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Fighting Game Headquarters |eSports| 4444 Life
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Gunslinger
Member
Wow almost 63% drop from sfv when sfiv kept growing each year. I guess the 09ers have moved on with life. And hype for fgs are really dying out huh? Time from another dark ages?
notworksafe
Member
"dying out" isn't the phrase i'd use. "returning to normal expectations" is probably the better way to say it. last year's evo numbers were neat but not sustainable.
Talk about dark ages (that never actually happened) when we have over a dozen fighters coming out within a year.
Immortal Technique
Member
A dark age would be great for your concern trolling, we can only hope
Nah man, literally no fighting games came out between CVS2 and SF4.
Dark ages of Capcom games, I guess.
Holy Order Sol
Member
lmao dark ages
notworksafe
Member
by 2002 the top five fighters of all time (ST>SC2>CVS2>TTT>VSAV=T4) were all released, no need to make anything else
What you're saying is that Capcom is fucking up so that they can come back and look like the hero?
Genius.
Still can't help but think Jebailey moving to Daytona next year is a mistake. 2016 CEO was an outlier for him, he hasn't outgrown his current venue notwithstanding the internet/streaming issues this year. Also, asking people to take the nearest airport and then drive a hour+ to Daytona is a lot to ask. Wish him luck on his newest venture, but it's a huge risk for CEO overall because it it doesn't work out, I don't know if they can back to Orlando, the whole organization might be wiped out.
ChamplooJones
Formerly Momotaro
The whole "dark ages" of fighting games tale is bullshit.
notworksafe
Member
there is an international airport in daytona but it's a bit more expensive to fly into. cheaper than taking a cab 75-90mins though.
I see, thanks for clarifying.
It always comes from people that exclusively play Capcom.
SNK was hit way harder in the post-CvS2 years tbh. Clawing their way back from bankruptcy subsisting off of ports, court settlements, and those child molesting DS games? proper dark ages imo.
notworksafe
Member
not to mention the 3d mk games were in that time, though i'll admit i played the hell out of deception
lucebuce12
Member
wait, WHAT?
In terms of fighters between CVS2 and SF4, SNK released:
KOF2001
KOF2002
KOF2003
KOFXI
KOF: Neowave
KOF: Maximum Impact
KOF 98 UM
Rage of the Dragons
SNK vs Capcom: Chaos
Samurai Showdown V
Samurai Showdown V Special
Samurai Showdown VI
Matrimelee
Neo-Geo Battle Coliseum
So yeah, hardly just ports and DS games.
notworksafe
Member
Rage of the Dragons so fun
pardon the exaggeration on my part, but it was still rougher sailing than what anyone else was dealing with during the harrowing ~dark ages~ imo.
(98um and samsho slipped my mind, and I wasn't counting the eolith games. the rest I never found terribly compelling, tho i suppose i haven't played the power instinct games v much at all)
and DOA had a few high profile launches, right? wasn't one of them right around the 360 launch and got some buzz as a result?
My man.
DOA3 was a big deal on XB1 because it was exclusive and then DOA4 again was exclusive on 360.
That was back when Itagaki was relevant and talking mad shit about Tekken too.
And then Marn came and destroyed the game in the U.S. for years.
RockTurtle
Member
The Dead or Alive Xbox demo was a magical time for cheesecake. I survived through the Capcom Dark Ages
Eolith was partially funded by the founder of SNK. KOF2001 was developed by them and Playmore and KOF2002 was developed by them and Brezzasoft (all ex SNK employees, also funded by the founder of SNK) so there isn't much point in cutting those games out of the equation.
The years were dark for SNK financially sure but they still released plenty of games in that time.
Still hoping its characters make their way into KOF.
Pepe and Pupa pls.
Itagaki *exhales* that's a name I haven't heard in a long time....
followed up by the 15 minute "trailer" video for DOAX lol
followed up by the 15 minute "trailer" video for DOAX lol
Lostconfused
Member
hmmm wait, nvm I guess I can't remember somethings anymore.
The golden age of SNK
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Pls rerelease this stick when DBF comes out
strike while the iron is hot
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
This list reminds me of the something unrelated.
Samurai Shodown Sen was so, so, so very disappointing.
I didn't know this chapter of the SNK lore
shaowebb
Member
6.1 frames of lag in the MVCI demo.
Please please please raise a stink over this in hopes it doesn't make it into the final product.
Please please please raise a stink over this in hopes it doesn't make it into the final product.
lucebuce12
Member
Let's get it added to the list of things that Ono will fix.
shaowebb
Member
Im just hoping it doesnt get WORSE. The graphic stuff isn't even maxed out yet right now in this build, and this iterative pro console stuff has me worried about parity differences as well for some players. Its a given standard is PS4 but will pro play differently than regular in frames of lag? What about X1 and X1X users? PC? Lots of ways to play this and I'm not certain what the best option will be for players or if things will get noticeably worse on any version of the game.
Im kind of hoping this isn't as good as it gets at even demo spec right now. I'd hate to see it reach 8 frames again like SFV by launch. Here's hoping more powerful consoles equate to better results too. This hasn't always been the case though.
notworksafe
Member
6.1f isn't awful but it could be better. In the real world, you're almost never going to get below 4f. Even old arcade cabs still have 4f lag, so that's sorta my baseline for games.
Literally Marvel with lag! But no it's fine guys, Ono said he'd fix it, lol.
IIRC, every major but ComboBreaker has had a decline in entrants.
People call it "The Dark Ages", because outside of Guilty Gear, there were next to no reasonably budgeted 2D fighting games. SNK games were budget games still running on hardware from the '80s, and the move to more "modern" hardware didn't do much favor. Pretty much every other 2D fighter was so niche it wasn't even released outside of Japan.
3D fighters and Smash were doing well, but traditional 2D fighters weren't very healthy. Around the time of Street Fighter IV's release, not only did Capcom get back to making games, but Arc System Works continued on by making an HD 2D fighter, Mortal Kombat went back to 2D, with NRS being a force in the genre, Killer Instinct was brought back, SNK finally updated their sprites to a notable extent, and pretty much every Japanese 2D fighter was localized. Implying that the health of the 2D fighting genre wasn't weak from 2002 to 2008 is being disingenuous.
3D fighters and Smash were doing well, but traditional 2D fighters weren't very healthy. Around the time of Street Fighter IV's release, not only did Capcom get back to making games, but Arc System Works continued on by making an HD 2D fighter, Mortal Kombat went back to 2D, with NRS being a force in the genre, Killer Instinct was brought back, SNK finally updated their sprites to a notable extent, and pretty much every Japanese 2D fighter was localized. Implying that the health of the 2D fighting genre wasn't weak from 2002 to 2008 is being disingenuous.
6.1 is what MvC3 is on PS4. Probably fine.
Define "healthy" in an era without netplay and majors every weekend.
This is supposed to help them with online?
notworksafe
Member
good to know