Fighting Games Weekly | Jan 12-18 | DaiGOAT

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Justin tekken roll.gif He was foretelling Tekken 7.
 
QisTopTier said:
I can imagine Shouta reading all this now
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Oh, I just got caught up. For reference, I banned GeoNeo and Kimosabae for being needlessly antagonistic. That's what is NOT necessary and exactly what Annel is talking about in regards to tournaments. If you two have a problem, you can PM me after it's up and we'll talk about it.

While I do understand that environments need to be more comfortable for players, I do think that we can't silence someone simply because another felt uncomfortable. There needs to be a tangible reason attached to the incident to enact a penalty beyond simply the feelings involved. Antagonistically popping off in someone's face would be something that I would say would need to be curtailed, certainly. However, popping off to the crowd or to themselves really isn't something I can say needs to be stopped other than for the reason that it brings the tournament to a standstill. If there's ANY reason to stop them doing it, it's that.

Edit: And it looks like Tik-Tok too.
 
ThatCrazyGuy said:
btw, I get Frank's PoV. I just think it's skewed, cause we have seen the video. Unless stuff happened off camera, it seemed all her fault.

His pop off was weird, not leveled with the situation though, lol.

Me personally, I am in SoCal. I don't see pop offs like these really when I went to SC or Tekken stuff, and even when I went to WNF, I didn't see alot. It was all very reserved, but still tense. People still wanted to win and were salty. I I liked it. People get loud here and there of course.

My line is when you get in people's faces and getting physically close. Go pop off to the crowd or to the air or the imaginary haters. Just leave me along with my internal salt eating my insides, lol.
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Well, doing what she did was unacceptable, and throwing her out of the event is what should be done in those cases. I don't think anyone is disputing that.

You're pretty much describing where I consider the line to be in most cases (there are exceptions like what I mentioned above), and I also agree mostly with Shouta's viewpoint.

This is why I'll be more likely to hit NW Majors or UFGT than I ever would say, a Big E or SJC event. I want to support the TOs who promote a better community.
 
Shouta said:
While I do understand that environments need to be more comfortable for players, I do think that we can't silence someone simply because another felt uncomfortable. There needs to be a tangible reason attached to the incident to enact a penalty beyond simply the feelings involved. Antagonistically popping off in someone's face would be something that I would say would need to be curtailed, certainly. However, popping off to the crowd or to themselves really isn't something I can say needs to be stopped other than for the reason that it brings the tournament to a standstill. If there's ANY reason to stop them doing it, it's that.
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100% agree

Jazz-ism said:
The girl admitted fault on twitter. Justice was served. Move on.
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Jazz I might stream later, if you're free drop by and give some pointers again :P
 
I feel you Shouta and agree, I just was all angry and ahhh. I'm not asking people to quietly walk away with wins. I'm asking them to just not be personal or aggressive about it, and that if people aren't handling things well to come to me/the TO and handle it. If somebody came to me and said "Justin throwing his hands up was too much" I'd be like "well that's just him celebrating, he's not hurting anybody." If somebody came to me and said "This person got in my face yelling or called me slurs or was being super aggressive" then I'd take action.

NEO0MJ said:
I think we should consider how the player does it, even if not in their opponents face. Also, it seemed that he flew off mid-match?
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Yeah a very specific complaint was the fact he stalled out the match for so long, which again he's known for doing. I didn't think much of it until now honestly.
 
Riposte said:
Bro, we got bannings happening left and right, get rid of that.

Also I don't see how Kimosabae went too far, considering anything in this thread. But whatever.
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I was gonna warn TikTok as well, but it's too late for him now.

Shouta said:
While I do understand that environments need to be more comfortable for players, I do think that we can't silence someone simply because another felt uncomfortable. There needs to be a tangible reason attached to the incident to enact a penalty beyond simply the feelings involved. Antagonistically popping off in someone's face would be something that I would say would need to be curtailed, certainly.
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I think we should consider how the player does it, even if not in their opponents face. Also, it seemed that he flew off mid-match?
 
Huh

Just caught up. .... I mmmm,

Thanks max for posting the Simpsons gif.

So guys have a popoff win and someone grabs them? I just saw the thing
 
AnneIFrank said:
I feel you Shouta and agree, I just was all angry and ahhh. I'm not asking people to quietly walk away with wins. I'm asking them to just not be personal or aggressive about it, and that if people aren't handling things well to come to me/the TO and handle it. If somebody came to me and said "Justin throwing his hands up was too much" I'd be like "well that's just him celebrating, he's not hurting anybody." If somebody came to me and said "This person got in my face yelling or called me slurs or was being super aggressive" then I'd take action.
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yea ideally people should be going to the TOs if they have any issue with that kind of pop off, which like I said earlier was sadly not the case. I mean no one is gonna have the foresight to know what happened was going to happen.
 
i do hate tournament stopping celebrations that go on for too long though,

this is specially true in smash tourneys, where the regular gameplay already takes so long to play out, and then you have a dude win one match, run out the door screaming like a maniac, and he was maining fox.

like come on man, that's like thinking winning with zero takes skills
 
RockTurtle said:
i do hate tournament stopping celebrations that go on for too long though,

this is specially true in smash tourneys, where the regular gameplay already takes so long to play out, and then you have a dude win one match, run out the door screaming like a maniac, and he was maining fox.
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then you have people who meditate in grand finals
 
Jazz-ism said:
The girl admitted fault on twitter. Justice was served. Move on.
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You know it's real when Jazz-ism is telling folks to move on.

AnneIFrank said:
I feel you Shouta and agree, I just was all angry and ahhh. I'm not asking people to quietly walk away with wins. I'm asking them to just not be personal or aggressive about it, and that if people aren't handling things well to come to me/the TO and handle it. If somebody came to me and said "Justin throwing his hands up was too much" I'd be like "well that's just him celebrating, he's not hurting anybody." If somebody came to me and said "This person got in my face yelling or called me slurs or was being super aggressive" then I'd take action.
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Which is the fine way to handle it.I think most people would agree that needless aggression or being too personal can go too far so it's best to step in.
 
You can't really ignore the underlying sentiments that go on in these conversations though. Sure, we can argue the details of this or that pop-off, this one being too antagonist, this one being quiet enough, but there's a larger issue about what's acceptable and that's where a lot of contention come from. So you got this image of the immature, loud, abusive FGC versus the overly-controlling, condescending, righteous FGC. It's pretty overt in this case and there's a lot to argue about, more so when ambiguity is pushed as a tactic, as AnnelFrank has been criticized for in the past.

EDIT: At least he posted his GOTY list first...
 
Annefrank makes decent points but his hypersensitivity makes it hard to take seriously. We can debate how wrong it was of shinblade to dance and gloat but lets be real, its competition and it isnt so rare. People who cant handle adversity pressure or aggressive behavior from opponents usually dont last, at low and high levels. The reaction was completely unwarranted and justice was served. She even used social media to admit it. She got physical over a video game for no reason and now she pays the price for it. Its over talk about something else.

mellis I understand you are emotionally invested in some of these things but you let it get the best of you. This is just like the DC thing. The problem with that was you were pushing for aggression with passive aggressive diction by writing articles without names and specifics for example. The problem now is that you seem overly defensive and its hard to take someone like that 100%

This post was hate free. Case closed
 
I feel you Jazz-ism. You're not wrong. I just try to avoid specifics and address the "bigger problem" and I get carried away.
 
Shit just got real.

Let's get back to talking about fighting games and how Yun's the most overrated character in SF4 history.
 
Jazz-ism said:
Annefrank makes decent points but his hypersensitivity makes it hard to take seriously. We can debate how wrong it was of shinblade to dance and gloat but lets be real, its competition and it isnt so rare. The reaction was completely unwarranted and justice was served. She even used social media to admit it. She got physical over a video game for no reason and now she pays the price for it. Its over talk about something else.

mellis I understand you are emotionally invested in some of these things but you let it get the best of you. This is just like the DC thing. The problem with that was you were pushing for aggression with passive aggressive diction by writing articles without names and specifics for example. The problem now is that you seem overly defensive and its hard to take someone like that 100%

This post was hate free. Case closed
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Goddamn, Jazz-ism is on fire. We getting Angel Jazz-ism this week?

But seriously, I'm going to agree with Jazz here, Anne. If you choose to be a voice, you need to be tempered, steady, concise, and clear as you talk about these issues. It would also be best to tackle it in the most effective way possible. The FGC, in my experience, is more about being direct and so addressing them specifically rather than in generalities is the best option.
 
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