Final Fantasy 7 Remake Announced (First on PS4)

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I wonder if different weapons would affect gameplay at all...

Like, assuming they did go the route of ARPG (what Versus XIII would've been + please) would the different swords you give Cloud affect how he attacks at all? I wouldn't imagine so given that he weilds the Buster Sword like it's a small stick. But I would hope his movements feel like they have weight to them rather than it seeming like he's merely swinging at air.

Oh holy shit I can't wait to see Omnislash and the Ultima Blade... fuck.

Inuhanyou said:
It is unfortunate. The noise has been infuriating but i keep hoping that they have Nomura's team locked up in a white room somewhere, even though its obviously impossible.

We haven't even heard anything substantive yet, i can't wait until winter when they actually give out real info, its gonna be much worrse
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Here's hoping. Nomura sounds like he doesn't intend to shy away from his ideas. I don't care if it turns out to be an ARPG or an evolution of ATB. Just don't let it be designed by committee.

ArkhamFantasy said:
If they were worried they might make a seperate version with a classic battle system but they arent going to tie nomuras hands together. He is going to make the game that he wants to make.
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Cheers to that!
 
-Ryn said:
I wonder if different weapons would affect gameplay at all...

Like, assuming they did go the route of ARPG (what Versus XIII would've been + please) would the different swords you give Cloud affect how he attacks at all? I wouldn't imagine so given that he weilds the Buster Sword like it's a small stick. But I would hope his movements feel like they have weight to them rather than it seeming like he's merely swinging at air.

Oh holy shit I can't wait to see Omnislash and the Ultima Blade... fuck.


Here's hoping. Nomura sounds like he doesn't intend to shy away from his ideas. I don't care if it turns out to be an ARPG or an evolution of ATB. Just don't let it be designed by committee.


Cheers to that!
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Yeah, I see people saying that there's more of a chance for them to fuck it up if they take creative liberties, but I don't see the big deal. It's not the end of the world if FFVIIR turns out to be bad. I'd much rather them take the risk of providing a more unique vision that's true to what they want, since that has a much higher chance of giving an interesting final product.
 
Kenzodielocke said:
The trailer literally said something like this can happen.
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What it should have said is "It will bring joy; but you can be damn sure that it will be followed by metric fuck tons of fear. Like... so much fear salt. There aren't enough buckets in the world for what this will bring... but if we could just like, all embrace it... that'd be great.

LouisaFerre said:
Yeah, I see people saying that there's more of a chance for them to fuck it up if they take creative liberties, but I don't see the big deal. It's not the end of the world if FFVIIR turns out to be bad. I'd much rather them take the risk of providing a more unique vision that's true to what they want, since that has a much higher chance of giving an interesting final product.
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This is an incredible opportunity to blow our faces out the back of our skulls with a game/remake thing so stupid awesome it feels like we're experiencing it like we did way back when all over again. I would much rather they not play it safe and take risks than waste the chance on a basic future tech make over with a few tweaks to the formula (which wouldn't be bad mind; just very disappointing IMHO).
 
I still think arpg like combat system goes too far. I'm disappointed, sad and cannot understand it. Sorry. This is the saddest day in my life. Not even kidding. That's sad as well, but it is what it is.
 
sponk said:
I still think arpg like combat system goes too far. I'm disappointed, sad and cannot understand it. Sorry. This is the saddest day in my life. Not even kidding. That's sad as well, but it is what it is.
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Sponk we ain't even seen it yet. Like the above posts state, what happens if they actually make something mind blowing, like that trailer? That shit was so goooood. If there was a chance for FF to make a glorious comeback, why not be 7. If we actually play it and they completely F it up, I would be right there next to you, along with millions of other people.
 
sponk said:
I still think arpg like combat system goes too far. I'm disappointed, sad and cannot understand it. Sorry. This is the saddest day in my life. Not even kidding. That's sad as well, but it is what it is.
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Being disappointed in something you haven't seen or held yet is fucking childish.

I don't understand this mentality. Nomura and Co. Deserve the respect and consideration to prove that they can deliver on a great experience that matches FF7 proper. Considering Nomura is one of the few left from the original team, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

I really don't like the fanboy purist sentiment poppping up all over the place. The trailer itself tells fans to embrace change.

Let him work.

If I was Nomura, I'd cut ties with everyone not tied to Remake until it was finished.
 
Godcannon said:
Sponk we ain't even seen it yet. Like the above posts state, what happens if they actually make something mind blowing, like that trailer? That shit was so goooood. If there was a chance for FF to make a glorious comeback, why not be 7. If we actually play it and they completely F it up, I would be right there next to you, along with millions of other people.
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I just don't trust square anymore, guess that is one of the problems .... I just want this to be good, I waited and hoped for it so fucking long. I still can't fathom that its really here and now this, its just making me so sad. It feels like someone in my family died. This sure is the definion of overreaction and am aware of that. But i love ff7.

The re1 remake for me is the definition of a remake. Expand on what made the game good, keep the core. If they want to make a steam punk arpg, why mistreat the ff7 brand to do that. But I am with you, maybe this turns out as something tolerable, or even something good. Hopefully.
 
sponk said:
I still think arpg like combat system goes too far. I'm disappointed, sad and cannot understand it. Sorry. This is the saddest day in my life. Not even kidding. That's sad as well, but it is what it is.
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Well I hope you'll be okay if/when they move beyond vague statements and actually confirm that will happen.
 
sponk said:
I just don't trust square anymore, guess that is one of the problems .... I just want this to be good, I waited and hoped for it so fucking long. I still can't fathom that its really here and now this, its just making me so sad. It feels like someone in my family died. This sure is the definion of overreaction and am aware of that. But i love ff7.

The re1 remake for me is the definition of a remake. Expand on what made the game good, keep the core. If they want to make a steam punk arpg, why mistreat the ff7 brand to do that. But I am with you, maybe this turns out as something tolerable, or even something good. Hopefully.
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Ugh. if your so emotionally invested, maybe you should just go on blackout until we know more. That goes for a lot of posters i've witnessed. It seems like people are getting too wound up about speculations that arent even confirmed to be anything yet.

"We're going to be changing and overhauling things, and we're also using AC as one of our notes of inspiration"

"FF15 COMBAT!? FUCK NOMURA RAAGGHAOIGJHUI"
 
I'd prefer an updated and refined ATB, but I'm okay with them trying something different. The original still exists after all. That said, I hope they don't tinker much with Materia's core mechanics, opting to expand the ways you can combine them into cool builds rather than reinventing it. Materia in Crisis Core was really lame.
 
QuiteWhittle said:
Well I hope you'll be okay if/when they move beyond vague statements and actually confirm that will happen.
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Really appreciate you people trying too cheer me up. Honestly, holding back some tears right now - over a videogame, I got to admit. But this game is damn important to me and I know to all of you as well. If they f it up ... man I don't know what I will do. Its " whishful thinking" to expect something else then an arpg combat system though.... sorry.

At least I was complete for some weeks. Thanks again for that :)
 
sponk said:
Really appreciate you people trying too cheer me up. Honestly, holding back some tears right now - over a videogame, I got to admit. But this game is damn important to me and I know to all of you as well. If they f it up ... man I don't know what I will do. Its " whishful thinking" to expect something else then an arpg combat system though.... sorry.

At least I was complete for some weeks. Thanks again for that :)
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Np! I'm pretty sure GAF will promote me to FFVIIR therapist lol. I love talking about it, and pondering where it's gonna go, and whIle I have worries, I'm defi itEly optimistic, because it's frikkin FFVII. Put it this way, I don't think it will be ARPG, and if it is, they will have party switching, or some kind of gambit system that still delegates party member actions. But Nomura already stated that it's not gonna be a shooter, so what? Are they gonna take away being able to play all of your favorite characters, and turn it into Dynasty Warriors with just Cloud? No effing way. Cloud's not even my favorite, RedXIII is, and not being able to have control over him would be a disaster. As easy as it would be to say Nomura is capable of such, I don't think it will happen. I really dunno what's gonna happen, but they aren't going to flat out slap 11 million or more in the face. If it helps at all, non of the people working on it did XIII or XV, and that sure as hell comforts me.
 
Godcannon said:
Np! I'm pretty sure GAF will promote me to FFVIIR therapist lol. I love talking about it, and pondering where it's gonna go, and whIle I have worries, I'm defi itEly optimistic, because it's frikkin FFVII. Put it this way, I don't think it will be ARPG, and if it is, they will have party switching, or some kind of gambit system that still delegates party member actions. But Nomura already stated that it's not gonna be a shooter, so what? Are they gonna take away being able to play all of your favorite characters, and turn it into Dynasty Warriors with just Cloud? No effing way. Cloud's not even my favorite, RedXIII is, and not being able to have control over him would be a disaster. As easy as it would be to say Nomura is capable of such, I don't think it will happen. I really dunno what's gonna happen, but they aren't going to flat out slap 11 million or more in the face. If it helps at all, non of the people working on it did XIII or XV, and that sure as hell comforts me.
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Umm...
 
QuiteWhittle said:
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I liked VS XIII when it was VS XIII. XV ain't bad, but as far as I know it never even existed until recently. The models changed, the characters changed, the story changed. Again, XV isn't TOO bad, but it's not what it originally was, and quite frankly I'm not really that excited about it. Maybe that'll change when I see more than the demo.
 
For crying out loud, let the people behind a remake be creative. If you've lost trust in Square, then why are you clamoring a remake? The old game is there and it's great, play it. Don't straightjacket the people into doing something that's key to a remake: making changes.

What is it about gamers that makes them so adamant towards shot-by-shot (to steal a cinema term) remakes?
 
Godcannon said:
I liked VS XIII when it was VS XIII. XV ain't bad, but as far as I know it never even existed until recently. The models changed, the characters changed, the story changed. Again, XV isn't TOO bad, but it's not what it originally was, and quite frankly I'm not really that excited about it. Maybe that'll change when I see more than the demo.
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It changed, but we don't know what it changed from because what it was was really never made known. Again, people jump the gun regarding what THINK they know about the story. We know just a sliver of the scenario. Sure SOMETHINGS have changed, but the full result of the changes will never be known(even after the Ultimania's released, we might not know).

threelights said:
He's not really wrong. XV has nothing to do with Nomura anymore. Not even Nojima's stuff is there.

Also, Nomura is quite aware of the need to have multiple playable characters, specially going by his comments on Vs.
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BULLSHIT! Hyperbole is strong with this one!
 
Dawg. The script got leaked, and the OG trailer explained the plot. It was a Romeo and Juliet story of two lovers that were forced to try and kill eachother. Now it's like a boy band on tour or something? Lol I kid....but seriously 0.o
 
MagnaderAlpha said:
It changed, but we don't know what it changed from because what it was was really never made known. Again, people jump the gun regarding what THINK they know about the story. We know just a sliver of the scenario. Sure SOMETHINGS have changed, but the full result of the changes will never be known(even after the Ultimania's released, we might not know).

BULLSHIT! Hyperbole is strong with this one!
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Today we learn just how much hyperbole there is on GAF.

People spouting nonsense.
 
the salt over changing ff7's combat is unreal. if it were 10 or 6 or 1 or really any ff other than 7 I could see it, but 7's combat is not integral to its identity. it was just a less unique ff6, at the end of the day. and ff7 would be so obviously improved by a high-paced action style of gameplay. SE has members on staff who can do it well. type0 and ffxv both play GREAT. ffxv is reaaaaaal close to character action. it just needs more air combat. I would love for ffvii to play like dmc. that would be a straight up better game.
 
Personally, I hold Final Fantasy IV DS as the standard for a Final Fantasy remake. It was still quite clearly Final Fantasy IV, but the battle system, the skills, and the use of magic had gotten an impressive balance pass that made every boss fight a good fight. I mean, it was a curve so finely tuned that Slow ended up as one of the most useful spells in the game. Slow! Who ever uses Slow in a mainline Final Fantasy game other than FFIV DS?

But I know FF7R might go further than that, but I do hope that there will be no AI party members, and I have full control of everyone in a turn based game. Because I like this cast of characters and I don't want the game to create situation where I have cause to be angry with them because of some stupid AI thing they did. Like a Tifa that can't keep herself alive, Barret going into melee range despite using a gun, Aerith wasting her healing limit break on a barely hurt party... And Cait Sith rolling an instant Game Over on the slots. I'd really hate to see this happen.

And that's why I want full party control. No AI, no gambits, no Auto-Battle. No one moves unless I say so. If things go bad, it's my fault. Not because the AI messed up something simple. Like shooting Guard Scorpion when the tail is up or hitting Lost Number physically instead of with magic. Summoning Choco/Mog to inflict Stop on a boss was also a tactic that stayed useful far longer than you'd expect. In ATB, you can do things like that. In an ARPG... it's much harder. And I'd miss little things like that.

Oh, and if we do end up with just one playable character, the rest of the team had better be able to use a Phoenix Down if he falls. That was so embarrassing in XIII.
 
Ants said:
the salt over changing ff7's combat is unreal. if it were 10 or 6 or 1 or really any ff other than 7 I could see it, but 7's combat is not integral to its identity. it was just a less unique ff6, at the end of the day. and ff7 would be so obviously improved by a high-paced action style of gameplay. SE has members on staff who can do it well. type0 and ffxv both play GREAT. ffxv is reaaaaaal close to character action. it just needs more air combat. I would love for ffvii to play like dmc. that would be a straight up better game.
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The only thing unreal is how you can be wrong on every single thing o_o
if square uses this post on what not to do than maybe the remake could be a success...
Seriously every single thing you wrote is wrong or a bad idea lol FF7 dmc? FF15 duscae good gameplay? FF7 combat less unique than 6 even though it has like infinite more possibility's and variation? You could not be more wrong if you tried it.
 
I'm still surprised that people thought that a beat for beat remake of FF7 was going to be the path taken. The turn based battling mechanic has had its day in the current world of AAA titles. Perhaps late in the PS2 cycle or early PS3 cycle you could have done the graphical uplift remake, living up to the promise of the Tech Demo. Not now though. You can get away with it on portables, you can get away with it on digital budget titles. There is no way FF7 would stand a chance, such a high profile release, if it was restricted by its archaic structure.

It is ok that it will change, it doesn't invalidate the original game. Your memories will remain intact.
 
threelights said:
Also, Nomura is quite aware of the need to have multiple playable characters, specially going by his comments on Vs.
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I just hope it can be pulled off competently. While I don't think the game's combat was very good, Type-0 showed that it is possible to have a considerbly sized ARPG party and have a relatively decent amount of distinction between everyone. In VII, you have a sword user, two firearm users, a hand to hand fighter, a staff user, a spear user, a ninja with oversized throwing stars, a feral physical fighter... and Cait Sith. It could be really interesting seeing those combat archetypes being implemented into an ARPG setting if done well.
 
MagnaderAlpha said:
BULLSHIT! Hyperbole is strong with this one!
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Oh yeah, I forgot the Tabata defense force became unreasonable...

Either way, I won't be derailing this thread with things Tabata admitted to have changed himself. You believe whatever you want to believe I guess.


But in the discussion of gameplay, if they want the remake to indeed sell as much as the original game, they can't make the game look boring, so whether it's a new ATB or Action, it's going to look really fast paced, specially with Nomura's specialty being fighting scenes.

I really wonder what they're doing with other stuff though, like the world map. Showing something like the classic one in trailers would make the old hardcore fans love the game, but new people would probably be put off by things like that...
 
What it comes down to for some people is that what they really wanted was the most expensive remaster of all time. They were naive as to what a massive high profile remake would actually mean, they aren't going to spend all that money just to update some graphics and call it a day. Obviously if you didn't want a huge AAA remake and wanted something like FF4 DS then I'm not talking to you.
 
Arai said:
We need a campaign for Japanese voice over as an option, not looking forward to English only (if that's what they'll end up doing).
Have they let go anything in that regards or are details still scarce?
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I never did understood this. Most of the market doesn't even speak Japanese.
 
sponk said:
I still think arpg like combat system goes too far. I'm disappointed, sad and cannot understand it. Sorry. This is the saddest day in my life. Not even kidding. That's sad as well, but it is what it is.
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WOW. That is one loaded statement.

EDIT: Hahaha, I think the "honor and shame" post finally has a contender. And it's also from a Final Fantasy thread.
 
Jeez the hyperbole going on. Although yeah, always been expected since the announcement tho.

I for one am more excited to have an actual damn remake/reimagining, for better or worse. I don't want just the same thing reserved to me, what would even be the point. At least I'd be able to rediscover one of my favourite games in a totally fresh sense. It might suck, it might be great, but creatively I'm more on board with what they're trying to do rather than just redoing the exact same thing with just new models and a lick of paint
 
I know FF7 is near the top of the pile when it comes to beloved games, but people should really get a grip.

The reveal trailer is the only meaningful exposure we've had to the game and that showed a deft understanding of both the source material and the context that this project exists in.

Deal with the fact that this is a remake, not a remaster, and show some faith in the developer. Surely they're more likely to make a good game with the fanbase supporting them, rather than one which petulantly scorns them for every comment which dares to suggest any sort of deviation from the original.
 
flattie said:
I know FF7 is near the top of the pile when it comes to beloved games, but people should really get a grip.

The reveal trailer is the only meaningful exposure we've had to the game and that showed a deft understanding of both the source material and the context that this project exists in.

Deal with the fact that this is a remake, not a remaster, and show some faith in the developer. Surely they're more likely to make a good game with the fanbase supporting them, rather than one which petulantly scorns them for every comment which dares to suggest any sort of deviation from the original.
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Yep. People say 'i don't have any trust in SE cause of their past output in recent years'.

But i think its time to lay down the pitchforks and give them another chance and the benefit of a doubt. They are obviously trying as hard as they can to make amends with the games they have announced and are getting up and running.

This FF7 remake is supposed to be a brand new thing born out of respect for the old FF7 and the many wishes for a return to the FF7 world.

The characters you love, and the world you loved, and the scenario everyone fell for back then are coming back in a brand new era in a brand new way. And that alone makes me excited.
 
Inuhanyou said:
I hope that's what happens and they dont go down the FF15 route of basically polling fans for what elements should be in the game(which still wont make those people happy).
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I thought they were announcing changes they were going to do regardless of reception and then saying "see? We do listen to you!"
 
I'll repost my old post once more :

Nightengale said:
I'll go so far to say that this trailer essentially proves to me that Nomura knows it, can handle it, and I'll trust his "remake" creative decisions way more than anyone else here who's concerned about the remake and the changes.

Because I'll say this. I don't believe anyone here, even if they had Nomura's game directing and cinematography talent, would've made that trailer the way it was. It truly was a trailer that imo, respects FFVII to its utmost. It trust the fans, it trust the source material, there's a confidence in that trailer that speaks to the heart of skeptics, as if the trailer is there to tell you "trust us, this is our vision of the remake."

Someone as shallow as me would've been tempted to easily reuse any iconic imagery, soundtrack, you know, typical 101 trailer making skills, but FFVII trailer was none of that. It was to the extent that the game didn't even have FFVII in it, it' was just the meteor logo.
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Nightengale said:
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Nailed it dude. Seeing all the posts with people worried they're gonna turn Cloud into his AC self and that the game will mess up anything to do with the originals charm or atmosphere just goes to show how out of touch some people are with Nomura and FF7.

He's gone on record stating that he thinks it's important to keep the more colorful elements intact (I believe he even specifically mentioned the honey bee inn). Everyone just needs to relax.

shamo42 said:
..the battle system you loved..
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LOL
My condolences
 
Boombloxer said:
ARPG all the way.

My hopes for this are basically RE4-like, hopefully with co-op.
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Never even thought of co op. How would you even do that in a FF game?

With FF7 I guess you could make it a 3 player thing ala Dark Souls original set up (minus the whole summon system thing). Introduce some awesome co.bo systems and whatnot. Could be cool.

What I'd love to see if they make it an ARPG would be some fun platforming while roaming about the world. Make it even more fun to explore.
 
I will happily try FF7R's battle system and assess it on its own merits, be it action, turn based, or some hybrid. SE has made a ton of interesting battle systems, and I'm interested to see how they update this one. My preference might be X-2ish ATB with more flair, but I didn't know how much I'd like that system (a fairly big departure from X) until I spent some time with it. Maybe 7R will do something drastically new and also fantastic!
 
Final Fantasy 8 >>>> Final Fantasy 7 imo

I'm hoping if 7 Remake is a success (with all these long time fans saying they're not gonna get it now, who knows lol) that Square can take their experience and do an 8 Remake. Always bothered me how much attention 7 got, meanwhile 8 is one of the best selling games in the series that deserves to be revisited and it just gets ignored. Aesthetically they are not that far apart especially taking Advent Children's character models into consideration, so I could see it happening.
 
^ There's only a few kneejerks saying they aren't buying, many of which who will probably crawl back after we get more info anyway. This thread is very small compared to the reveal thread. I don't think that those dissenting voices even make a difference for the sales of the game.

shamo42 said:
..the battle system you loved..
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You do realize even if its turn based its not going to be the exact same turn based system as the original right?

We should not be acting like this entire thing is an affront if there are changes.
 
enigmatic_alex44 said:
Final Fantasy 8 >>>> Final Fantasy 7 imo

I'm hoping if 7 Remake is a success (with all these long time fans saying they're not gonna get it now, who knows lol) that Square can take their experience and do an 8 Remake. Always bothered me how much attention 7 got, meanwhile 8 is one of the best selling games in the series that deserves to be revisited and it just gets ignored. Aesthetically they are not that far apart especially taking Advent Children's character models into consideration, so I could see it happening.
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I would love this. And I agree with you on everything 100%.
 
enigmatic_alex44 said:
Final Fantasy 8 >>>> Final Fantasy 7 imo

I'm hoping if 7 Remake is a success (with all these long time fans saying they're not gonna get it now, who knows lol) that Square can take their experience and do an 8 Remake. Always bothered me how much attention 7 got, meanwhile 8 is one of the best selling games in the series that deserves to be revisited and it just gets ignored. Aesthetically they are not that far apart especially taking Advent Children's character models into consideration, so I could see it happening.
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If it means anything the FF Explorers English trailer had Cloud, Squall and Lightning. Nomura said he wants to go back to old FF games after this, so he's going to do VI then VIII. That's how I feel about it.


That said the news about the combat, as long as I can control the characters directly (not like KH where you can change the AI behavior) I don't care what the combat system is like.
 
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