A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
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Professor Beef
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fuck, that's actually brilliant
Marvel 2 is unpatchable. If you try to patch that game:
1) You will make a game that is ten times worse than the original. Like when I say it's a lightning in a bottle I do mean that... game is really only PLAYABLE because it has a bunch of unintended mechanics/bugs/glitches that allow you to combat some of other insane stuff in the game. Only reason why people can even defend against Magneto in that game (who has a 1 frame crouch light mind you) is because after advance guard you can't be instant high/lowed which is a BUG.
2) You will change the game so much that it becomes completely different. Like the changes you would have to make to that game to make it fair/balanced would be so drastic and wide reaching that you are better off just making a new game instead.
1) You will make a game that is ten times worse than the original. Like when I say it's a lightning in a bottle I do mean that... game is really only PLAYABLE because it has a bunch of unintended mechanics/bugs/glitches that allow you to combat some of other insane stuff in the game. Only reason why people can even defend against Magneto in that game (who has a 1 frame crouch light mind you) is because after advance guard you can't be instant high/lowed which is a BUG.
2) You will change the game so much that it becomes completely different. Like the changes you would have to make to that game to make it fair/balanced would be so drastic and wide reaching that you are better off just making a new game instead.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
marvel 2 is so broken it looped back around to fixed
Listening to Viscant talk about Marvel 2 EVO 2008-2009, things were looking hella grim for that game with the coming of SF4. Viscant said that most of the people at EVO in the year that SF4 came out were going to their first EVO and only for SF4 which meant that they didn't know about or care about Marvel 2. Marvel 2 was just another game for EVO that year when it was main stage before.
Fast forward to now and we have a similar situation with Marvel 3 and SFV. Though now instead of SFV we have a bunch of other games competing too. It's actually really hard to fill out the 8-9 EVO game line up slot without shafting a bunch of games.
I hope we have a Marvel 3 retrospective from Viscant and co when the time is right. SO much stuff to go over in its dense history, you can easily go 5 hours on it.
Fast forward to now and we have a similar situation with Marvel 3 and SFV. Though now instead of SFV we have a bunch of other games competing too. It's actually really hard to fill out the 8-9 EVO game line up slot without shafting a bunch of games.
I hope we have a Marvel 3 retrospective from Viscant and co when the time is right. SO much stuff to go over in its dense history, you can easily go 5 hours on it.
It's what they get for not having a Top 8 full of Morrigans!
Besides, their offensive 50/50 rushdown derpiness like Zero was full of shit anyways. I'm reminded of that Max video 4 years ago talking about the Soul Fist lockdowns essentially turn what Marvel is not away from the rushdown shiet. That's too bad, the game needed to be slowed down anyway!
Besides, their offensive 50/50 rushdown derpiness like Zero was full of shit anyways. I'm reminded of that Max video 4 years ago talking about the Soul Fist lockdowns essentially turn what Marvel is not away from the rushdown shiet. That's too bad, the game needed to be slowed down anyway!
The good thing is that he proved the point for the rest of eternity and no one should be making that mistake again.
This EVO felt weird to me. Salty suites weren't as good and probably the worse ever. No epic money matches or anything. Dead games are truly dead games. Too much focus on the main games that there wasn't many time or resources for the side ones. I mean it was still good but it definitely felt less homegrown than ever.
ESPN broadcast was the highlight of the events, I know top FGC streamers put a lot of effort already, but compared to a professional broadcast there's still a lot of room for improvements.
Master Milk
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good shit man
notworksafe
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Its funny, I bitched and moaned about HDR like no other game. I also played the hell out of it at weeklies cause there wasn't anything else lol. In NM there was that, Tekken, and Marvel 2 (on american sticks ONLY) all day long.
KidA Seven
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The point system lol
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";211172697]Speaking of bringing people here, I've been on this website for a decade and the mods still haven't freed demi yet.
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I'm still mad that JackFrost turned out to be DrinkyCow when they finally got rid of allowing people to have multiple accounts.
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I'm still mad that JackFrost turned out to be DrinkyCow when they finally got rid of allowing people to have multiple accounts.
The ESPN broadcast production alone, especially on replays of critical moments, was so well done far beyond any of the other streams.
Speaking of replays, I liked that the Tekken stream decided to do replays as well, showing different points of interesting trades or momentum swings. They need to do that more often in future tournaments.
call_kotaku
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Didn't mr.wizard confirm that the ESPN broadcast was produced by EVO people?
Like how many people participated at the last two EVOs?
Good post. I wonder how the Neo vs Clockwork manage to bet so much freaking money on the money match?
I'll watch this. Thanks.
Even with patching no one would play that marvel 2 game
Look at skull girls (gone but not forgotten 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Skullgirls:
#1 Play not much like Marvel 2
#2 Is very healthy considering its size
People wish there would be a Marvel game as good as Skullgirls.
FadedRevolution
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Too bad Skullgirls characters are wack.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
arguing over two dead games
ãInaba Residentã
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Morrigan play (and also Vergil) has been more harmful to the game than Zero. Zero does not deny out entire teams especially lower tiered teams. I have lost count of the times ChrisG denied an interesting team from winning a major just wanted cause that team lost to ChrisG's team at the character select. That phenomenon doesn't exist against Zero. As much as I hate Zero and think he's god damn broke... he is not as harmful to the health of the game as Morrigan is. It's not about "slowing down" the game, characters just don't have options against that. It's the polar opposite of the rushdown/mix up playstyle... if Firebrand doesn't allow you to play when you get hit then Morrigan does not allow you to play in neutral when AV is up (unless you are using a select few characters). It doesn't matter how good or smart you are... your point Felicia team isn't doing crap against Morrigan.
Vergil has a different problem where Vergil denies non Morrigan zoning teams to be very good. You can't fight an anchor Vergil team if your team doesn't have good mix ups on incoming. A point Vergil team like Clockwork also denies any solid neutral game play because he can force himself in via teleports, Spiral Swords or projectile destroying normals. It was a problem in Vanilla Marvel because of Wolverine and Phoenix being good, no one could play zoning in that game because Wolverine could Berserker Slash through everything and Phoenix couldn't be denied bars by just zoning because of better meter gain.
racketpunch
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Never liked the comparison of Skull Girls to Marvel 2. One game was fun for 10 yrs while the other wasn't even fun for 10 minutes.
Professor Beef
Banned
All of those reasons why Morrigan is "harmful" are why I love Chris G's team. It changes the game from mindless rush down and forces people to start thinking about how to beat it. And since your average Marvel Minion can't think, they just fall apart instead.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
It's too bad Chris G is the one using it
If that were the case then we never wouldn't have ever gotten SF2 Hyper Fighting (to which Capcom USA was in charge of rebalancing).
There's not much thinking involved, your team can either deal with it or it can't.
Game hasn't been mindless rushdown for quite some time now. In fact, hardly anyone plays a team that is all in rushdown anymore.
I still laugh when someone who hasn't seen the game in a while and comments on how defensive/lame it is and it's not what they thought Marvel is about. Even in Marvel 2, lame play was a big part of it. The best teams are those that can do both and that's good.
The problem is not that it just shuts down rushdown it seems to shut down the game period. Like Dahbomb said not many characters can get past it once it starts going.
skLaFarebear
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Speaking of Mahvel I'm watching the halls of hype videos and they're so good.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
You know he uses vergil right
For the record, KBR team also heavily punishes mindless rushdown. Between those two (KBR and Chris) it's hard times for Wolverine mains. It's why both Justin and Angelic were forced to swap out Wolverine for Vergil in top 8.
And if you aren't playing Dormammu, Morrigan shuts down other zoners too. But that doesn't matter because Vergil counters Dorm.
And if you aren't playing Dormammu, Morrigan shuts down other zoners too. But that doesn't matter because Vergil counters Dorm.
Oh, that's great, it was still far more professionally done than anything the FGC did on their own including EVO's twitch stream. Though I understand that not every event could afford such production.
Professor Beef
Banned
He said "legacy game," though. SF2 wasn't considered one back when Hyper Fighting came out.
¯\_(ツ
_/¯Nobody is perfect. Aside from The Rock, maybe.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF-SvOONxYc
I don't root for people that don't root for themselves.
or people that fanatiq roots for
Parallax Scroll
Banned
It's a good vergil
Considering the time other Morrigan players spent studying Chris' team, make sense that they fight him better than most other players.
"God's Beard!"
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So what you're saying is is that Hawkeye/Vergil is the best anti-rushdown, anti-zoning combo out there.
Professor Beef
Banned
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";211210629]So what you're saying is is that Hawkeye/Vergil is the best anti-rushdown, anti-zoning combo out there.
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That team wasn't able to defeat mine though :3
That team wasn't able to defeat mine though :3
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
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