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[SOLDIER]

I'm not exactly a fan of that site's presentation, but the source is still verified regardless of the writer's biases.

Also who even cares about sources. We've had like a decade of post-FFVII content where nearly every single spinoff, short story, or KH appearance paints the two as romantically involved, or at least romantically interested.

Even in Aerith's own novel, it ends with her saying that "Even though I'm a little jealous, please watch over him for me".

I'll grant the argument over just how far they've actually progressed as a couple, but suggesting that there is no romantic intention from either party or that it will never reach that conclusion is the very top of delusional, and that's including anyone who still thinks there's a secret method to bringing Aerith back in the original game.

 

[Rising_Hei]

Cloud literally joined SOLDIER because of his incompetency of saving Tifa. HE DID IT BECAUSE OF A GIRL. How does he not want Tifa again? I don't see how Aeris and Cloud are compatible tbh.

Hello, Cloud never joined SOLDIER.

 

[SOLDIER]

Hello, Cloud never joined SOLDIER.

He tried.

She was literally his whole motivation to better himself as a protector. It's the reason he hides his identity when he gets back to Nibelheim, as he was ashamed that he couldn't become a SOLDIER.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Hello, Cloud never joined SOLDIER.

It's not for lack of trying though.

 

[Wazzy]

He tried.

She was literally his whole motivation to better himself as a protector. It's the reason he hides his identity when he gets back to Nibelheim, as he was ashamed that he couldn't become a SOLDIER.

His motivation was he had a crush on a girl who showed absolutely no interest in him until he showed he would be trying do something that would make him famous. That's the cold hard truth about Tifa and Clouds promise. They weren't childhood friends and their promise sure as hell wasn't romantic.

Either way, yes Cloud had feelings for Tifa and that's undeniable. But this is when they were younger and Cloud changes throughout the games story. One of those changes is that he falls in love with Aeris.

Not only is your other post completely off base(really? They've only implied romance between Cloud and Tifa? I've got plenty to prove otherwise) but you actively posted two things that were false and then dismissed sources when called out.

 

[SOLDIER]

His motivation was he had a crush on a girl who showed absolutely no interest in him until he showed he would be trying do something that would make him famous. That's the cold hard truth about Tifa and Clouds promise. They weren't childhood friends and their promise sure as hell wasn't romantic.

Either way, yes Cloud had feelings for Tifa and that's undeniable. But this is when they were younger and Cloud changes throughout the games story. One of those changes is that he falls in love with Aeris.

Not only is your other post completely off base(really? They've only implied romance between Cloud and Tifa? I've got plenty to prove otherwise) but you actively posted two things that we're false and then dismissed sources when called out.

This is literally covered in the original game. Tifa admits how distant they actually were when they were younger, and she also admits her folly in using the "childhood friend" excuse as a crutch.

This is why they're both so distant and so close. Cloud doesn't immediately go "I got my memories back, and I've always loved Tifa and Tifa alone!". This is why they have a strained relationship, one that requires to be built back up from scratch. The whole theme of FFVII and AC is to not be tied down by memories of the past; this works in several metaphors, including the very one in the original ending where Aerith's hand changes to Tifa's. It's much deeper than just "choosing one girl over the other".

 

[Alex_Mexico]

I don't know, the whole, "I've loved you since we were children, and now we love each other" thing is really damn anime to me. That's just as anime as the "You are the first person I've ever dated... so we are destined to be soul mates!" type of "love conquers all" BS. Japanese anime, manga, movies(and drama) as well as video games are in no short supply of that kind of sappy storytelling.

I never said FFVII's story was perfect. Just that VII's portrayal of love between two of their main protagonists is more mature in some ways than 99% of jrpgs ever can hope to achieve. Call me when you see a scene of implied sex between lead characters in a Tales of or Star Ocean game.

 

[enigmatic_alex44]

This is literally covered in the original game. Tifa admits how distant they actually were when they were younger, and she also admits her folly in using the "childhood friend" excuse as a crutch.

This is why they're both so distant and so close. Cloud doesn't immediately go "I got my memories back, and I've always loved Tifa and Tifa alone!". This is why they have a strained relationship, one that requires to be built back up from scratch. The whole theme of FFVII and AC is to not be tied down by memories of the past; this works in several metaphors, including the very one in the original ending where Aerith's hand changes to Tifa's. It's much deeper than just "choosing one girl over the other".

I never said FFVII's story was perfect. Just that VII's portrayal of love between two of their main protagonists is more mature in some ways than 99% of jrpgs ever can hope to achieve. Call me when you see a scene of implied sex between lead characters in a Tales of or Star Ocean game.

lol maybe y'all need to play through the game or watch Advent Children again. 2 years later, Tifa and Cloud are STILL not together in AC, there is no romantic subtext throughout the film at all. They weren't a couple in FFVII and they didn't end up/stay together in AC (even if you believe the Highwind scene ended in relations).

Actually, Aeris is the LAST thing Cloud sees in the AC. The film literally ends on him smiling at her, with a hope that he can now begin to really live his life. Oh wait! Aeris was also the last one to boost him in the Bahamut battle. She either appeared, or he envisioned her as the "boost" he needed to defeat Bahamut Sin. Seems like a situation where Cloud needed the strength for that final push where you would think of a loved one as motivation and who appeared? Aeris.

Aeris was Cloud's true love, not basically-his-sister Tifa.

 

[SOLDIER]

lol maybe y'all need to play through the game or watch Advent Children again. 2 years later, Tifa and Cloud are STILL not together in AC, there is no romantic subtext throughout the film at all. They weren't a couple in FFVII and they didn't end up/stay together in AC (even if you believe the Highwind scene ended in relations).

Actually, Aeris is the LAST thing Cloud sees in the AC. The film literally ends on him smiling at her, with a hope that he can now begin to really live his life. Oh wait! Aeris was also the last one to boost him in the Bahamut battle. She either appeared, or he envisioned her as the "boost" he needed to defeat Bahamut Sin. Seems like a situation where Cloud needed the strength for that final push where you would think of a loved one as motivation and who appeared? Aeris.

Aeris was Cloud's true love, not basically-his-sister Tifa.

Aerith was the last thing he saw, all right.

What was she doing? Walking away and telling him that "everything will be alright". It's supposed to be a farewell, so Cloud can finally move forward in his future.

"Which is it? A memory, or us?"

 

[enigmatic_alex44]

Aerith was the last thing he saw, all right.

What was she doing? Walking away and telling him that "everything will be alright". It's supposed to be a farewell, so Cloud can finally move forward in his future.

"Which is it? A memory, or us?"

Well she's DEAD. Yes, Cloud can now finally move on (both from losing Aeris and not having to fight anymore), but that doesn't mean he'll forget the love of his life Aeris or that they won't be reunited in the Lifestream when Cloud dies one day. He just won't be moving on with Tifa.

You Tifa fans are too much, dilly dally shilly shally

 

[ZenTzen]

i'm partial toward Aerith and cloud pairing more than tifa, mainly because of stuff on FF7, the compilation, and even cameos and easter eggs on other games, like the stuff in KH with the after credits scene in I, or the promise to meet each other in II, FFT when cloud meets a Aerith look alike, and even FF9, you know, about a flower girl in alexandria dating the soldier, pluto knight VII, and how she describes him as handsome, but not exactly mr.personality

 

[Wazzy]

This is literally covered in the original game. Tifa admits how distant they actually were when they were younger, and she also admits her folly in using the "childhood friend" excuse as a crutch.

This is why they're both so distant and so close. Cloud doesn't immediately go "I got my memories back, and I've always loved Tifa and Tifa alone!". This is why they have a strained relationship, one that requires to be built back up from scratch. The whole theme of FFVII and AC is to not be tied down by memories of the past; this works in several metaphors, including the very one in the original ending where Aerith's hand changes to Tifa's. It's much deeper than just "choosing one girl over the other".

Okay but my point was treating their promise as romantic which is exactly what you were doing. Clouds motivation isn't romantic nor is it a good thing since Tifa's reasoning for making the promise is petty.

They have a strained relationship because they're not in one. Tifa want's more and Cloud isn't reciprocating the way she wanted him too. Many of the thoughts and comments that refer to the two are anything but a relationship

For example:
[During a conversation with Tifa] ... Cloud made a familiar face, like a child who knew a scolding was inevitable...

Cloud gazed at Tifa with the expression of a child whose worst secret had just been let out of the bag...

...He's like a child, Tifa thought. While it made her sad that Cloud could see another world she knew nothing about, the idea his world was expanding at all was a welcome one. Yes... Maybe this is kind of what a mother feels like. Once she saw Cloud off, Tifa was alone with the new emotions growing inside her and was happy.
~Case of Tifa

That's not something a lover would think. Also, something that supports what I've been telling people from the start:


“For example, I was frequently asked if there had been romantic relationship between Tifa and Cloud for two years, after Final Fantasy VII ended, but I don’t have any clue.” -Dorimaga magazine; Tetsuya Nomura; 2005

”I’d say, [who Cloud likes] is all how you perceive the game. Cloud, as you know, is a very popular character, so I don’t want to confirm the answer either way. Since the players have affection towards him, I want to leave it up to the players to decide who Cloud likes.” -2002 interview with Tetsuya Nomura

and here's so more evidence that they're not going to confirm then as the canon couple:

“Episode Tifa” [Case of Tifa] - first off, there’s the premise that things won’t go well between Tifa and Cloud, and that even without Geostigma or Sephiroth this might be the same. ~Nojima On the Way to a Smile interview

and add in little things like Aeris being referred to as Clouds lover, Tifa at many times only referring to Cloud and the others as family, Tifa's jealousy towards Aeris even after VII's events and the creators(I forgot who made this comment so I'll have to look) saying if Aeris had survived it probably would have been a healthier relationship(paraphrasing here until I find the actual quote) and it just shows they don't want anyone clear cut deciding who the romance is.

I won't even touch your personal interpretation of the ending and not the actual meaning.

 

[vas_a_morir]

i'm partial toward Aerith and cloud pairing more than tifa, mainly because of stuff on FF7, the compilation, and even cameos and easter eggs on other games, like the stuff in KH with the after credits scene in I, or the promise to meet each other in II, FFT when cloud meets a Aerith look alike, and even FF9, you know, about a flower girl in alexandria dating the soldier, pluto knight VII, and how she describes him as handsome, but not exactly mr.personality

Aeris arguably never loved Cloud, though. If she had any real feelings for anyone, it was Zach manifested through Cloud's bizarre identity theft. Aeris is more fun and flirty, but Tifa is way more 'real.' Gotta go with Tifa, bruh. Or, fuck it, even Yuffie is better. Nothing healthy would ever have come out of Aeris x Cloud.

 

[Laughing Banana]

I never said FFVII's story was perfect. Just that VII's portrayal of love between two of their main protagonists is more mature in some ways than 99% of jrpgs ever can hope to achieve. Call me when you see a scene of implied sex between lead characters in a Tales of or Star Ocean game.

You need to play more JRPGs.

To say that FFVII's depiction of love is "more mature in some ways than 99% of JRPGs" is just laughable.

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

Yo, let's ask the important question. Are they going to keep Tifa's breast size reduction from Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus?

 

[cj_iwakura]

Aerith was the last thing he saw, all right.

What was she doing? Walking away and telling him that "everything will be alright". It's supposed to be a farewell, so Cloud can finally move forward in his future.

"Which is it? A memory, or us?"

If anything in AC(or FFVII in general really) cements Tifa's feelings, that line would be it.

 

[The Silver]

Thread is confirming to me even more that FF7 was truly the Naruto love story of the 90s.

Spoiler

Yes I know Naruto came out in 99, close enough

.

 

[pottuvoi]

I hope they don't remove the Cloud & Yuffie kiss.

Or date with Barret.

 

[Wazzy]

Aeris arguably never loved Cloud, though. If she had any real feelings for anyone, it was Zach manifested through Cloud's bizarre identity theft. Aeris is more fun and flirty, but Tifa is way more 'real.' Gotta go with Tifa, bruh. Or, fuck it, even Yuffie is better. Nothing healthy would ever have come out of Aeris x Cloud.

It's confirmed Aeris loved Cloud more than Zack. There is nothing that implies she only likes Cloud because of Zack. The date scene literally has her saying it's not because he reminds her a little of Zack.

 

[illmatic22]

Thread is confirming to me even more that FF7 was truly the Naruto love story of 90s.

Spoiler

Yes I know Naruto came out in 99, close enough

.

I like to think that FF7 shippers are nowhere near as loco.

 

[Turin]

I'm curious what they'll come up with visually for Cloud's shaky psyche. I think some fun could be had with that.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Tifa didn't start taking a real liking to Cloud until later. It happens throughout the course of the game.

When he was a kid they kinda knew each other, but not really. They were also 14 and really impressionable and very childish in their notion of romance. It's not unreasonable to think that Tifa found Cloud's promise to be endearing, despite that being their first real conversation together, especially when she confirms that he kept his promise to keep her from danger when they recover his real memories in the lifestream. She remembered it all of those years later, enough to bring it up to him in the Sector 7 bar.

Even though Tifa's initial reaction towards Cloud is that of concern, the lingering memory of a promise made to her fourteen year old self seemed to propel her towards him eventually.

Aerith was attracted to Cloud initially through his resemblance to Zack, but likewise came to like him well enough for other reasons. Their relationship was obviously cut short right as it was starting to flourish, however (otherwise her sacrifice wouldn't be nearly as heart wrenching) which leaves Cloud for Tifa. They live together for a while, and start a delivery service while adopting a son, which seems pretty clear cut to me that they're intended to be together in some way or another, although Cloud is off moping by the start of AC and isn't really around anybody, important to him or not.

This is my own interpretation and less clear cut than the rest of what we know, but the final scene in Advent Children, when Zack and Aerith are together, looking over Cloud, it basically puts the nail in the coffin that those two are together again in the Lifestream and bid Cloud farewell, in order to live his own life. It could also be taken that they are together because they were the two most important people in his life, moreso because of that reason than being together with each other, but I dunno. Every bit of supplemental material seems to put Cloud and Tifa together in some way, and Zack/Aerith has much more clout post Crisis Core, where they've played up their relationship to be stronger than it was hinted to be in FFVII.

It is undeniable that he and Aerith had something more than friendship blooming at one point, with the game even pushing the Aerith date over all others, but her premature death put an end to that.

 

[Wazzy]

Tifa didn't start taking a real liking to Cloud until later. It happens throughout the course of the game.

When he was a kid they kinda knew each other, but not really. They were also 14 and really impressionable and very childish in their notion of romance. It's not unreasonable to think that Tifa found Cloud's promise to be endearing, despite that being their first real conversation together, especially when she confirms that he kept his promise to keep her from danger when they recover his real memories in the lifestream. She remembered it all of those years later, enough to bring it up to him in the Sector 7 bar.

Even though Tifa's initial reaction towards Cloud is that of concern, the lingering memory of a promise made to her fourteen year old self seemed to propel her towards him eventually.

Aerith was attracted to Cloud initially through his resemblance to Zack, but likewise came to like him well enough for other reasons. Their relationship was obviously cut short right as it was starting to flourish, however (otherwise her sacrifice wouldn't be nearly as heart wrenching) which leaves Cloud for Tifa. They live together for a while, and start a delivery service while adopting a son, which seems pretty clear cut to me that they're intended to be together in some way or another, although Cloud is off moping by the start of AC and isn't really around anybody, important to him or not.

This is my own interpretation and less clear cut than the rest of what we know, but the final scene in Advent Children, when Zack and Aerith are together, looking over Cloud, it basically puts the nail in the coffin that those two are together again in the Lifestream and bid Cloud farewell, in order to live his own life. It could also be taken that they are together because they were the two most important people in his life, moreso because of that reason than being together with each other, but I dunno. Every bit of supplemental material seems to put Cloud and Tifa together in some way, and Zack/Aerith has much more clout post Crisis Core, where they've played up their relationship to be stronger than it was hinted to be in FFVII.

It is undeniable that he and Aerith had something more than friendship blooming at one point, with the game even pushing the Aerith date over all others, but her premature death put an end to that.

It's already been stated Aeris loved Cloud more and that she moved on from Zack. It's also been made clear that SE believes players decide who Clouds ends up with. Even with all of that, the creators have done nothing but push that Tifa and Cloud are struggling and it's unknown if they can get past it. Lastly, Denzel is not their son and that seriously ignores the fact there's two other people involved in his raising. They happen to be a father and his daughter.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

Oh god, are we bringing the pairing war here? Final Fantasy VII's romance is low key enough that it could easily be interpreted different ways, depending on your own experience and culture.

You may believe what you want to believe, but please don't act like your interpretation is one true immutable truth and treat people with different views as if they're out of their mind. It's kinda embarrassing.

 

[Wazzy]

Oh god, are we bringing the pairing war here? Final Fantasy VII's romance is low key enough that it could easily be interpreted different ways, depending on your own experience and culture.

You may believe what you want to believe, but please don't act like your interpretation is one true immutable truth and treat people with different views as if they're out of their mind. It's kinda embarrassing.

I'm not sure if you're targeting me with this but I've made sure to state nothing but the facts. I've also posted that the interpretation aspect is legit and even posted the quote supporting it.

I'm not posting any personal interpretation on my parts. Just things that have been stated.

Anyways there's no harm in discussing the pairings. They've been one of the biggest and most controversial part of VII for years.

 

[RocBase]

Oh god, are we bringing the pairing war here? Final Fantasy VII's romance is low key enough that it could easily be interpreted different ways, depending on your own experience and culture.

You may believe what you want to believe, but please don't act like your interpretation is one true immutable truth and treat people with different views as if they're out of their mind. It's kinda embarrassing.

I was so pumped about the remake happening I forgot about all the crazy that would naturally come with it.

EDIT:

I'm not sure if you're targeting me with this but I've made sure to state nothing but the facts. I've also posted that the interpretation aspect is legit and even posted the quote supporting it.

I'm not posting any personal interpretation on my parts. Just things that have been stated.

Anyways there's no harm in discussing the pairings. They've been one of the biggest and most controversial part of VII for years.

I think he's refering to SOLDIER. That"not believing in Cloti is as delusional as believing Aeris is reviable!!!!!!" tripe had me eye-rolling to the highest of heavens.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

I'm not sure if you're targeting me with this but I've made sure to state nothing but the facts. I've also posted that the interpretation aspect is legit and even posted the quote supporting it.

I'm not posting any personal interpretation on my parts. Just things that have been stated.

Anyways there's no harm in discussing the pairings. They've been one of the biggest and most controversial part of VII for years.

I'm not targeting you at all, actually. Sorry I should have just call enigmatic_alex44 out by name. I know we tend to be passionate about this stuff and I like discussing about silly things, too, but is it too much to ask to refrain from doing the whole "ha ha ha you so silly" stuff?

 

[SolVanderlyn]

It's already been stated Aeris loved Cloud more and that she moved on from Zack. It's also been made clear that SE believes players decide who Clouds ends up with. Even with all of that, the creators have done nothing but push that Tifa and Cloud are struggling and it's unknown if they can get past it. Lastly, Denzel is not their son and that seriously ignores the fact there's two other people involved in his raising. They happen to be a father and his daughter.

They are struggling, yes, and that's also part of the reason why I think they're together. Just look at the scene in Advent Children when Tifa goes off on Cloud and Reno and Rude are clearly feeling awkward about the intimacy of the argument and end up leaving the room. Denzel is not officially their son, true, but Tifa and Cloud did help raise him together, even if other people were also involved, and it's likely he stays with them post-AC (where else would he go?)

Of course players decide who Cloud ends up with, but the fact remains that the love triangle is a temporary one that's cut short by Aerith's death. I just find that Tifa/Cloud is pushed so hard in all of their appearances since (Dissidia and Kingdom Hearts come to mind, despite being non-canon) and Aerith/Zack is also likewise being pushed harder since we got to see their relationship actually develop.

Of course, the concrete answer to the question: Who does Cloud love romantically? Will likely not be answered, as FFVII is a game and the developers wrote that question into the story to be answered by the player. My personal opinion, though, is that Tifa/Cloud is the "canon" path, even if Aerith/Cloud is pushed harder during the entirety of Disc 1.

It also helps that Cloud is able to move on and Aerith is reunited with her old love in the lifestream, likewise letting her feelings for Cloud go due to him still being, well, alive, while she is not. That's just a much more romantic and happier story all around, at least IMO.

 

[Wazzy]

I'm not targeting you at all, actually. Sorry I should have just call enigmatic_alex44 out by name.

Eh. Alex is just mocking SOLDIER since he/she is the one making false statements and then dismissing everyone else as wrong.

I mean, someone who writes " I'll try and break this down to the barebone facts. This is all 100% verified stuff and not debatable, though I'm sure some will debate it regardless." and then proceeds to post false facts? How can anyone take that seriously?

I was so pumped about the remake happening I forgot about all the crazy that would naturally come with it.

EDIT:

I think he's refering to SOLDIER. That"not believing in Cloti is as delusional as believing Aeris is reviable!!!!!!" tripe had me eye-rolling to the highest of heavens.

Yeah those posts are pretty obnoxious. I have no problem debating with SOLDIER but I swear they just jump in to state their opinions as fact even when a lot of it is misinformed.

They are struggling, yes, and that's also part of the reason why I think they're together. Just look at the scene in Advent Children when Tifa goes off on Cloud and Reno and Rude are clearly feeling awkward about the intimacy of the argument and end up leaving the room. Denzel is not officially their son, true, but Tifa and Cloud did help raise him together, even if other people were also involved, and it's likely he stays with them post-AC (where else would he go?)

Of course players decide who Cloud ends up with, but the fact remains that the love triangle is a temporary one that's cut short by Aerith's death. I just find that Tifa/Cloud is pushed so hard in all of their appearances since (Dissidia and Kingdom Hearts come to mind, despite being non-canon) and Aerith/Zack is also likewise being pushed harder since we got to see their relationship actually develop.

Of course, the concrete answer to the question: Who does Cloud love romantically? Will likely not be answered, as FFVII is a game and the developers wrote that question into the story to be answered by the player. My personal opinion, though, is that Tifa/Cloud is the "canon" path, even if Aerith/Cloud is pushed harder during the entirety of Disc 1.

It also helps that Cloud is able to move on and Aerith is reunited with her old love in the lifestream, likewise letting her feelings for Cloud go due to him still being, well, alive, while she is not. That's just a much more romantic and happier story all around, at least IMO.

The problem is that what you're posting is not true. You cannot change something to support your argument, example being Denzel is like their son. They're all a family and breaking it down as just Tifa and Cloud is removing two important characters from this family.

It isn't temporary because VII still pushes the idea that you can reunite with your loves ones even after death. You don't get to use that argument to support Zack and then ignore the possibility of it for Cloud. Not only that but it's a fact that Aeris loves Cloud more and isn't romantically involved with Zack in the Lifestream no matter how much you wan't to believe it happened. Plus I don't buy these super happy endings, I think the bittersweet ending is far more interesting and suited to a game like VII.

Now, I'm not saying that it isn't possible Cloud ends up with Tifa. My point is that the Zack/Aeris thing is not true and isn't happening. It's not a "player interprets" situation like the LT is.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

Eh. Alex is just mocking SOLDIER since he/she is the one making false statements and then dismissing everyone else as wrong.

I mean, someone who writes " I'll try and break this down to the barebone facts. This is all 100% verified stuff and not debatable, though I'm sure some will debate it regardless." and then proceeds to post false facts? How can anyone take that seriously?

Aa yea I... haven't read the last page.

 

[SOLDIER]

Eh. Alex is just mocking SOLDIER since he/she is the one making false statements and then dismissing everyone else as wrong.

I mean, someone who writes " I'll try and break this down to the barebone facts. This is all 100% verified stuff and not debatable, though I'm sure some will debate it regardless." and then proceeds to post false facts? How can anyone take that seriously?

And which part is false, exactly?

 

[Wazzy]

Aa yea I... haven't read the last page.

It's okay, the discussion wasn't that good.

Also I forgot to respond to your post awhile back but anyway I wasn't referring to game content but actual novels and comments from the creators.

And which part is false, exactly?

The fact the Highwind scene isn't canon like many are saying it is. It's an option that is acknowledged and can be one of two canon choices but it is not the definitive choice unlike the Cloud and Aeris scene which is canon. You don't mention Cloud and Aeris in regards to being mentioned on the exact same page as the Highwind scene because you want to pretend they're not also being acknowledged as legitimate romantic option.

Saying they live as a couple is also false and I even posted quotes on the previous page(conveniently you ignore) proving exactly what you continuously attempt to deny which is that Square has always intended for VII to leave the romance ambiguous and up to the player.

All AC and other post content has shown is that there could be a relationship but it's not looking too positive and that as of now, they aren't a couple.

 

[orochi91]

And which part is false, exactly?

Nothing you've said is false.

Me and my siblings pretty much came to the same conclusion after playing FF7 and watching ACC. Tifa and Cloud are the canon pairing in FF7.

"Which is it? A memory, or us?", that line pretty much cements it, especially as Cloud is over his guilt by the end of ACC.

Aeris probably would have been the one for him, but she bit the dust too soon.

 

[Verger]

Did this discussion turn into shipping?


Oh vey...

 

[orochi91]

Did this discussion turn into shipping?


Oh vey...

It was inevitable.

This can't be avoided, in fact this Remake will probably sink some ships lol

 

[Two Words]

I'm watching Gametrailers play through this game. The more I watch, the more I have no idea how they are going to remake this game.

 

[Verger]

Can't we just agree that Cloud and Tifa fucked?


Or is Nomura too dense to admit that?

 

[Wazzy]

It was inevitable.

This can't be avoided, in fact this Remake will probably sink some ships lol

Unless Nomura changed his mind about preferring the ambiguity of Clouds romantic life, I highly doubt things will change.

Can't we just agree that Cloud and Tifa fucked?


Or is Nomura too dense to admit that?

It's implied they had sex in one option yes. It's not however canon to the story. We'll see if SE actually decides to come out and support it but as of now, it's not really a good argument.

 

[Verger]

Unless Nomura changed his mind about preferring the ambiguity of Clouds romantix life, I highly doubt things will change.

Ugh, because ambiguity works so well.... *cough* Naruto *cough*

Maybe it's a Japanese thing

 

[Wazzy]

Ugh, because ambiguity works so well.... *cough* Naruto *cough*

Maybe it's a Japanese thing

Eh, I think Tifa and Cloud are poorly done so I'm okay with the interpretation aspect. While I don't think Cloud and Aeris are the pinnacle of romance they at least have an interesting dynamic and tragic story that makes VII a lot more deep.

Personally I would laugh if SE just decided to pair Cloud up with a random. It would be cruel but ohhhh so funny.

 

[Two Words]

What positive comes out in explicitly romanticizing Cloud and Tifa? Even post-FFVII, Cloud and Tifa are not close in that way.

 

[cj_iwakura]

Well, at least we can all agree on one thing: Yuffie ain't got time for that.

 

[Turin]

Unless Nomura changed his mind about preferring the ambiguity of Clouds romantic life, I highly doubt things will change.

I think Nomura's even less interested in Cloud's romantic life than Kitase or Sakaguchi was. Ambiguity is a sure bet.

Spoiler

I hope so anyway. :V

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

Well, at least we can all agree on one thing: Yuffie ain't got time for that.

Yuffie is still the only woman who has kissed Cloud, though.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Nothing you've said is false.

Me and my siblings pretty much came to the same conclusion after playing FF7 and watching ACC. Tifa and Cloud are the canon pairing in FF7.

"Which is it? A memory, or us?", that line pretty much cements it, especially as Cloud is over his guilt by the end of ACC.

That line can be interpreted in different ways, namely "Will you stick with a memory - your depression, your loss - or will you fight for us? - your friends. That doesn't need to be or imply what you say it does.

"Us" being his friends, your party, not Tifa herself, but including her. I think this thread shows that many people read what they want to read into stuff, then claim it is all laid out and clear cut.

.......So how do you guys think the airship is going to work in this game? The same way as the original or are they going to try and utilize an open world like Just Cause 3?

I'm going with the most recent interpretation. See FFT-0. The world map and airship work pretty much as they did in FF7, with the exception of both visible encounters in addition to random ones. It works well enough that it doesn't need to be altered.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

.......So how do you guys think the airship is going to work in this game? The same way as the original or are they going to try and utilize an open world like Just Cause 3?

 

[Son Of D]

.......So how do you guys think the airship is going to work in this game? The same way as the original or are they going to try and utilize an open world like Just Cause 3?

I hadn't thought about that actually. Same with the Buggy, Tiny Bronco and the Submarine.

 

[-Ryn]

I'm surprised it took 230 pages for the ship to ship combat to fire up.

lol maybe y'all need to play through the game or watch Advent Children again. 2 years later, Tifa and Cloud are STILL not together in AC, there is no romantic subtext throughout the film at all. They weren't a couple in FFVII and they didn't end up/stay together in AC (even if you believe the Highwind scene ended in relations).

Wait you mean the movie that focuses on Cloud's internatl struggle to forgive himself and move on doesn't really touch on the romantic aspects of his life? Imagine that.

The reason that Cloud isn't with Tifa or anyone for that matter is because he came down with the stigma. The geostigma

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*cue laser lights and fireworks*

! Treating his distance from Tifa as an indication of their relationship is stupidly disingenuous.

I'm pretty sure that most of us have played the original game and personally I think you're dillusional if you don't think that Tifa has feelings for Cloud. Especially when considering the original game. Aerith and Tifa's feelings for Cloud aren't even a question (and Cloud certainly has loved both of them at some point). The ambiguity lies in to what degree he reciprocates those feelings and where their respective relationships have ended up.

Actually, Aeris is the LAST thing Cloud sees in the AC. The film literally ends on him smiling at her, with a hope that he can now begin to really live his life. Oh wait! Aeris was also the last one to boost him in the Bahamut battle. She either appeared, or he envisioned her as the "boost" he needed to defeat Bahamut Sin. Seems like a situation where Cloud needed the strength for that final push where you would think of a loved one as motivation and who appeared? Aeris.

Well yeah. Aeris and lest we forget Zack were the last people Cloud saw in the movie because he had finally managed to forgive himself so he could move on. The last thing Aerith said to Cloud was "Ya see? Everything's alright."

Then Cloud closes the movie with "Yeah. I know that now."

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or something like

The end. He has come to terms with his demons or at least most of them and can now move on to rebuild his life with the people that are still around.

As for the Bahamut "boost" from Ariel, that seemed more like a "You can do this" rather than a "By the power of muh luvs I boost you babe!" since another major aspect of the movie was Cloud feeling he was unfit to protect anyone (his inability to save Alaska Airlines and Zack being the primary reason). Other encouragements from his comrades such as Tifa's "No giving up!" were along the same vein. The entire fight was a display of Cloud's new resolve.

Aeris was Cloud's true love, not basically-his-sister Tifa.

Yeah because as we all know, fucking is a common expression amongst basically-brother-sisters.

Well she's DEAD. Yes, Cloud can now finally move on (both from losing Aeris and not having to fight anymore), but that doesn't mean he'll forget the love of his life Aeris or that they won't be reunited in the Lifestream when Cloud dies one day. He just won't be moving on with Tifa.

You Tifa fans are too much, dilly dally shilly shally

Cloud certainly loved Austin Powers. There's no doubting that. However that doesn't mean he can't love someone else. Someone that is alive right now. That he also has a deep relationship with. Someone with black hair and a rockin' bod perhaps.

There's plenty of well reasoned arguments on either side so let's at least try to not act like dickheads yeah?

 

[cj_iwakura]

Yuffie is still the only woman who has kissed Cloud, though.

Furthering my point. Gave it a shot, said nope, got back to business.


Lucrecia is one of my favorite characters(one of the many reasons I was there on day one for DoC), so I hope she's in the remake more.

Probably the most tragic story. She was an idiot, but Hojo played her like a fiddle.

 

[-Ryn]

Well, at least we can all agree on one thing: Yuffie ain't got time for that.

Yuffie is still the only woman who has kissed Cloud, though.

The real OTP of FFVII