Fighting Games Weekly | July 15-21 | Post-EVO Pillow Talk
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Then you had Champ running Phoenix and Wong running Wolverine/Akuma. Sprinkle DMC everywhere.
Haha, evo crowd cheering Dark Phoenix this year was incredibly bizarre.
KidA Seven
Member
People exaggerate his decline if you can even call it that. If Daigo is being talked about like that, what do they think of Fuudo, or Mago, or Bonchan, or the others who didn't make top 8? Making top 8 is really good and he only lost to 2 Akumas.
He was amazing in Topanga League and at SF 25th.
He was also trying to win and I have no idea why people think he wasn't. He just can't beat his demon, Infiltration, because of a bad character matchup and also because Infiltration is just better at this moment in time.
chriskun
Member
Yeah, seeing the zero army show up makes me realize marvels dead, even fchamp said hes gonna focus on sf4 after evo
I hope Chris G vs F Champ happens.
and f champ runs that fucking dorm morrigan phoenix team lol
sf2fanatic
Member
Didn't Rog say that too? Most people aren't feeling Mahvel anymore
It's just asinine to enter a tournament and not play to win, especially if the tournament is EVO and you've made it to top 8 and you're are literally fucking Daigo goddamn Umehara. I was extremely disappointed in him.
perfect time for frauds like me to step it up
chriskun
Member
I just want to know what was up with that fireball game, jesus christ!
broz0rs
Member
Daigo just no longer wants to counter pick in this game and he doesn't stand much of a chance against Infiltration with that bad matchup. Even Tokido is starting to own Daigo's number now.
It's just weird because he did counter pick before. He countered Mago's S tier SSF4 Fei with Guile at Canada Cup and used Cammy in a few tournaments. Many people will agree he had the best Yun in Japan and its still arguably Akuma's worst matchup, but as we know he just wants to play Ryu now. Man, if only Seth Killian could chime in on this discussion.
He did worse in his first loss. What was it, four uppercuts in a row?
Ume shoryus just ain't what they used to be
toddhunter
Member
I think quite simply he has already won it twice. I'm sure he would like to win it three times, but I'm sure that fact changes the attitude.
Even more than Chris G, I doubt he has a lot to gain. He is pretty much the Chris Jericho of the FGC now. He can lose every tournament, spend time writing cookbooks and still be just as over with the crowds as he always has been.
sf2fanatic
Member
I want to see Daigo winning with Dan and Evil Ryu as his new go to characters..
A new challenge?
A new challenge?
call_kotaku
Member
I guess the gist is that he'd rather win with Ryu than win with a counterpick, but you can look at it as he'd rather lose with Ryu than win with a counterpick, even if Daigo wouldn't really put it like that.
It might just be a cultural difference in Japan, as far as I understand it, because going back as far as SF2 most of them stuck to their characters even in bad matchups (and SF2 had some genuinely bad matchups). Also keep in mind that Daigo didn't necessarily do that well in 2011 even though he picked a top tier, and I just remember him looking miserable the whole time. Smiling happy Daigo is weird to say the least.
reynald is the real filipino champ. oh and wobbling is my new fav thing.
I hope the steam release is soon. Also, good netcode.
Wolvie/Akuma is a B-tier team composition in Ultimate. Shouldn't be able to get through a good Mags/Doom shell or a Zero team, but Justin does it often - which is why it's hype.
Phoenix is the biggest risk in the game. She's still OP, but so much of a risk that it makes no sense to run with her. It's an all-or-nothing gambit now, and that's hard not to cheer for. I recently switched from Vergil anchor to Phoenix anchor and now I'm getting whiny ass messages and tea-bagged on Xbox Live, because people don't seem to appreciate how much cheaper Vergil is than Phoenix. Still butthurt from Vanilla, I guess.
Dante is hype when he wins, despite how common he is, because he's mid-tier. If it weren't for Jam session, Yipes would be the only guy playing him.
Dark Vergil, Doom missiles and Zero are the problems.
KidA Seven
Member
Those were probably the only times he counterpicked. Most of the time, he was happy to stick with 1 character and lose.
Tokido is not owning Daigo's number now. Tokido has largely been invisible in SF tournaments for a while in Japan. He's not even in Topanga League anymore because he couldn't hang (probably because he plays so many games). Though recently he picked up his game. Tokido did really well in the Topanga charity being the best on his team that featured Daigo and Mago and now followed it up with this Evo 2nd place finish a week later. Really impressive stuff. He'll have to prove he can maintain that level before you can put him above the more consistent Japanese players like Sako, Daigo, and Fuudo though.
Seth was making too many excuses for Daigo and Daigo's words were probably slightly lost in translation. Daigo does want to win, but he also wants to hype the community up. That's part of the reason why he did his Japanese Arcade Tours this past year. Those tours are also why you didn't see him in the US for majors as often as you used to.
Edit: Even though Daigo beat Xian in Topanga League, I think Xian has earned the right to call himself better than Daigo at this moment in time. He beat Daigo in that FT5 or something like that, and also beat him in a tournament a while back. So far I think INfiltration, Xian, and Sako can all say they are better than Daigo. Everyone else is on Daigo's level, or slightly below it.
He was totally dominant in arcades, and won Revelations and Norcal 2011, he just lost the big ones, Evo 2011, Godsgarden #4 (9th) and SBO (yes teams but not like Michael-tan and MDR didn't carry their teams last SBO or anything) Looking @ beastnote he went 34-5 with his Yun in tournament matches.
His switch to Ryu while an artform hasn't done him any better tbh. While his name is still big, he's not top of the mountain anymore and hasn't been for a long time, he hasn't one a tournament with a legit international field since Evo 2010 and I don't even know if i should included that since it was really just Tokido, Eita, Gamerbee and Infiltration + USA. (Doesn't help he no showed the last 2 Canada Cups and Shadowloo showdowns)
And people need to stop acting like Ryu is a weak character or anything, for one it suits him much more than Cammy or Akuma did, most people thought they looked ass, and Ryu isn't weak, not a Top 6 character but he's definitely above middle. And yeah people bring up that Mago, Fuudo and Bonchan aren't doing as well, well Bonchan was never @ a tournament winning/best player in the game level, this is pretty much what you expect from him and he plays Sagat too lol. Mago has dropped off period and Fuudo has as well since 2012, but in AE Fuudo outdid Daigo period, won Evo 2011, Godsgarden #4 and SBO in the same period that Daigo was using Yun. But for 2012 Daigo has been better than Fuudo, no argument.
KidA Seven
Member
He was helping out with the other Topanga Leagues as well and still participated in them. Why would that change?
Fact is, he did really badly (last 2 spots) in his last full Topanga A League, and also lost the playoff match which knocked him down to Topanga B League.
Of couse, if they do another Topanga League, Tokido will deservedly be in it because of his Evo placement.
GekigangerV
Member
I can't wait to see the Nemo sets. With the last two matches he has more money than the official earnings of UMvC3's third place finisher.
AhmazingArab
Banned
Nemo just beat chris galactus 20-10
Code:
Nemo ●○○●○●○○●○●○○○○○○●●●○○●○○●○●○○○ 20
Champ ○●●○●○●●○●○●●●●●●○○○●●○●●○●○●●● 11
Nemo ●●○○○○●○●○○○○○○●●●○○○●○○●○●○○○ 20
Chris ○○●●●●○●○●●●●●●○○○●●●○●●○●○●●● 10Betting against a player like Nemo, with a team like his, in the long set? Foolish.
Money changes everything!
Lining up the two matches like that, it's funny to see how similar the flow is. Match starts even, then Nemo just breaks a way (6- game win streak in both cases). The opponent starts to recover (3-game win streak) but then Nemo gains back composure, taking the majority of matches after.
call_kotaku
Member
Didn't Daigo peak as a player around the Alpha 3 days? He was good at a lot of games (3s, vampire, guilty gear) but was never close to being the absolute best in any of them, so is it plausible that he isn't playing worse it's just that the competition at EVO is getting better? If anything the Americans have been getting worse much more dramatically than Daigo has.
TurtleSnatcher
Member
Where are the 3v3 team tourney matches on the archives?
No, I know those aren't as good as they used to be, but they were amazing at one point.
I managed to get two hours sleep this morning after staying up until 6:30am... at work now and struggling to keep my eyes open but totally worth staying up for it.
My highlights (in no particular order):
There are no doubt more I'm forgetting but I need to grab a coffee to wake myself up.
My highlights (in no particular order):
- Reynald's comeback in KOF grand final
- Online Tony destroying Chris G in AE semi-finals
- Justin Wong's reset in Marvel grand final
- PR Rog sending Infiltration to losers in AE top 8
- Haitani being hype and making it as far as he did
- Tokido's comeback and mauling of Kbrad in AE semi-finals
- Seth crying... those feels
There are no doubt more I'm forgetting but I need to grab a coffee to wake myself up.
call_kotaku
Member
Actually, looking back through EVO results there's quite a few funny stories that I've forgotten:
Having finals for less notable/hype games on Friday and Saturday is a good precedent going forward, I think. I hope they adopt some rules for "presentations" on the main stage. I think trailers are fine, but nothing as drawn out as KI on finals day please.
- PR Rog tied for 5th in SF4 2009, under a different handle
- Lord Knight 2nd place in Melty Blood 2010
- Skisonic and Keits tying for 7th place in TvC in 2010 even though the famous "This is MY game" thing happened
- 2011 Tekken 6 top 8 of Bob Bob Law Law Bob Bryan Kazuya Bob
- That 2010 Women's Only SF4 tournament.
Having finals for less notable/hype games on Friday and Saturday is a good precedent going forward, I think. I hope they adopt some rules for "presentations" on the main stage. I think trailers are fine, but nothing as drawn out as KI on finals day please.
The Last Emperor
Member
Lmao at triforces stories. Tmz gaf
Triforce asked Chris g to consider rejoining empire once his contact with AGE was done. Fanatiq got mad and asked an unnamed emp player to join AGE. They then agreed to not talk to each others players. A few weeks after, fanatiq tried to recruit knuckledu and CEO. Then after flocker won Evo, fanatiq tried to get him join AGE. Supposedly, flocker had a couple offers from sponsors who wanted him to leave emp
Triforce asked Chris g to consider rejoining empire once his contact with AGE was done. Fanatiq got mad and asked an unnamed emp player to join AGE. They then agreed to not talk to each others players. A few weeks after, fanatiq tried to recruit knuckledu and CEO. Then after flocker won Evo, fanatiq tried to get him join AGE. Supposedly, flocker had a couple offers from sponsors who wanted him to leave emp
Seasoned Badger
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MikeBreezy92
Member
Whelp....after evo...I'm motivated...no virgil....
I'm winning EVO next year with Baek....
I'm winning EVO next year with Baek....
What happened to the 3v3 International AE tournament and the 7v7 EU vs NA exhibition? I couldn't find anything on SRK and Eventhubs.
EDIT: I'm now watching the rebroadcast of Melee Top 8 and it's my first time watching competitive play for this game. It's pretty cool and somewhat hype but I'm wondering why CRT TVs are used instead of newer television?
EDIT: I'm now watching the rebroadcast of Melee Top 8 and it's my first time watching competitive play for this game. It's pretty cool and somewhat hype but I'm wondering why CRT TVs are used instead of newer television?
I think the 3v3 was cancelled and the 7v7 was recorded by Arturo.
Talking about numbers (don't worry, not gonna be a numbers war), just an analysis since we broke some records.
SF had a drop of 20,000 viewers like last year due to timezones, but from a 145,000 total, so the percentage was better, 14% drop instead of 20%. The people who left the stream weren't "minions", but casual viewers, because casual viewers don't stick around this late and they are the one that make numbers big.
KOF did really well, I think there are two reasons: international viewers + timeslot which is not bad at all, people think it may be too early, but it's perfect for the international viewers and it's not that early. Game is a blast to watch, should definitely stay, just schedule it for three hours, it will never finish in two.
Smash viewers were high for two reasons as well: international viewers + casual viewers. The casual viewers are mostly Nintendo fans, people who usually don't follow FGs but watched Melee because it's a Nintendo product. There's a fanbase on twitch thanks to the speedrunners and other events like marathons (Zelda or Mario), among speedrunners Nintendo is big, Cosmo, Siglemic, Trihex, runnerguy, they all play Nintendo games and three of them were attending EVO. So I think the numbers came from that kind of fanbase.
In general I wasn't expecting such big numbers, from EVO 2011 to 2012 we went from 84,000 max to 98,000 max. Marvel getting the biggest numbers during the GF was great because people watched one of the best GF ever. Awesome way to show them why FGs are the best.
This is great for the community because SHs are gonna be more and more aware of how FGs are becoming big among viewers, I would say it's the only way for a game like Marvel to get a patch. That doesn't mean we're gonna do LoL numbers (we won't, LoL is that big because of China), nor the same kind of money, but the community is growing, unique and full of excitement.
Thoughts?
SF had a drop of 20,000 viewers like last year due to timezones, but from a 145,000 total, so the percentage was better, 14% drop instead of 20%. The people who left the stream weren't "minions", but casual viewers, because casual viewers don't stick around this late and they are the one that make numbers big.
KOF did really well, I think there are two reasons: international viewers + timeslot which is not bad at all, people think it may be too early, but it's perfect for the international viewers and it's not that early. Game is a blast to watch, should definitely stay, just schedule it for three hours, it will never finish in two.
Smash viewers were high for two reasons as well: international viewers + casual viewers. The casual viewers are mostly Nintendo fans, people who usually don't follow FGs but watched Melee because it's a Nintendo product. There's a fanbase on twitch thanks to the speedrunners and other events like marathons (Zelda or Mario), among speedrunners Nintendo is big, Cosmo, Siglemic, Trihex, runnerguy, they all play Nintendo games and three of them were attending EVO. So I think the numbers came from that kind of fanbase.
In general I wasn't expecting such big numbers, from EVO 2011 to 2012 we went from 84,000 max to 98,000 max. Marvel getting the biggest numbers during the GF was great because people watched one of the best GF ever. Awesome way to show them why FGs are the best.
This is great for the community because SHs are gonna be more and more aware of how FGs are becoming big among viewers, I would say it's the only way for a game like Marvel to get a patch. That doesn't mean we're gonna do LoL numbers (we won't, LoL is that big because of China), nor the same kind of money, but the community is growing, unique and full of excitement.
Thoughts?
Enordash
Member
Zero is just not fun to watch at all. I'm sure lightning loops were hype back when they were first used, but by now they are just annoying. Someone needs to run a tournament with no Doom, Magneto, Vergil, Zero, or Wolverine.
Edit: It truly sucks that KOF isn't bigger in America. It's understandable with how bad the netcode is though. It's a really fun game to watch and doesn't get the love or stream time it really deserves (in my opinion).
toddhunter
Member
No idea if any of that is right but it may be. The main thing different from last year is the niconico stream. You might also add another 10-15K viewers off of that, but it is also impossible for us to tell.
Bottom line is, viewers got bigger by more than I expected. What is better is that there was a lot of interest in every single game. Let us hope that translates into more players.