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Fighting Games Weekly | April 14-20 | Some Permutation of "Daigo is Da Bess"

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undersakura

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The PIE revolution is here.
 
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BakedYams

Slayer of Combofiends
AnneIFrank said:
People talking about Marvel "dying" while I'm over here trying to play Melty and Project Justice :| It gets real silly in here. (PJ is dead and deserves to be dead. I'm not wanting it to be alive again, but damn that game is a riot)
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Melty and Project Justice cater to a very small audience outside of Japan, can't really help it when it comes to marketing games like them. Xrd will be a different story though, game is Kreygasm.

Also with Marvel dying, I honestly don't see how the game is dying. The tournaments are getting fresh blood in top 8 each time I see it and people are drastically improving their gameplay. Hell, the numbers I see for each tournament increase every year and the ball rooms for tournaments get so packed that the hype is insane.

Also, each time I play marvel at my game center, a new person wants to pick the game up and I teach them the basics to it with my other friends. Marvel may be stale but god damn is the game design exquisite. It isn't slow/boring as SF4 to some people (not me, love that to death) and its really flashy with good collision detection (edit: sounds effects, hit animations, exploding stars on hit, etc.) within the game.

Marvel won't die, it'll still be alive without live support with years to come. USF4 may change those numbers but eventually it will balance itself out and it'll be the same as it was now. Please don't hate on marvel talk cause when anime is spoken about here, no one is complaining to my knowledge, hell everyone loves it here and contributes to it. I even picked up Blazblue to play Tager cause of all of you.

Blah, too many words.

tl;dr

Stop hating on marvel talk and enjoy everything that's talked about here. Also, this isn't directed to you AnnelFrank, its to those who hate on marvel.
 
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Dahbomb

Member
I was with that post until you said "good hit collision detection".

Top 3 biggest complaints about Marvel 3 are TACs, character imbalances and absurd hit boxes. When people say the game is "random" they almost always are talking about the high damage and insane hit boxes in the game along with TACs and crazy mix ups. When you get hit by a move that has no business crossing up which gets converted into a death combo leading into a 50/5/ on incoming it's enough to make anyone salty. The hit boxes in the game contribute a great deal to ambiguity in the game.


I think you probably meant good hit detection as in what it feels/looks when someone gets hit in and in that I am with you. Getting hit by moves like Pipe and Bionic Arm FEEL like they hit hard. Some moves are bad in this regard like Zero and Vergil who have a ton of hit stop on their moves and their repetitive combos exaggerate this effect by a lot.
 
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Anne

Member
BakedYams said:
Melty and Project Justice cater to a very small audience outside of Japan, can't really help it when it comes to marketing games like them. Xrd will be a different story though, game is Kreygasm.

Also with Marvel dying, I honestly don't see how the game is dying. The tournaments are getting fresh blood in top 8 each time I see it and people are drastically improving their gameplay. Hell, the numbers I see for each tournament increase every year and the ball rooms for tournaments get so packed that the hype is insane.

Also, each time I play marvel at my game center, a new person wants to pick the game up and I teach them the basics to it with my other friends. Marvel may be stale but god damn is the game design exquisite. It isn't slow/boring as SF4 to some people (not me, love that to death) and its really flashing with good collision detection within the game.

Marvel won't die, it'll still be alive without live support with years to come. USF4 may change those numbers but eventually it will balance itself out and it'll be the same as it was now. Please don't hate on marvel talk cause when anime is spoken about here, no one is complaining to my knowledge, hell everyone loves it here and contributes to it. I even picked up Blazblue to play Tager cause of all of you.

Blah, too many words.

tl;dr

Stop hating on marvel talk and enjoy everything that's talked about here. Also, this isn't directed to you AnnelFrank, its to those who hate on marvel.
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I'm not hating on Marvel or anything <3

I just find it silly to see people saying it's "dying" while playing actually dead games. It's very far from dead and just the thought people worry about it dying amuses me. Hating on games is dumb btw, it's one of the stupidest FGC habits around. I don't like a good handful of games but I at least show respect.
 
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Dahbomb

Member
I was on the phone. If posts get too long then it's hard to edit. Quoting posts make the posts longer and thus harder to edit.

I was responding to Baked Yams post.
 
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BakedYams

Slayer of Combofiends
Dahbomb said:
I was with that post until you said "good hit collision detection".

Top 3 biggest complaints about Marvel 3 are TACs, character imbalances and absurd hit boxes. When people say the game is "random" they almost always are talking about the high damage and insane hit boxes in the game along with TACs and crazy mix ups. When you get hit by a move that has no business crossing up which gets converted into a death combo leading into a 50/5/ on incoming it's enough to make anyone salty. The hit boxes in the game contribute a great deal to ambiguity in the game.


I think you probably meant good hit detection as in what it feels/looks when someone gets hit in and in that I am with you. Getting hit by moves like Pipe and Bionic Arm FEEL like they hit hard. Some moves are bad in this regard like Zero and Vergil who have a ton of hit stop on their moves and their repetitive combos exaggerate this effect by a lot.
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Yep, thanks Dahbomb, what I bolded is what I meant, forgot the game design term for it so I just winged it, really tired from working 14 hours shifts so there might be mistakes.

And yeah, hit boxes are ridiculous, especially with mix ups. Hell, Nova has a damn glitch with skinny characters likes wolverine, spiderman and x23 in which he can do his own 50/50 mix up with an incoming box dash heavy -_- and he can even phase through spiderman if the players advance guard at the wrong time and nova dashes through him.

AnneIFrank said:
I'm not hating on Marvel or anything <3

I just find it silly to see people saying it's "dying" while playing actually dead games. It's very far from dead and just the thought people worry about it dying amuses me. Hating on games is dumb btw, it's one of the stupidest FGC habits around. I don't like a good handful of games but I at least show respect.
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Yeah I agree Annel but FGC gonna FGC.

Also, only reason I picked up an anime fighter was cause of Xrd hype here and how enthusiastic you were about it so I gave it a try and its fun but getting bodied makes me salty, gotta get my own copy and stop borrowing it!
 
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Anne

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BakedYams said:
Yeah I agree Annel but FGC gonna FGC.

Also, only reason I picked up an anime fighter was cause of Xrd hype here and how enthusiastic you were about it so I gave it a try and its fun but getting bodied makes me salty, gotta get my own copy and stop borrowing it!
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Yay! I'm glad my enthusiasm got somebody interested. Tbh I've been pretty blegh lately about a lot of FG stuff and have just been playing old games lol but I'm here to help with anime stuff whenever I can.

P.S. It's just Anne
 
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Flying High

Member
I do say that UMVC3 those are three most hated things I know, but I do think that in this game you need high damage because how the combo system is, if you change the damage in the game, you NEED to change the fighting system mechanics, like the scaling, hitstun and hard and soft knockdowns in this game.

But also you would need to change how some characters are in this game if you change the system mechcanics, like Frank West, Phoenix(Dark Phoenix in this game) or ANY character that causes long combos in this game(Zero, Magneto, Vergil, Dr. Strange, Dante this would effect GREATLY) and also X-Factor would need to change too.
 
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BakedYams

Slayer of Combofiends
Jazz-ism said:
its hating more on the sheep below the game rather than the game itself
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i swear they only act like sheeps over the internet on a stream chat.

AnneIFrank said:
Yay! I'm glad my enthusiasm got somebody interested. Tbh I've been pretty blegh lately about a lot of FG stuff and have just been playing old games lol but I'm here to help with anime stuff whenever I can.

P.S. It's just Anne
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Same here anne, been playing sf2 to reclaim what fg was to me back on the snes. anybody got recs on some really good and classic fg's? I hope they are purchasable on the psn store... (Capcom vs SNK 2 first on my list)

Flying High said:
I do say that UMVC3 those are three most hated things I know, but I do think that in this game you need high damage because how the combo system is, if you change the damage in the game, you NEED to change the fighting system mechanics, like the scaling, hitstun and hard and soft knockdowns in this game.

But also you would need to change how some characters are in this game if you change the system mechcanics, like Frank West, Phoenix(Dark Phoenix in this game) or ANY character that causes long combos in this game(Zero, Magneto, Vergil, Dr. Strange, Dante this would effect GREATLY) and also X-Factor would need to change too.
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I'll be dreaming up a patch list tonight so I can sleep peacefully.

And damn on dieminion. Sold his ticket for more sponsorship money or found himself a person of interest over there.
 
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Dahbomb

Member
Flying High said:
I do say that UMVC3 those are three most hated things I know, but I do think that in this game you need high damage because how the combo system is, if you change the damage in the game, you NEED to change the fighting system mechanics, like the scaling, hitstun and hard and soft knockdowns in this game.

But also you would need to change how some characters are in this game if you change the system mechcanics, like Frank West, Phoenix(Dark Phoenix in this game) or ANY character that causes long combos in this game(Zero, Magneto, Vergil, Dr. Strange, Dante this would effect GREATLY) and also X-Factor would need to change too.
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Without getting too much into patch theory talk... high damage in the game as it is actually a good thing. It allows more characters to be viable and it always allows you to be in the game. It also makes hardcore zoning teams less insufferable because you just need that one clean hit. It also makes XF less strong relatively speaking.

Imagine if someone like Tron had to hit someone twice to kill them.

Of course if damage were to be changed it would first start at the character level not a universal level (you can already lower the damage in game but it creates more balance problems than fixing them). Characters like Zero do way too much damage and thus would be rightfully brought down first. After damage equilibrium is attained in a high damage game only then can you think about lowering the damage universally.


ismk said:
Here's hoping that Rog nor JWong take Marvel.
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Hoping JWong takes it!
 
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Jazz-ism

Banned
im actually REALLY surprised there hasnt been a marvel 3 hack like project M yet


something like that would be AMAZING for the life of the game and would breathe new life into it...
 
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