He renewed his contract though.
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Fighting Games Weekly | September 10-16
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He renewed his contract though.
Yeah, I just wouldn't expect him to do it a second time.
I love watching games like ST, but I kind of agree with this. You COULD play MTG where everyone had to pick from one of 12 premade decks, but the draw is the infinite combinations and possibilites associated with crafting your deck, creating your new new strategies, and adapting on the fly to things you've never seen before.
crimzonflame
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Damn these GFs started 40 minutes ago.
WesternHeretic
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Looks like I'm going to be missing Aftershock SaturdayHope there are archives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6z_cilnJzg
From my perspective as someone who generally doesn't watch streams unless it's for big majors, I can see this being interesting for most games that aren't Street Fighter. In my opinion, new tech is cool and all, but as a player the stability of the game and the predictability of matchups allow me to worry more about playing the player over worrying about random "cool new tech!"
Parallax Scroll
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mahvel
fooblat vs flux let's go
fooblat vs flux let's go
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
M.O.B.L.A.T.
Indeed.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
ChrisG going old school.
Parallax Scroll
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Fuck, I need a replay!
"God's Beard!"
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"Can't say who I said fuck you to" = contractual obligations
I think what happened is, CCLive wasn't making money or growning fast enough, Mike Ross wasn't winning anything so him and Goo are out, Combo wasn't doing either plus potential retirement so he's out, FChamp is the king of Marvel and Complexity gave him a raise. Essentially FChamp was doing the best job of raising their brand with 24/7 coverage and the most wins, while CClive was floundering with a few thousand views every week at a much higher production cost. I bet Goo tried to make his case and they weren't cooperative so he got pissed. I dunno.
WesternHeretic
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.... Gootecks and Mike Ross will probably end up making more money now growing their Youtube channel then with Col.
GET THAT GOOGLE MONEY!
Excellent adventures is an excellent idea!
GET THAT GOOGLE MONEY!
Excellent adventures is an excellent idea!
antikythera
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Dude, exactly. I love MTG too. Ever played one of those shitty Planeswalkers 2012 games where the only "deck building" you can do is with a few sideboard substitutions? How horrifyingly dull those games are compared to the real MTG or MTGO where you build your deck from scratch!
Such a great game. Sadly it's too expensive for me to play as often as I'd like, and Planeswalkers is pretty much useless as a substitute.
This is really why MvC2/3 shine- they're customizable, but not in a way like w/ the gems where it's just stupid stat bonuses. You have to make it work and learn to play it your way.
"God's Beard!"
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I dunno, by all accounts the FGC isn't as big as people like to think, maybe 30,000-60,000 people with an active interest in the community. It's like Gootecks said, they'd be making more money doing the exact same thing for basically anything else. That's why he has so many side projects. The FGC is a clubhouse. To be honest with you, I think we're on the tail-end of the FGC bubble SF4 started.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
yo let's punish a jab with gravity squeeze
Duxxy3
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That's awesome!
Within the last month, I've made $500 playing M:TG and qualified myself for 4 invitational tournaments, each with a total prize pot of $50K.
And I didn't even win a tournament.
Those numbers simply aren't possible in the FGC due to the current economics, and that's a big piece of the puzzle that needs to be figured out here- how do you monetize this stuff in order to help expand the scene?
Bobby Roberts
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Did Champ really raise Complexity's brand, though? I'd argue that Champ raised CHAMP'S brand, which is essentially "I'm the single most hated player in the FGC." I don't know how much that helps Complexity, overall. Not that Jason Lake is banking on all of his players being likable, fresh faced young men (although maybe he put an emphasis on that before) but my baseless speculation runs as such: I get the sense Lake thought expanding into fighting games would be a great move, but didn't really understand the scene, and ended up somehow stumbling around and getting in the way of the players he chose to sponsor, thus alienating them, thus causing all of them except for one to leave, the only one who doesn't compose himself professionally in a means similar to the other three, who thus probably doesn't have a problem with whatever behind-the-scenes meddling led to Gootecks going on hiatus.
Also, maybe Lake/Complexity realized that the potential money in fighting games wasn't what he thought it might be, and Gootecks/Ross/Rosas realized that the potential for extra earnings w/ complexity wasn't going to be realized in a way they couldn't replicate on their own w/ their own hustles, and thus decided to part ways, their interesting experiment having run its course.
Maybe it's a blend of both. (shrug) I'm sure some journalist somewhere will write a book about it. Won't be the first time someone followed Jason Lake around and got some really interesting stories.
WesternHeretic
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Who said anything about fighting gaming?
I was implying growing their youtube channel as in CrossCounterTV. Doesn't even have to be even fighting game related. They can start doing Vlogs of "daily life of a Gootecks and Mike Ross" where they just go around doing stupid shit.
I think Max has like 90k? ish subs now. I'm sure some of that come from his COD vids, and other non FG related stuff. I have no clue what's DSP is at now, but Gootecks/Mike can totally do what DSP does and make it 208328032 times more entertaining.
If Mike Ross has connection to Michelle Phan anything is possible!
P.S Anyone remember "Real life adventures with Gootecks and Mike Ross? I miss those"
CountBlack
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Yea when I got the game I got a $10 gift card
Bobby Roberts
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I agree with this, too, actually. I know lots of people in here like to equate fighting game pros with Pro Wrestlers and such, especially considering the livestreams that are more like hourlong shoots, and all the backbiting and shit-talking that sound nothing more like pre-match promos with Mene Gene Okerlund.
But really, it reminds me more of the Pro Poker circuit that blew up in the mid/late 90s on ESPN. Valle's like Doyle Brunson, Mike Ross is like Phil Ivey, Champ is like Phil Hellmuth, Daigo is like Johnny Chan, so on and so forth. Yeah, good players will every now and again wind up in that circle, but for the most part, it's anywhere between 30-50 players that are known, that people want to watch...and that's it. It's a closed loop. A clubhouse. The entertainment comes in watching those 30 bounce off each other in different ways, with different games.
WesternHeretic
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How is Valle Doyle when Daigo is Johnny Chan? Mike Ross as Phil Ivey? Yea right.... it's because they are both black huh? Mike hasn't won shit!
"God's Beard!"
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Bobby Roberts
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Doyle = old as dirt. Valle = the old man.
Chan = the first worldwide superstar. Daigo = ditto
Phil Ivey = smooth, personable, pretty. Mike Ross = Mike Ross.
I notice you didn't complain about the Hellmuth/Champ comparison
If I wanted to go further:
Daniel Negreanu = Combofiend
Clockwork = Howard Lederer
That applies to every form of entertainment, whether it be sports, music, movies or even competitive gaming. People simply want to watch the best or most entertaining in their field. It might be a bit much to describe it as a closed loop. It just takes a lot of work to make a noticeable impact.
WesternHeretic
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Doyle = old as dirt. Valle = the old man.
Chan = the first worldwide superstar. Daigo = ditto
Phil Ivey = smooth, personable, pretty. Mike Ross = Mike Ross.
I notice you didn't complain about the Hellmuth/Champ comparison
If I wanted to go further:
Daniel Negreanu = Combofiend
Clockwork = Howard Lederer
Yea but Kuni is older than Valle.
I didn't argued about the Daigo/Chan comparison it just funny that Chan/Doyle are on the same level but their age gap is huge while Daigo/Valle on the same level (well Daigo a little higher) but their age gap isn't that huge.
Hellmuth's and Champ's mouth are on the same level so let just leave that at that. =)
Combofiend... hmmm he deserve someone bigger... and bulkier.
Cl0ckw0rk as Howard? I don't know sure... I have a reason in my head but I'm not going to say it cause Cl0ck actually reads GAF. =)
P.S did you just call Phil "pretty"? I don't even...
You're right, but they already have a fanbase which is harder said than done. I don't see why not capitalize on it and build more. The hardest part is getting people to buy in to whatever you're selling and if you can get 40,000 that mean you must of had a formula that worked at one point. Why not try and expand on that... they always said the first million is the hardest. I think it's much easier to branch into other categories once you already have an establish fan base than try to spread yourself thin building a fan base.
ipitydatfu
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i dont get the DSP appeal. if i want to see an old guy complain whine about games, i'd try to piss off my dad
PartTimeWarrior
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Markman... its ok man. You gotta realize TTT2 is going to be a one hit wonder compared to SFxT. You should be pushing sticks for that game instead
Bobby Roberts
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I don't think so at all. Hell, Hollywood barely even has a reliable "star system" anymore, not since producers discovered it's better to base movies off brands/existing properties rather than building movies around a single movie star, like in the 80s/90s. Once you factor in television's rise as a legitimate artistic medium, the number of actors/writers/directors who can be considered a draw gets BIG. Very inclusive. And the sporting world turns over its "superstars" at a pretty rapid pace anymore, especially in football/basketball/baseball.
Again - I'm making loose comparisons, here, not unassailable 1 to 1 analogies. Hence stuff like my comparing Phil Ivey to Mike Ross.
WesternHeretic said:
You don't agree? You're trippin, son.
On a completely different topic: What do you think the odds are that for Street Fighter V, Capcom finally stops localizing the names for Dictator/Boxer/Claw/Akuma and just uses the japanese names? Is the reasoning for doing so even valid anymore? Are they still worried about Mike Tyson presenting a case against them? Once they openly admitted he was based on Mike Tyson didn't they already make themselves liable?
ProtoCents
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Who was the woman on stream?
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PartTimeWarrior
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She cosplayed Asuka for a TTT2 event
"God's Beard!"
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He does playthroughs of everything. Nobody else does as much as him, so people subscribe to watch a few minutes of gameplay before buying games. Whether he's annoying or sucks at a game really isn't relevant to the content he produces.