the tournament. Causes way more problems than it's worth, and it's not like most people decide to enter a tournament the day of. If they miss registration that's their own fault.
Sounds like the opposite of damage control to me
Ucchedavāda;198923874 said:
That is exactly what happened and what brought about the realization of the nonpatched console.
Lostconfused
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https://twitter.com/KBradJStorm/status/711285486141247488
R. Mika player constantly dropped the clap combo & went to the home screen & the set up wasn't patched
I hope they let him run it back!!
notworksafe
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most tournaments will run through the consoles but sometimes shit happens. it happened to CEO, it happened at EVO, and it's happened at local events here
UcchedavÄda
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Thanks for the details!
I can't say that I'm surprised that the console didn't get fixed, however, given the multitude of organizational issues that Anne described.
I can't say that I'm surprised that the console didn't get fixed, however, given the multitude of organizational issues that Anne described.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I've been going to multiple majors every year since 2010.
It's *extremely* rare that I don't spot at least one un-patched console over the course of the event.
I've seen it happen in at least three top 8s.
(This is one of the main reasons why I just burst out in laughter whenever someone suggests that fighting game tournaments ever be run on PC. If people can't check for simple patches, they sure as fuck can't handle a PC.)
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