Yo man can you give us some insight into your match with Joel? Shit was mad close and it would be cool to just see how you were approaching it in your head.
Fighting Games Weekly | Jan 12-18 | DaiGOAT
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Yo man can you give us some insight into your match with Joel? Shit was mad close and it would be cool to just see how you were approaching it in your head.
I mean, there's no point in stopping now. I'll just keep going until I'm banned or voted off the island. I don't like this general attitude in the FGC, I don't like trying to deal with it, I especially hate doing stuff like this right now.
Like I honestly would've walked away from this subculture awhile ago had I not put so much work in. I was about to walk away and not run KiT but decided I didn't wanna fuck my friends over like that, so I made it happen one last time.
Like I honestly would've walked away from this subculture awhile ago had I not put so much work in. I was about to walk away and not run KiT but decided I didn't wanna fuck my friends over like that, so I made it happen one last time.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
FGW | Forget it, Jake. Its Anime.
FGW | Where Anime Happens
FGW | Who's Bitch is This?
FGW | White Knights, Dark Day
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Well Injustice already borrowed from BB
I thought the pop off as it was portrayed in the clip was fine (though he should have finished his games first and not interrupted the tournament). I draw the line at personal insults and what amounts to physical aggression, like yelling in someone's face, but if you're just gonna hype yourself up or make fun of my play, I'm fine with that.
But I also understand from a tournament/event organizer's perspective why you would not condone such behavior for fear of escalation, and for reasons of inclusiveness, etc. It might seem intimidating for some to participate if that's what they see. (But is that on them, or on the people already in the scene or the people being rowdy? /shrug)
I think people could serve to lighten up, in general, and not take stuff to heart so much. Like, you would live happier being more good-humored about things. That goes for both ShinBlade and that lady.
But I also understand from a tournament/event organizer's perspective why you would not condone such behavior for fear of escalation, and for reasons of inclusiveness, etc. It might seem intimidating for some to participate if that's what they see. (But is that on them, or on the people already in the scene or the people being rowdy? /shrug)
I think people could serve to lighten up, in general, and not take stuff to heart so much. Like, you would live happier being more good-humored about things. That goes for both ShinBlade and that lady.
ThatCrazyGuy
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Fighting Games Weekly | Jan 19-25 | "Who Bitch This is"
ChamplooJones
Formerly Momotaro
Unfortunate for both sides.
Sooo....how bout that MKX?
Sooo....how bout that MKX?
Lostconfused
Member
Osu 16 Bit
Member
Guys Princess Kitana is back. That's more important than anime drama.
Riposte
Member
You are not going to be kicked out. You have to understand, you are being much more dramatic than anyone else. There's a bit of piling on going on, but it's not coordinated. You are just saying things many people find silly.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
ChamplooJones
Formerly Momotaro
All we need is Mileena now.
I don't mind seeing pop offs. Helps me feel alive.
Its a tough line to balance as I'd like our community to have an all-inclusive convention atmosphere most of the time, but I'm against depriving anyone of exuberant victory hype. Those interactions, good and bad, are important for the cliques that keep the high-level tournament scene going. They are also something that can be toned down through conversation. Even someone like All-Caps, although still intense, is greatly tamed nowadays.
This is, at its heart, still a community rooted in competition. Even someone as graceful in victory as Justin pops off aggressively sometimes - its in the nature of what we do. You bottle up emotions during all that focus, and they have to go somewhere. Daily occurrences on this level and regular targeted attacks would be worrisome, but this reads as just high emotion pouring over.
Its a tough line to balance as I'd like our community to have an all-inclusive convention atmosphere most of the time, but I'm against depriving anyone of exuberant victory hype. Those interactions, good and bad, are important for the cliques that keep the high-level tournament scene going. They are also something that can be toned down through conversation. Even someone like All-Caps, although still intense, is greatly tamed nowadays.
This is, at its heart, still a community rooted in competition. Even someone as graceful in victory as Justin pops off aggressively sometimes - its in the nature of what we do. You bottle up emotions during all that focus, and they have to go somewhere. Daily occurrences on this level and regular targeted attacks would be worrisome, but this reads as just high emotion pouring over.
MiniBossBattle
Member
Shinblade won a single game in a match, ran around while the opponent is waiting for game two and a girl tries to rip his shirt off. Anime.
I think I'd take any of the other female ninjas over Mileena at this point. Too many nightmares leftover from MK9.
RockTurtle
Member
no need for all that i think. she's your friend, no one would think you would throw her under the bus.
the one reservation i have, and i guess others, is that your words make it seem like you give the same weight to shinblade's behavior and your friends physical altercation. people recognize that shinblade was excessive but not necessarily to the point of malicious. You did good by applying a rule the next day, but you can't fault someone for breaking a rule that wasn't set in stone or stated yet till after the fact.
POP OFF celebration antics is a subject all of its own and is universal based on the amount of adrenaline, and talking about "this subculture" like its some sort of malignant growth. it's present in non-FGC events like sports, MOBAs, Smash etc. so to equate both reactions feels a bit disingenuous and maybe a tad like taking some blame off the constituents of this small scuffle.
just learn from this event and take it into account for the next, dont let it soil your perceptions
The Last Emperor
Member
I don't think this Anne frank kid understands how racist he sounds btw
Who's gamergate is this
Needs to be a title
Who's gamergate is this
Needs to be a title
CountBlack
Member
hmm.. so what's the final verdict on who was being a thug? The girl or Shinblade?
shinblade brehs
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I can imagine Shouta reading all this now
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I'm trying not to go in too hard. I know what she's done for her local scene. I've even been to a session at her house. It's unfortunate and I know this is just a fluke and a straw that broke the camel's back for her and that she's miserable over how she acted. I can completely respect your attitude about wanting to do what you can to de-escalate this kind of stuff before it happens too, even if I'm not down with the specifics. I was probably too flippant earlier.
As far as I'm concerned, the TOs responded appropriately by stepping in and putting a quick stop to things the moment they got physical, and that's that. I think the kind of verbal adversity as seen from ShinBlade (at least insofar as we can see here, which I again can acknowledge may be out of context) isn't just "fun" but actually good for the scene. Playing in this kind of environment for a few years has done wonders for my stage fright and anxiety in front of a crowd. And like I basically said earlier, shutting someone like that up by beating them is just flat-out more satisfying than an ordinary victory.
I can respect that people have different preferences on that front but I just have to butt in and take issue when people start talking about this stuff like it's a "problem" that needs to be "solved." People see value in this stuff and I don't like to see it dismissed.
You can do hype without being dumb. And if you've seen Justin during the past few years, when he pops off, it's never in a way that demeans anyone.
(old Justin a different story- but he's matured since then)
The question is: does your right to see value in it trump the rights of some others to feel comfortable participating in events?
Riposte
Member
Right, but people either disagree outright or at least disagree with the details. Please drop the self-righteous martyr fantasy though, because no one here is going to make you one. Gauging the responses, it's more like people are either frustrated or confused by your sort of obtuse take and the attitude does no favors.
In the end, I'm just saying let's not keep this running gag going where everyone takes part in it, because that eventually turns into a pile up. I'm not afraid of you getting bullied, but rather you storming off in anger because forums just sort of work like that. Generally, it's best for this thread to walk away from stuff people catch feelings over, this conversation is going nowhere and doesn't need to continue.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
justin's pop-offs are so bad they demean himself
I mean I didn't give the same weight to his behavior? He was allowed to attend the event, play, I treated him well all weekend. The girl was banned. After waking up and seeing a good friend of mine already going through hell being just "bitch" among other things, yeah I snapped. Are there personal roots with that? Hell yeah there are. I want it to be known /both parties/ fucked up in regards to this happening, and that it's another symptom of the same problems I always talk about with the FGC.
I'm so tired of this which is why I've been in the process of quitting. Many of my friends who love FGs quit and moved on because of this, and I'm just tired of it. There are real ass people behind these games and players, it's not the WWE.
Edit: I feel you 645. I come from a background with people who want to play the games but can't handle things like that well, so I want to look out for them. I want to reach a point where people know if things do get out of hand they can have some control to be as comfortable as they can be.
It especially comes off as a problem to me seeing the social impact of all this on people and having lost many friends I made through the FGC to them not being able to handle the clique. That's the subculture part, that's why I wrote that thing on SRK.
I'm so tired of this which is why I've been in the process of quitting. Many of my friends who love FGs quit and moved on because of this, and I'm just tired of it. There are real ass people behind these games and players, it's not the WWE.
Edit: I feel you 645. I come from a background with people who want to play the games but can't handle things like that well, so I want to look out for them. I want to reach a point where people know if things do get out of hand they can have some control to be as comfortable as they can be.
It especially comes off as a problem to me seeing the social impact of all this on people and having lost many friends I made through the FGC to them not being able to handle the clique. That's the subculture part, that's why I wrote that thing on SRK.
MiniBossBattle
Member
I REALLY hope that is not the title. Not cool.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
It wont be.
|ot| Axl Bomba
would be funnier if that match actually ment anyhing
Osu 16 Bit
Member
We play these games to beat people. To prove we're superior. Players are going to get demeaned.
Of course, and I'm in agreement that there is a manageable level to be observed. Having traveled through a lot of regions and played with a lot of scene-drivers though, I find it difficult to find an establishd, or agreed upon, base-line. What is perfectly acceptable in So-Cal or MI you'd be hard-pressed to find in Orlando or Minneapolis. Plus I've seen pop offs at this level in basements on up to the EVO show floor, with very varied reactions. Its why TO discretion and event security matters.
I used the Justin example as someone who is capable of both sides of this conversation, and has blatantly represented both viewpoints over the years.
RockTurtle
Member
FGW | for the want of a nail
EDIT:
kimosabae popped off too much?
EDIT2:
neoGeo with the follow up combo too!
EDIT:
kimosabae popped off too much?
EDIT2:
neoGeo with the follow up combo too!
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
But I already know I am
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
It won't. I would hope not, hehe.
So you, as a TO, would let other players decide whether someone should be DQ'd?
Riposte
Member
Damn it, now that's just ironic.
Yeah, that's kind of questionable, especially when there's money on the line.
I think this is commendable, and its a hard line to walk. We've got kids locally that we nurtured into our scene, because the truly competitive heads carrying a chip or an aggressive bent can be off putting. I've seen those shy or meek kids win though and pop-off with the fury of a thousand suns - and felt great about themselves having earned a moment where they could.
I'm truly not sure where the hard line should fall a lot of the time beyond "don't lay hands, don't verbally attack directly".
No. I'd have to assess the situation, consult another TO, then make a judgement call based on the information provided to me from more than one party. Assuming I(or another staff member) didn't see it and can't make that call myself.
Admittedly I would give the player involved the right to say "It's cool by me, let's play it out". I was ready to end that team tournie match but both players were wanting to play it out so it happened.
CountBlack
Member
DAAAAMN Shouta you didn't have to hit Kimo with the perma DAAAAMNNN
lmao
Emperor Bohe
Member
Hey guys what's going on in this thr-
*sees Shouta landing unblockables*
ALL'S WELL IN ANIME LAND. Xrd online is fine now, though ASW didn't do any favors by mucking up the original netcode on release! Like many other companies they should delay release if they feel like it wasn't up to snuff.
*sees Shouta landing unblockables*
ALL'S WELL IN ANIME LAND. Xrd online is fine now, though ASW didn't do any favors by mucking up the original netcode on release! Like many other companies they should delay release if they feel like it wasn't up to snuff.
Money will also change things. I doubt Capcom would look too highly on something like this happening at a Capcom Cup event.
To me, there is a base-line, which is to at least have a minimum of respect for your opponent unless its a genuine grudge match like Viscant vs LTG.
Holy Order Sol
Member
a huge part of it is him having trouble keeping his balance during them
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
btw, I get Frank's PoV. I just think it's skewed, cause we have seen the video. Unless stuff happened off camera, it seemed all her fault.
His pop off was weird, not leveled with the situation though, lol.
Me personally, I am in SoCal. I don't see pop offs like these really when I went to SC or Tekken stuff, and even when I went to WNF, I didn't see alot. It was all very reserved, but still tense. People still wanted to win and were salty. I I liked it. People get loud here and there of course.
My line is when you get in people's faces and getting physically close. Go pop off to the crowd or to the air or the imaginary haters. Just leave me along with my internal salt eating my insides, lol.
His pop off was weird, not leveled with the situation though, lol.
Me personally, I am in SoCal. I don't see pop offs like these really when I went to SC or Tekken stuff, and even when I went to WNF, I didn't see alot. It was all very reserved, but still tense. People still wanted to win and were salty. I I liked it. People get loud here and there of course.
My line is when you get in people's faces and getting physically close. Go pop off to the crowd or to the air or the imaginary haters. Just leave me along with my internal salt eating my insides, lol.