Fighting Games Weekly | July 15-21 | Post-EVO Pillow Talk

USD said:
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Nemo  ●○○●○●○○●○●○○○○○○●●●○○●○○●○●○○○ 20
Champ ○●●○●○●●○●○●●●●●●○○○●●○●●○●○●●● 11

Nemo  ●●○○○○●○●○○○○○○●●●○○○●○○●○●○○○ 20
Chris ○○●●●●○●○●●●●●●○○○●●●○●●○●○●●● 10

Betting against a player like Nemo, with a team like his, in the long set? Foolish.
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That cheered me up.
 
Karsticles said:
IIRC, the KoF team was entirely disbanded. A new KoF game is as likely as a new Suikoden.
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Nope, a new KOF and Samurai Shodown are apparently in the works.

From a translation by Professor from Madman's Cafe:

Well let's see, to point out the main highlights.. aside from what was previously posted on their official site, the job listing also recruits for

- Experienced Network engineers
C/C++, Protocol connection
(Programmers that can write realtime communication TCP/UDP code)

"With social network games and casual games bloating the market, we at SNKPlaymore hope to bring the joy of fighting games to people around the world as an established brand.

Our Samurai Shodown series is currently at its 20th anniversary, and our KOF series will be celecrating its 20th anniversary as well next year.

We are recruiting development staffs for our huge project: the creation of next-generation titles for our two most popular series."



And the ending sentences reads

"We have just started on our projects under the slogans of "The ultimate 3D KOF" and "The ultimate Samurai Shodown", and we will take our time to develop the games. Our results are still far away, but we are confident that you will feel a great accomplishment when the game is complete. Let us work together to create this project that fans all over the world are waiting for."
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And from Evil Yagami:

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- Kei Yamamoto is the head producer of the project.

- Many overseas staffs from USA, France, South Korea, and China also participated in the project.

- 3D Technology will be used instead of 2D Sprites to create the Next-Generation of KOF series.

- The developers are working very hard about how they will represent the 2D image in 3D !!

- The game seems is planned for PS3 and XBOX 360.

Development Staff - Pictures :

http://img.next.rikunabi.com/rnc/img/1331/o/0009773770.jpg

http://img.next.rikunabi.com/rnc/img/1331/o/0009773769.jpg

http://img.next.rikunabi.com/rnc/img/1331/o/0009773768.jpg

Source : http://next.rikunabi.com/company/cmi2037615001/nx1_rq0009773615/?fr=cp_s00700&list_disp_no=6

Source : http://kofkoucha.wordpress.com
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So I guess I can now say that I've beaten an EVO champion in a set. But only when he was drunk off his ass.
 
Westlo said:
He was totally dominant in arcades, and won Revelations and Norcal 2011, he just lost the big ones, Evo 2011, Godsgarden #4 (9th) and SBO (yes teams but not like Michael-tan and MDR didn't carry their teams last SBO or anything) Looking @ beastnote he went 34-5 with his Yun in tournament matches.

His switch to Ryu while an artform hasn't done him any better tbh. While his name is still big, he's not top of the mountain anymore and hasn't been for a long time, he hasn't one a tournament with a legit international field since Evo 2010 and I don't even know if i should included that since it was really just Tokido, Eita, Gamerbee and Infiltration + USA. (Doesn't help he no showed the last 2 Canada Cups and Shadowloo showdowns)

And people need to stop acting like Ryu is a weak character or anything, for one it suits him much more than Cammy or Akuma did, most people thought they looked ass, and Ryu isn't weak, not a Top 6 character but he's definitely above middle. And yeah people bring up that Mago, Fuudo and Bonchan aren't doing as well, well Bonchan was never @ a tournament winning/best player in the game level, this is pretty much what you expect from him and he plays Sagat too lol. Mago has dropped off period and Fuudo has as well since 2012, but in AE Fuudo outdid Daigo period, won Evo 2011, Godsgarden #4 and SBO in the same period that Daigo was using Yun. But for 2012 Daigo has been better than Fuudo, no argument.
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Ryu is most definitely mid tier. He sure as hell isn't top 10.
 
Professor Beef: Watched the Capcom panel from Evo, and Combofiend mentions that even though each slide has only three changes, they are by no means exhaustive or final. More complete and more final changelists are to be divulged down the road.
 
Daigo is just one of those players who is gifted at breaking down pretty much any fighter but isn't necessarily more talented overall than his peers. So you'll see him dominate early on in almost everything he invests himself into and eventually plateauing on a level even with most of the other top talent. It's played out that way so many times now.
 
Kikujiro said:
Talking about numbers (don't worry, not gonna be a numbers war), just an analysis since we broke some records.

SF had a drop of 20,000 viewers like last year due to timezones, but from a 145,000 total, so the percentage was better, 14% drop instead of 20%. The people who left the stream weren't "minions", but casual viewers, because casual viewers don't stick around this late and they are the one that make numbers big.

KOF did really well, I think there are two reasons: international viewers + timeslot which is not bad at all, people think it may be too early, but it's perfect for the international viewers and it's not that early. Game is a blast to watch, should definitely stay, just schedule it for three hours, it will never finish in two.

Smash viewers were high for two reasons as well: international viewers + casual viewers. The casual viewers are mostly Nintendo fans, people who usually don't follow FGs but watched Melee because it's a Nintendo product. There's a fanbase on twitch thanks to the speedrunners and other events like marathons (Zelda or Mario), among speedrunners Nintendo is big, Cosmo, Siglemic, Trihex, runnerguy, they all play Nintendo games and three of them were attending EVO. So I think the numbers came from that kind of fanbase.

In general I wasn't expecting such big numbers, from EVO 2011 to 2012 we went from 84,000 max to 98,000 max. Marvel getting the biggest numbers during the GF was great because people watched one of the best GF ever. Awesome way to show them why FGs are the best.
This is great for the community because SHs are gonna be more and more aware of how FGs are becoming big among viewers, I would say it's the only way for a game like Marvel to get a patch. That doesn't mean we're gonna do LoL numbers (we won't, LoL is that big because of China), nor the same kind of money, but the community is growing, unique and full of excitement.

Thoughts?
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I was definitely excited about the massive spike in viewership compared to last year. Could this possibly also have something to do with Twitch's new layout where they have the most watched stream on their front page, or was that there last year (can't remember)? I also want to say the added viewers from the Smash community that don't normally watch EVO but stuck around had a factor into this, because the jump from their game was really damn flagrant and where it all started. If you look back, KOF didn't get any sort of real viewer spike from last year as it peaked at +90k both last year and this year round, whereas once Smash broke +100k from then on those numbers were more or less maintained for the rest of EVO. But of course this is all just speculation.

I'm relatively new to all this and mostly just an observer to boot, but it's still really exciting seeing how blatantly this thing is growing in numbers – and not just stream viewer numbers. I can't imagine what it must feel like for those who've been putting in years of work into the scene and seeing the fruit of their labor.

RE:KOF, I was thinking the same thing...if they keep it as the first game on finals day it should be run an hour earlier imo. Most of SF finals could be watched in that gained 1-2 hours and everybody not on the WC can get some more needed sleep time. I know I generally miss out on SF because I'm too tired to stay up for it, but this year was an exception (was too excited to sleep).
 
Also, a quick shout out to all of the GAFers who competed in EVO 2013 this year, with an especially big shout out to GAFer GGA 16-Bit who made Top 8 in Mortal Kombat! Be proud! :)
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Thanks. This was our last shot to have MK9 on the EVO stage and I thought the quality of play was high and the hype was great. I loved this tournament. If it was the MK community's last hurray I'm satsified.
 
Osu 16 Bit said:
Thanks. This was our last shot to have MK9 on the EVO stage and I thought the quality of play was high and the hype was great. I loved this tournament. If it was the MK community's last hurray I'm satsified.
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Awesome job.

Remember there will certainly be a MK10. Given the improvement in Injustice and developer support of EVO, I'd say the future is looking pretty good for the MK community right now.
 
kirblar said:
The amount of people who think SF5 is coming out anytime soon in the USF4 thread is scaring me.
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I don't think we see SF5 until 2015 minimum. We are going to get one next-gen though, it's too big of a cash cow not to.
The problem is going to be avoiding another SF3 situation where folks who liked the old game felt it was super dumbed-down.
 
alstein said:
I don't think we see SF5 until 2015 minimum. We are going to get one next-gen though, it's too big of a cash cow not to.
The problem is going to be avoiding another SF3 situation where folks who liked the old game felt it was super dumbed-down.
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The thing is, due to SF4's longevity, you don't want to lead with SF. DS4 is still the logical initial next-gen fighter to lead with, as you want to launch the weakest IP while there's less competition.
 
Melee better be back next year. If you were there, you would know how hype it was, especially on Saturday during Marvel pools.

Sunday was absolutely amazing though, no doubt about that.
 
Anybody found F. Champ disrespecting that Peruvian player Zak to be completely unnecessary? That kid was waiting for the handshake I doubt he was mouthing off before the match.

I'm glad Nemo took his 1k dollars.
 
KI's particle effects are pretty rad

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I wish I could have seen more GAFfers. Only managed to get in with four.

I guess if I can make it out next year, I'll just have to organize the meet up myself.

SolarKnight, shouta, Killa Sasa, Ravidrath, it was cool seeing y'all.

Everybody else, stay free, lol
 
I'm so tired after this weekend. I feel like I watched 30+ hours of streaming.

Edit: Also, my favorite moments.

PR_Focus, running a train in losers bracket and that Hakan Counter Pick.

Justin vs Chris G

Crowd salty over Superman dominance
 
Sheroking said:
Wolvie/Akuma is a B-tier team composition in Ultimate. Shouldn't be able to get through a good Mags/Doom shell or a Zero team, but Justin does it often - which is why it's hype.

Phoenix is the biggest risk in the game. She's still OP, but so much of a risk that it makes no sense to run with her. It's an all-or-nothing gambit now, and that's hard not to cheer for. I recently switched from Vergil anchor to Phoenix anchor and now I'm getting whiny ass messages and tea-bagged on Xbox Live, because people don't seem to appreciate how much cheaper Vergil is than Phoenix. Still butthurt from Vanilla, I guess.

Dante is hype when he wins, despite how common he is, because he's mid-tier. If it weren't for Jam session, Yipes would be the only guy playing him.

Dark Vergil, Doom missiles and Zero are the problems.
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Dante is not Mid tier at all, he's top 15 free. Quite a few players play Dante without Jam Session like Green Ace, Disgruntled GOA and Yipes himself. That said Dante is still hype because he is not boring, is the most varied character in the game and he requires skill.

And Nemo is MM Fanatiq + casual mode Yipes. Will probably win a major if he played more in tournaments. That's a dominant performance over those two players who are among the very best.
 
RocBase said:
I'm relatively new to all this and mostly just an observer to boot, but it's still really exciting seeing how blatantly this thing is growing in numbers – and not just stream viewer numbers. I can't imagine what it must feel like for those who've been putting in years of work into the scene and seeing the fruit of their labor.

RE:KOF, I was thinking the same thing...if they keep it as the first game on finals day it should be run an hour earlier imo. Most of SF finals could be watched in that gained 1-2 hours and everybody not on the WC can get some more needed sleep time. I know I generally miss out on SF because I'm too tired to stay up for it, but this year was an exception (was too excited to sleep).
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While KOF didn't do last year numbers, you have to remember that it was because last year KOF had a better timeslot. If you compare the first game streamed last year to KOF this year it grew by up a lot, I think Soul Calibur V was around 50,000 viewers.

QuikZilver said:
Anybody found F. Champ disrespecting that Peruvian player Zak to be completely unnecessary? That kid was waiting for the handshake I doubt he was mouthing off before the match.

I'm glad Nemo took his 1k dollars.
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That's FChamp being FChamp, when he thinks someone is a scrub he acts like that.
 
Dahbomb said:
Dante is not Mid tier at all, he's top 15 free. Quite a few players play Dante without Jam Session like Green Ace, Disgruntled GOA and Yipes himself. That said Dante is still hype because he is not boring, is the most varied character in the game and he requires skill.
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yea i watched all of cloud085's matches, and there was a ton of new Dante stuff I hadn't seen before. Really the most creative ZMC player out there.
 
Dante is one of those characters where it becomes obvious in half a minute who knows how to play the character and who is playing Jam Session Dante.
 
chriskun said:
Yeah, seeing the zero army show up makes me realize marvels dead, even fchamp said hes gonna focus on sf4 after evo
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Marvel dies every single time a character is shown to be strong even though

1) The fraudulent ones who didn't know how to play their other two chars got beaten.
2) Zak was the only questionable player in the top 8
3) a very long time Zero player won after losing tons of majors for years
4) A wolvie/storm/akuma team did amazing on good fundamentals + solid play and came very close to winning the whole thing
5) The character variety was still pretty good all around

people never seem to see the forest for the trees with this game and just whine about the thing that looks difficult to beat
 
Dahbomb said:
Dante is one of those characters where it becomes obvious in half a minute who knows how to play the character and who is playing Jam Session Dante.
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That grapple on Doom was amazing simply because you had to ask "why have I never seen this beforre?"
 
Every time I watch EVO, it makes me want to get into fighters again more than just casually.

Then I remember I'm 36 now, and all I have to show for the last 20 years anyway is one win at a local tournament because no one good showed up.
 
Dahbomb said:
Dante is one of those characters where it becomes obvious in half a minute who knows how to play the character and who is playing Jam Session Dante.
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I knew cloud was actually playing Dante the moment he actually went to Devil Trigger for set-ups and pressure, not just to make unsafe things safe or chip with Thunderbolt
 
Still on a high after EVO.

My highlights:
  • Justin's amazing set with ChrisG, thought he was done and he clutched it out.
  • Infiltration's set with PR_Rog and that Hakan counter pick. So much for me to learn from that, at one point I think he canceled oil dive with D+PPP which I didn't even know was possible. Mega respect for Infiltration's play this year, no reliance on demons, either.
  • Xian's Gen play, so dominant. A real passing of the torch this year to the younger players.
  • Reynald running a train through losers and that GF set.
  • Wobble combos in GF! Plus earlier in top 8 Wobblez v Hungrybox had everything, including mad salt and the stare of death.
  • Justin's heartbreaking failure to kill Zero in the final match with Flocker.
  • FChamp going maximum nWo only to get taken out by Cloud805 in his next match.
  • MikeZ hyping up how Lab Zero locked out the start button to avoid problems; Severin promptly derps the Home button to forefeit a match.
  • Daigo and Valle playing Super Turbo.
  • Crowd chanting along with the fireballs in the Tokido/Infiltration Akuma mirror match
  • Poongko's hair.
  • AE pools were incredible.
  • Getting hyped for the possibility of Asura making Ultra only to see the dream crushed.
  • FGC-GAF being such a great community to watch the games with.


JDdelphin said:
[Infiltration] has aspergers, let him be
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True or just a joke? I am interested in atypical neurology & how it shows up in gamers, so very curious.

FSLink said:
Yeah, still thinking it's either Haggar, or perhaps a cross promotion like a Darkstalkers character to get people more excited about a possible Darkstalkers IV.
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I don't think it will be Darkstalkers unless they are planning to mix universes, which they have to date saved for crossover games.

Dahbomb said:
Is anyone else kinda worried about the balance in USF4? I think AE 2012 has pretty solid balance but now that USF4 is coming with new characters I can't help but think they might mess up somewhere. Either make one of the new characters too good or too shit.
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Yeah, I think everyone is or should be. I just hope we get a follow on patch.

kirblar said:
The amount of people who think SF5 is coming out anytime soon in the USF4 thread is scaring me.
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The USF thread in general started to bum me out. I got tired of typing out responses to the drive-bys and not posting them, and left.
 
Hitokage said:
Then you had Champ running Phoenix and Wong running Wolverine/Akuma. Sprinkle DMC everywhere.

Haha, evo crowd cheering Dark Phoenix this year was incredibly bizarre.
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Marvel brings out the weird in people:
-Cheering for Dark Phoenix
-Cheering for JWong running away and timing ChrisG out
-Cheering for Wolverine
-Cheering for Vergil

The hate toward certain players/characters is strong.

kirblar said:
The thing is, due to SF4's longevity, you don't want to lead with SF. DS4 is still the logical initial next-gen fighter to lead with, as you want to launch the weakest IP while there's less competition.
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Darkstalkers 4 is never logical, IMO, and certainly not as a generation starter. You need something that makes people interested, not something that is easy to pass up. As much as I love Darkstalkers, it's easy to pass up for most people, like TvC. CAS is the logical choice for a next-gen fighter.
 
BTW Champ said that Dhalsim would get 2 hit stand fierce in his "dream" which is another way of saying his insider.

Guess what he also "dreamed" of...
 
Kikujiro said:
While KOF didn't do last year numbers, you have to remember that it was because last year KOF had a better timeslot. If you compare the first game streamed last year to KOF this year it grew by up a lot, I think Soul Calibur V was around 50,000 viewers.
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I actually thought about this when I was writing my previous post, but then attributed it to the fact that maybe it had more to do with its consistent following (it did do last year's numbers, it just didn't really exceed them – and I think KOF has always had more stream viewers than SC, Tekken and MK but someone can correct me on this). Still a good point though, now I'd like to see all of last year's numbers and compare them to this year's from a time slot perspective.

kick51 said:
Marvel dies every single time a character is shown to be strong even though

1) The fraudulent ones who didn't know how to play their other two chars got beaten.
2) Zak was the only questionable player in the top 8
3) a very long time Zero player won after losing tons of majors for years
4) A wolvie/storm/akuma team did amazing on good fundamentals + solid play and came very close to winning the whole thing
5) The character variety was still pretty good all around

people never seem to see the forest for the trees with this game and just whine about the thing that looks difficult to beat
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Yeah, just knee-jerk reactions I'd say. All those people claiming they'll quit Marvel will be back but with a stronger thirst.
 
vocab said:
I'm not gonna lie, injustice was kinda unhype. Not sure if it was the lack of volume from the game, or the commentators not delivering (ultradavid was fine, the other guy I wasn't digging). CEO, and UFGTV was much more enjoyable to watch for injustice.

Superman is fucking ridiculous, and completely made every character look free as shit.
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I agree, except that the ChrisG zoning/staredown matches were pretty tense. ChrisG is easily the most entertaining Injustice player to watch right now.

kick51 said:
Yeah, i had to troll the peeps who seemed obsessed with stream numbers. The Evo thread was quickly turning into a fucking NPD thread. Thankfully Marvel started right after that and the stream viewer count idiots aren't regulars in any fighting game thread.
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But it's important that my favorite game wins because
 
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