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Fighting Games Weekly |8/17-23| It was a little beta this time.
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Shit's turrible
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Isn't that Yomi?
Lostconfused
Member
Until fighting games become popular enough that people don't feel inferior when comparing themselves to Dota, League, Hearthstone players.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
BlazBlue has you covered!
Practice
Tutorial Mode
Training Mode
Challenge Mode
Story
Story Mode
Teach Me More, Miss Litchi!
Remix Heart Gaiden
Library Mode
Battle
Arcade Mode
Abyss Mode
Score Attack Mode
Unlimited Mars Mode
Highlander Assault Mode
Collection
Gallery Mode
DryEyeRelief
Member
that's why those naruto games can get away with those high barrier circle circle circle combos. good story mode.
Worst is alpha 3 cause full Vism and which ever ggxx made rc and frc domineering.
Best is KoF13 that I can think of atm. And VF cause the only meter is health.
Now I wait to read the 3s and mvc2 hate machines
Parallax Scroll
Banned
I think the main thing that gets casuals/newbies into a game is story mode and maybe some kind of grinding for unlockables. And at least in the US, a cinematic style story mode like MK is more appealing than a visual novel style mode.
Professor Beef
Banned
Basically any game that lets you gain meter on whiff, I'm gonna consider terrible.
MiniBossBattle
Member
Trying to find time to get good at anything is the highest execution barrier.
I got in a match of SF5 before going back to chores and errands. Really looks nice and I hope to have time for it.
I got in a match of SF5 before going back to chores and errands. Really looks nice and I hope to have time for it.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Best: Marvel 2 with Storm zipping around powering up
Guilty Gear series, free. I love how fast you gained them. And since meter doesn't carry over, matches towards the end get crazy intense with all the tools you have at your disposal in +R. Worst? Alpha 3. You shouldn't start with full meter. Also, in V-ism if you got hit, your meter wouldn't always be reduced to 0. It would be reduced to half full iirc if you had more than 50 percent.
That'll never happen, and it shouldn't. Anime games have a hardcore niche they service who actively enjoys the difficulty. Note "Stylish" mode- it's not like the BB devs aren't aware of the barrier. Those games have a pretty high initial barrier to entry on the "not ezmode" side, and so it's not a big deal that competitive play as lots of characters requires all sorts of nutty execution requirements - if someone is playing already and trying to advance, the biggest hurdle's already been passed.
The issue in a game like SF is that the barrier to entry doesn't exist at the beginning- it's lurking when people try to make that next step up. Look at SF4- Hey, I can block, dragon punch! I can get a 4-5 hit combo into sweep! A lot of the basic mechanical stuff is really simple. But then you come to the "hey, I want to be able to combo into this Ultra 1 instead of just punishing firebals with it."
And the game says: "Ok, sure" Just go DP, P, MK+MP, forward forward, quarter circle quarter circle, PPP all within a split second!" This is a problem, not because execution-heavy games are inherently problematic (they aren't) but because a previously execution light game suddenly becomes very execution heavy if you try to take it seriously. It's a mismatch in philosophy that doesn't exist for the Anime fighters, because they're execution heavy from the word go.
I really liked the way Marvel had a learning curve built into the game, btw. It had EZmode (I've seen this be VERY useful for kids who are brand new), then you had the magic series once you could play at a basic level, and from there you could start adding in things that required specific timings for freestyle combos. The tippy top end ended up requiring nutty things, of course, but since most people aren't having to fight Chris G every week it really wasn't an issue.
SolarPowered
Member
I like how easy it is to build meter in Guilty Gear AC/+R. Some characters really rely on the meter and aggressiveness combined with smart pokes builds it ridiculously fast. All the Roman Cancels and Force Break moves resulting from that forward pressure makes oldschool Guilty Gear one of the most enjoyable anime games to watch by far. Skullgirls is also particularly unique in how it handles DHCs too. I don't remember any other "versus" style game reducing 3 or 5 bar supers to 2/4 bars when they become a DHC, but anything that allows for extra meter usage in a versus style fighter is a welcome addition as far as I'm concerned.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
There's a Marvel event going on and Yipes is there playing MKX all night. RIP Marvel.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Isn't that basically Saga Frontier 2?
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Yomi is fun
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Why wait for a patch. Are there some game breaking bugs or something similar?
RockTurtle
Member
FadedRevolution
Member
what game is that?
Parallax Scroll
Banned
the fuck
ViewtifulJC
Banned
"then with good timing" lmao
anime inputs
anime inputs
How does this look like in game? Wouldn't it be super noticeable
was going to day Arcana Heart but that might be a different move
if it's what i'm thinking it is, the character goes into a stance at the beginning
DAA isn't really all that great. Game doesn't want you to gain enough meter to where you can FD too much if you stay on defense. I didn't really like BB and P4's Negative penalty even if they didn't occur often, but GG's didn't bother me for some reason.
Arcana Heart
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
That feeling when you type up a reply to a post in a character design thread then delete it all when you realize it probably isn't worth it.
Could still give more meter for getting hit- so many defensive options tied to meter.
Neg pen is just bad design imo. If it rarely/never occurs, why have it? (parsimony and shit) If it's necessary for preventing people just running away the whole round, your game is fucked up on some fundamental level.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Because you get meter for approaching. If you approach but then run away and repeat, and then use meter on top of that to help run away, they don't want that. Which is why NP will drain all your meter.
And getting hit means burst gauge gets refilled. So there's something at least.
PureYeti
Member
Kind of barren but I do get success in finding matches. Try to find nickcool1996 to add you on the Skype group. We had a couple of online weekly tournament so far.
If that scenario actually occurred, they could remove meter gain for forward movement
and further trim the fat
Forgot about burst refilling- oops. You can still never get burst if you start a round with little/no burst guage and get touched early though, no?
twozerotwo
Member
That's what people say before they get shipped off to Community!!
munity!
unity!
ity
Seriously, though, let's make sure that never happens.
If that scenario actually occurred, they could remove meter gain for forward movement
and further trim the fat
Forgot about burst refilling- oops. You can still never get burst if you start a round with little/no burst guage and get touched early though, no?
Oh, that reminds me, for anyone that didn't know, when your burst gauge is empty and you're low on health, your burst builds back faster. So it's best to even stay alive as long as possible, even if winning the round looks hopeless.
But you're right, next round at the start, you're screwed until you start getting hit lol
While not necessarily a best or worst, I wanted to give a special shoutout to Umineko Ougon's meter system for being particularly unique for tag fighters.
HUD: http://wiki.mizuumi.net/w/Ougon_Musou_Kyoku/HUD
Each character on the team has their own super meter with up to 5 stocks, and meter is (generally) built for only the reserve character when the point character deals, takes, or blocks damage. Meaning, the point character will eventually become resource-starved if left in for a long time, and you are encouraged to frequently swap between characters mid-fight in order to keep their resources up. Additionally, reserve characters can be brought in via special tag-ins such as guard cancel, burst, or invulnerable dash-in, at the cost of coming in with fewer stock.
While the point character can use the stock for EX specials or a highly-damaging rush super, the main highlight to having meter on point is to activate your "Meta World" which is analogous to Darkstalkers' Dark Force. In addition to providing buffs specific to the team composition, it gives free, unlimited access to character-specific supers for the duration of the Meta World, and acts as a Roman Cancel to boot. All for the cost of 1 stock. Unless the opponent's point character sacrifices some meter to "deny" the activation. But then you can spend more meter in an attempt to force it through. All the while, the Meta World duration at stake dwindles with each exchange.
Gameplay example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HpbyKk_u1E
Tizoc
Member
That's a good question, for one thing I dislike how KoF 13 gives you meter just for blocking normals.
That's one thing off the top of my head for now.
I'm glad you have to case your vote like us plebs and not be able to just put titles like this in immediately anymore
notworksafe
Member
I liked that some characters could store multiple supers in 3S. I wish everyone could do that in 5.
Karsticles
Member
Meter features I like:
1) Meter gain on approach (GG).
2) Skullgirls meter scaling during combos.
3) Many meter options (Cancels, supers, DA, Blitz Shield).
4) Meter carries over between rounds.
Meter features I don't like:
1) Advancing Guard takes meter.
2) Negative Penalty.
3) Whiff meter gain.
4) EX Moves.
5) TACs.
SolarKnight
Member
That just looks bad but it doesn't seem to actually be complicated tbh.
Narukami's secret super?
