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[Wired] 2024 Was the Year the Bottom Fell Out of the Games Industry (Yes, they blame gamers for failures of DEI games and Sweet Baby)

FingerBang

Member
You know I just watched that “Mr. McMahon” documentary on Netflix. One thing that really struck me was how Vince was absolutely obsessed with making the most entertaining thing he possibly could.

And a lot of times that meant swallowing his pride and admitting when something didn’t work and it was time to try something else. There was no blaming the audience and calling them names for not enjoying the thing he was pushing.
I don't know if their goal was to make him look like a monster, but after watching it I have huge respect for the artist/businessman.

He's probably a pervert and a piece of shit, but so have been many great artists in the past. Our sanitized culture is simply killing art.

I think people also overestimate the LGBT/woke stuff. These games aren't even doing that shit well. They aren't controversial, they don't push any boundaries. They just color/gender swap and give us the same safe shit you see everywhere else. Because now studios want every game to be for everybody.

The success of Palworld, Astro Bot and Wukong (and maybe Stellar Blade?) will have an effect, but the next couple of years will still be full of the post 2020 slop.
 

Dr.Morris79

Gold Member
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Cry harder bitches, nobody cares what you have to say.
That picture though..

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What utter flannels those wankers are.
 

Thebonehead

Gold Member
Why did you forget Astrobot?
I can't believe Astrobot was never called out as woke.

  • It has a non-binary character ( And a computer is by definition binary ) - Woke
  • It has very colourful levels. Rainbows have colours - Woke
  • AsTRobot has TR in it - so does TRans - Woke
  • Astrobot has Deacon - There was a gay scene with the Doc and the Military guy in Days Gone Ergo - Woke
Even Schrier was saying Astro is Trans.



/s obviously
 

ArtHands

Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I can't believe Astrobot was never called out as woke.

  • It has a non-binary character ( And a computer is by definition binary ) - Woke
  • It has very colourful levels. Rainbows have colours - Woke
  • AsTRobot has TR in it - so does TRans - Woke
  • Astrobot has Deacon - There was a gay scene with the Doc and the Military guy in Days Gone Ergo - Woke
Even Schrier was saying Astro is Trans.



/s obviously


That’s why it only sold 1.5m
 

Embearded

Member
There are so many things i would like to write, but all i will say is that if indeed these games failed because of DEI (which i doubt), then the market has spoken and there is no place for these products.

Also, SBI should have stayed low and shouldn't try to create some kind of moral revolution.
They should be cultural advisors and support games like Assassin's Creed to avoid mixing Japanese and Chinese history, and not try to change the entire protagonist of games like they did with Alan Wake 2.
 

Tams

Member
There are so many things i would like to write, but all i will say is that if indeed these games failed because of DEI (which i doubt), then the market has spoken and there is no place for these products.

Also, SBI should have stayed low and shouldn't try to create some kind of moral revolution.
They should be cultural advisors and support games like Assassin's Creed to avoid mixing Japanese and Chinese history, and not try to change the entire protagonist of games like they did with Alan Wake 2.

You clearly don't understand who SBI are.

In short: they should never be allowed near any form of media again and should go bankrupt.
 

MacReady13

Member
When will these fucking retards understand that the vast vast VAST majority of us don't give a fuck if a character is female, gay or whatever. We only give a fuck if it is there to NOT serve the story but inserted in to fill in a quota! We don't need to see ourselves in a game for it to resonate with us! I can't see my character in a 1st person shooter yet I still resonate. I played Resident Evil on Playstation as Jill- made fuck all difference to me!
 

ZehDon

Member
... Ball says that the blame for all of this can’t be pinned to a single thing, like capitalism, mismanagement, Covid-19, or even interest rates. It also involves development costs, how studios are staffed, consumers’ spending habits, and game pricing. “This storm is so brutal,” he says, “because it is all of these things at once, and none have really alleviated since the layoffs began.”...
It would seem the industry at large is just not acknowledging the realities of what they've created.

Developers have been making low quality, high volume AAA games for years. This drove down consumer trust. Then, they all decided to jack up the prices. The result is a demonstrable decrease in buy in. Gamers just aren't going to take a gamble on an AUD$125.00 game with mixed word of worth that's stuffed to the gills with micro-transactions that also looks the same as last year's game but somehow runs worse.
Publishers also decided to copy the movie industry model by re-structuring the entire industry around delivering billion dollar hits. Now, one high profile failure, or a string of missed sales projections, sees developers being fired in droves because every game costs hundreds of millions but needs to deliver billions in revenue to keep the pyramid scheme running.
The gaming press burned its bridges, killing the industry's ability to systematically swindle customers with fake hype cycles. They still try - see games like Concord and Veilguard - but that model is dead and buried. All that's left standing are soft-ball access media like IGN, which are little more than freelance advertisers for publishers, and are looked down on by most enthusiasts.
Then, publishers decided remasters and remakes were a good side hustle. Given the above low buy in for new AAA titles, gamers gladly buy improved versions of titles they know are already good, creating a negative feedback loop. Companies like Sony went all in, deciding its better to remaster TLOU three times rather than investing in new IPs, effectively cannibalising the future of the industry for short term gains.
This all creates a pressure cooker filled with petrol that's just waiting to be set off. And the diesel-soaked rag that serves as the fuse on this atom bomb is western developers deciding that the majority of their customers need to be systematically re-educated out of their "dangerous world-view". Their customers like the wrong games, like the wrong music, like the wrong movies, are attracted to the wrong things, have incorrect political understandings, have incorrectly calibrated morality, buy the wrong clothes, share the wrong memes, voice the wrong opinions, ask the wrong questions, and have incorrect dreams and aspirations. So, developers need to fix gamers by taking away their toys and showing them how to think correctly. And the more resistance encountered, the clearer the need for forcible re-education.

Now, you have an industry where every other game is either poorly made, a copy/paste ball of non-sense, deliberately crafted propaganda, or a heartless hack job that all still needs to sell 10 million copies or everyone is fired - and gamers are just about done buying any of it. That, my dear GAF, is the recipe for an industry crash. And once the dust settles, the industry will go back to doing what it seems to absolutely loathe doing more than anything in the world: making games that gamers want to buy.
 
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Stuart360

Member
I love how loony lefties still call anyone that doesnt agree with their woke ideology as 'far right'.
Problem is its not 2021 anymore, that kind of gaslighting doesnt work much anymore as people are so tired of this shite that being called 'far right' or bigots etc doesnt quite hit as hard as it once did.

Well atleast they have slightly removed their heads from the sands and started admitting that anti wokists ARE having an effect on game sales. I suppose even they cant keep pretending that woke games and products upderperforming had zero to do with anti wokism.
 

justiceiro

Marlboro: Other M
You recognize industry wide layoffs as the biggest issue this year and yet you think the blame is on internet trolls?

That's why the companies love to put dei stuff front and center. They know it will get all the blame for failures instead of all the cost cutting they do to maximize profits. And the media knows that, bit they won't ever blame the publishers that run ad campaigns in their medium. It's kinda of funny because in the end, they get kicked too, lol.
 

StereoVsn

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I don't think the games market is shrinking, but there are a number of factors contributing to why the industry itself is contracting.
2) AAA games have more competition from alternatives, not just indie games, but older games, GaaS games, etc. New AAA games aren't most of what people spend their time on anymore.
The last two decades of consoles and their physical games are killing sales of new consoles and their games. Anybody can buy a used PS2 for next to nothing and download every single PS2 game onto a HDD for free. Anybody with a PC can do the exact same thing for SNES and almost every Nintendo game since. PlayStation and Nintendo have so many great games available for free online as ISO/ROM that anybody could easily keep themselves entertained for decades without spending any money. These 'free' games are in many ways better than newer games and have superior technical specs that directly affect gameplay - SNES HW has no load times and almost no input latency, PS2 has relatively short load times via HDD and almost no input latency. Both PS and Nintendo's current gen consoles have long console boot up times, long game load times and significant input latency.

Both PS and Nintendo need to abandon physical media to save the future of gaming. New games will have a better shot at a future when old games are brought to new consoles via HW emulation(PS2/1 HW on a PS5, SNES HW on a Switch, etc.) and sold as digital-only games at regular price, supporting both studios and platforms. Until then the best way to play legacy games is always going to be on legacy HW, or in Nintendo's case 3rd party FGPA HW. In effect this situation forces users to play games in a way that doesn't make studios or platforms any money.
 

SF Kosmo

Al Jazeera Special Reporter
The last two decades of consoles and their physical games are killing sales of new consoles and their games. Anybody can buy a used PS2 for next to nothing and download every single PS2 game onto a HDD for free. Anybody with a PC can do the exact same thing for SNES and almost every Nintendo game since. PlayStation and Nintendo have so many great games available for free online as ISO/ROM that anybody could easily keep themselves entertained for decades without spending any money. These 'free' games are in many ways better than newer games and have superior technical specs that directly affect gameplay - SNES HW has no load times and almost no input latency, PS2 has relatively short load times via HDD and almost no input latency. Both PS and Nintendo's current gen consoles have long console boot up times, long game load times and significant input latency.

Both PS and Nintendo need to abandon physical media to save the future of gaming. New games will have a better shot at a future when old games are brought to new consoles via HW emulation(PS2/1 HW on a PS5, SNES HW on a Switch, etc.) and sold as digital-only games at regular price, supporting both studios and platforms. Until then the best way to play legacy games is always going to be on legacy HW, or in Nintendo's case 3rd party FGPA HW. In effect this situation forces users to play games in a way that doesn't make studios or platforms any money.
I'd be really surprised if retro console gaming was taking away from AAA gaming in a big way, but there are these evergreen games like Minecraft, GTA5, Roblox, Fortnite, etc and those make up a really big chunk of the gaming landscape these days.
 
I'd be really surprised if retro console gaming was taking away from AAA gaming in a big way, but there are these evergreen games like Minecraft, GTA5, Roblox, Fortnite, etc and those make up a really big chunk of the gaming landscape these days.
Bingo. These devs spent years trying to make games that some gamers will play forever. Guess what, devs? You got what you wished for. Those gamers found their eternal GAAS of choice and have no interest in moving on from them. How no one saw this as potential outcome is beyond me. Especially considering almost the exact same scenario happened with all of the World of Warcraft copycats 15/20 years ago.
 
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bundylove

Gold Member
Oh look the leftist media is at it again hahahaha.

Well guess what. Last year i went to indigo , lush, bath beyond, lego store just to name a few where i was greeted by a bunch of blue har bearded discusting creatures with fake tits.
Repeat, long hair bearded fat fucks with fake tits. I could womit.
But this year i saw none.

Soon this illnes will go away globaly and gaming will also become about talent and creativity and not about gender woke bullshit
 

Laptop1991

Member
It's simple, they are not very good games, with bad gameplay that are not worth the extra money they keep charging then add in the MTX on top, with bad stories and dialogue that keep preaching to people with agenda's constantly over and over and in the end gamer's don't want to buy them or play them much, even if they are on a subscription service, they already know this, and they are now telling us we don't own our games anyway!, not getting my money.

Great games will get bought in higher numbers, played in higher numbers, and will sell GPU's and Consoles like they always have in the past, but the industry doesn't want to make them anymore!,
 
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Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
And the diesel-soaked rag that serves as the fuse on this atom bomb is western developers deciding that the majority of their customers need to be systematically re-educated out of their "dangerous world-view". Their customers like the wrong games, like the wrong music, like the wrong movies, are attracted to the wrong things, have incorrect political understandings, have incorrectly calibrated morality, buy the wrong clothes, share the wrong memes, voice the wrong opinions, ask the wrong questions, and have incorrect dreams and aspirations. So, developers need to fix gamers by taking away their toys and showing them how to think correctly. And the more resistance encountered, the clearer the need for forcible re-education.
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Well structured and argued! Thanks!
 
Wow. You know, if someone does not feel comfortable living where they are due to their age or sex or gender or religion or whatever immutable characteristic, that is unfortunate. But why in their minds do they think they're entitled to other people's money to pay for their moving expenses? Also, what are they going to do when they get to NY or LA and find out how expensive it is to live in those places?
 

hinch7

Member
SBI harrassed? Lol. Always playing the victim. They were literally doing that themselves with unhinged employees attacking customers and gaslighting everyone who dared talk back, and still are through connections.

Fuck that cancer of a company. We don't need more toxic grifters of that in the video games industry or entertainment. Forced DEI is on its way out guys, its something no gamer, or persons asked for.
 
Those God damn far right gamers! They just want to play as straight, buff KKK members with that hate diversity!

For real though. How about we just make normal games again that aren't unnecessarily diverse and gay?? Take a game like Far Cry 2 for example. One of the most diverse games ever made. It's a masterpiece. So as far as I'm concerned Wired.com can eat a gay dick, since they want that so badly want to be the norm.
Lmfao, make a "normal game" as if to say being diverse and gay isn't normal.
 

Zacfoldor

Member
Why did you forget Astrobot?
This only applies if I read your implication correctly. Astrobot doesn't fit the narrative so the poster selectively left it out, that is your point, correct?

However, Astrobot isn't apples to apples with the rest of those titles. Astro is an evergreen title that will have a different type of legs vs those more trad single bloom games, so any predictions of its success or failure are immature. Astro would be the perfect game to keep console exclusive particularly because of that facet of the game. It's a true mascot game and should be gobbled up by new and existing platform people as PS5 proliferates. If what I'm saying is way to early to say, then also, proclaiming its failure is also premature.
 
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mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This only applies if I read your implication correctly. Astrobot doesn't fit the narrative so the poster selectively left it out, that is your point, correct?

However, Astrobot isn't apples to apples with the rest of those titles. Astro is an evergreen title that will have a different type of legs vs those more trad single bloom games, so any predictions of its success or failure are immature. Astro would be the perfect game to keep console exclusive particularly because of that facet of the game. It's a true mascot game and should be gobbled up by new and existing platform people as PS5 proliferates. If what I'm saying is way to early to say, then also, proclaiming its failure is also premature.

No my point is Astrobot is selling well and it doesn't have any agenda in it at all. The only agenda is to have fun.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
The whole DEI thing was sold to companies as “modern audiences are diverse, they want characters that look like them, there are so many new stories we can tell with diversity, we need to end straight white cisgender able bodied men as the default!!!!”

Maybe they should blame this imaginary Modern Audience for not showing up after the whole gaming industry was retooled to appeal to them.

Man, it needs to be studied how you guys pivoted this whole thing from just being against ‘woke’ stuff to full on anti-black and anti-strong women rhetoric.

If your audience wants Hamburgers and you serve them Hot Dogs don't be surprised when very few buy your Hot Dogs...when they go somewhere else to get a Hamburger.

Turns out exclusively using ‘they/them’ pronouns in Hogwarts Legacy wasn’t enough to dampen sales.
Looks like people buy what they like and retrofit these arguments to fit games they either don’t like or are ambivalent about.

When will these fucking retards understand that the vast vast VAST majority of us don't give a fuck if a character is female, gay or whatever. We only give a fuck if it is there to NOT serve the story but inserted in to fill in a quota! We don't need to see ourselves in a game for it to resonate with us! I can't see my character in a 1st person shooter yet I still resonate. I played Resident Evil on Playstation as Jill- made fuck all difference to me!

How the hell did you manage to miss all the Intergalactic threads on the home page? 🤣
 
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