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Final Fantasy Brave Exvius |OT| Classic sprite-based JRPG goodness [UP] Global launch

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Lyrian

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Curious what the deal is with people hating on having to use their facebook account for this. Unless you made a fake account, it's easy and convenient. All I need to do is log in and it works. No need to worry about transfer codes or anything like the JPN.

Because of what Facebook represents and all the perils (such as social engineering) that go long with simply being logged into Facebook.

Because Facebook is all-but-mandatorily required (like breathing is all-but-mandatory for living) to play the game for the long-term (you risk your account daily otherwise).

Because if you ever wanted to, you **can't** ever unlink the account from Facebook.

Because the devs intentionally designed the saving system to not use commonly available cloud services, such as Game Center and Google Play Games, like many other games.

Because (as implied by others in this thread), having a Facebook account can be (and often is) extremely perilous to any type of professional career.

Someday, I'll cave in and try to grudgingly create as minimal of an account as possible for the sake of saving my units. Hopefully, before my account goes poof accidentally. If I do so, I am nuking the Facebook account from high orbit the moment I am done with this game (and possibly hard reformatting my phone as well just to be sure Facebook is off my phone and has nothing to attach me back to its "service".).
 

You want to know something absolutely amazing? This game forced me to sign up for a facebook account. I hate facebook and have never had the slightest want or inclining to create one. I have no animosity towards those who do and I am one of my only friends who do not but that doesn't bother me. Certainly no one has demanded I create a FB :p

But since I knew I'd be farming and also because the phone I started on began to DIE, I signed up for one. Did I use my real name, add any friends, give away any but the required information? Nope.

As far as I'm concerned I still don't have a facebook; I just look at it as so many various email accounts one has. :)
 

leehom

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You want to know something absolutely amazing? This game forced me to sign up for a facebook account. I hate facebook and have never had the slightest want or inclining to create one. I have no animosity towards those who do and I am one of my only friends who do not but that doesn't bother me. Certainly no one has demanded I create a FB :p

You're missing out. I get over a hundred gifts a day because I have over 300 faux facebook friends on this game :D

Didn't even have to spend lapis on friend slots because of this. The game encourages you to link up with other facebook accounts. 1,000 lapis is worth 10 additional slots or 4 half summon pulls.
 

Lyrian

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But since I knew I'd be farming and also because the phone I started on began to DIE, I signed up for one. Did I use my real name, add any friends, give away any but the required information? Nope.

As far as I'm concerned I still don't have a facebook; I just look at it as so many various email accounts one has. :)

That's the line of logic I am trying to convince myself about using for this. My previous phones were LGs, and they died quite often. On my first Samsung, and I am unsure how long the phone will last before it decides to kick the bucket.

I would assume that it is better to create the account from a PC to lessen the odds of needing to tie the phone to the FB account?
 
That's the line of logic I am trying to convince myself about using for this. My previous phones were LGs, and they died quite often. On my first Samsung, and I am unsure how long the phone will last before it decides to kick the bucket.

I would assume that it is better to create the account from a PC to lessen the odds of needing to tie the phone to the FB account?

You can in theory do that, but I suppose the only trouble you might run into is that the lapis and tickets between accounts aren't always what you actually have.
 

Lyrian

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You're missing out. I get over a hundred gifts a day because I have over 300 faux facebook friends on this game :D

Didn't even have to spend lapis on friend slots because of this. The game encourages you to link up with other facebook accounts. 1,000 lapis is worth 10 additional slots or 4 half summon pulls.

See... that's the one thing I absolutely do not want to do. I am not giving Facebook free advertising data for profit in return for fictitious currency, even if deceptively created. That's the whole point of encouraging linking of FB accounts.

I get 120-130 gifts a day, from maxed friends slots.

Yup, I spent 2000 lapis for that.
And 1500 lapis on a stack of 30 magic keys to open every silver chest to date.
And 1800 lapis to extend material inventory to 140
And 1000 lapis to extend unit inventory to 100
And 600 lapis to extend ability inventory to 80
And 1200 lapis to extend equipment inventory to 110

I'm still sitting on 14,100 lapis and I'm F2P (because of RL reasons).

A little fiscal planning and responsibility goes a long way.
 

leehom

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See... that's the one thing I absolutely do not want to do. I am not giving Facebook free advertising data for profit in return for fictitious currency, even if deceptively created. That's the whole point of encouraging linking of FB accounts.

Why does it matter when it's not your personal FB account being linked?

What is wrong with giving them free advertising data for profit when we aren't spending any money and playing this game for free? Nothing is absolutely free in life and this is a tiny price to pay for such a great mobile game that you can sink hours into every day.

This is much better than my always online xbox one (although the power button is off) data mining or how windows tries to sneak in updates that data mine you just for having windows on and connected online. What's not good about this is that I paid good money for these products. If they want to make money off of this, they should offer a version slightly less so people know what the trade off is.

Amazon did it right with their kindle. They have a advertisement version and one w/o advertisements for a little more.
 
I can't create a FB account on my laptop and then use those credentials to log in from the phone?

Oh you absolutely can. See I created the facebook on my phone (WHHYY) which tied it to the account and game I have on my phone. Also downloaded it on my PC via NOX and logged in using the facebook credentials.

Interestingly, all of the data from my phone carried over...except my lapis and summon tickets. Not sure why. They exist as they should on my phone, but on my computer, nope.
 

Pbae

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Why does it matter when it's not your personal FB account being linked?

It's the principle leehom. Like causing a ruckus for guacamole. You might have the money for it but like he'll you're going to happily give them the two bucks for a small ass dollop of nutritional fats.
 

leehom

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It's the principle leehom. Like causing a ruckus for guacamole. You might have the money for it but like he'll you're going to happily give them the two bucks for a small ass dollop of nutritional fats.

I don't understand your example because you don't think it's worth paying for that product and rightfully so. We're talking about something for free here.

I don't see Americans boycotting Xbox or Windows. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple O/S had a less intrusive data mining program. Heck, even our web browsers have it. Have you noticed how the advertisements are tailor linked to websites you have visited? Even our cell phones are all being data mined. I don't really get the faux rage about this.

If people are that paranoid about this, there's a simple fix. Put in as little personal information as possible on your cell phone/pc/mac/facebook etc.
 

Lyrian

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Oh you absolutely can. See I created the facebook on my phone (WHHYY) which tied it to the account and game I have on my phone. Also downloaded it on my PC via NOX and logged in using the facebook credentials.

Interestingly, all of the data from my phone carried over...except my lapis and summon tickets. Not sure why. They exist as they should on my phone, but on my computer, nope.

I want to avoid using the Facebook phone app at all costs. No way in hell I am giving the Facebook app access to my files, camera, and microphone. Nope, nope, nope.

Apparently, lapis is hard tied to the device it is acquired on. So, technically, the PC and the phone have different lapis stockpiles. If you were using a Mac as well to login, the Mac, PC, and phone would all have different, non-transferable lapis stockpiles. Wierd design choice.
 

c-murph

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It's the principle leehom. Like causing a ruckus for guacamole. You might have the money for it but like he'll you're going to happily give them the two bucks for a small ass dollop of nutritional fats.

But its out of season and more expensive to import...
 

CCIE

Banned
Lapis is tied to OS. If you have an Android phone the transition between PC and phone is seamless. However, if you have a Mac like I do, the lapis are separated so that you have to be careful.
 

Eidjinn

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Question: is Amarant a viable unit for the future?

His armor selection is poor compared to Wol or Cecil, but his skillset is pretty awesome.

Any thoughts on him?
 
I want to avoid using the Facebook phone app at all costs. No way in hell I am giving the Facebook app access to my files, camera, and microphone. Nope, nope, nope.

Apparently, lapis is hard tied to the device it is acquired on. So, technically, the PC and the phone have different lapis stockpiles. If you were using a Mac as well to login, the Mac, PC, and phone would all have different, non-transferable lapis stockpiles. Wierd design choice.

Oh don't be silly, I didn't download that horrible app! Just did it via the web!
 

CCIE

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I guess I'm going to have to spend lapis to increase unit slots - still working with the original 50, which means I can't hoard Gigantaurs. Sucks having all these Gigantaurs and nothing to spend them on.
 

Lyrian

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I don't understand your example because you don't think it's worth paying for that product and rightfully so. We're talking about something for free here.

I don't see Americans boycotting Xbox or Windows. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple O/S had a less intrusive data mining program. Heck, even our web browsers have it. Have you noticed how the advertisements are tailor linked to websites you have visited? Even our cell phones are all being data mined. I don't really get the faux rage about this.

On a very broad conceptual level, I agree. As you mention, nothing is free. Personally, I would rather pay $60 for the game outright, like a console game. But, that is not how these business models work in the 21st century. Yes, some sort of trade-off should be made in exchange for the game being free.

And that's where the problem lies. What is your personally identifying information (PII) actually worth? The answer to that question, if you ask random people, often depends on their education level and when they were born. Gen X and older generations will place a high value on their PII, while Millennials and Gen Z will not. Why? Because Gen X and older generations grew up in an environment when they had control over their PII. Newer generations ever experienced this freedom and as such are often more likely to freely give away their PII.

Another problem lies in education about PII. Similar to financial literacy, Americans are notoriously poorly educated in such matters and often find little motivation to actually pursue those interests. Thus, they are easily exploited on credit cards and surrendering their PII.

As something I've been trained in all too well, the entire goal of 21st century businesses is to capture data and then monetize it. 21st century businesses focus on creating value, not money. This distinction recognizes intangible assets, most important of which is information. The right information in the right hands at the right time is worth a ridiculous amount of money. Facebook recently paid $22 billion for WhatsApp. Why? Not for the messaging service, that's for sure. They paid that money as a down payment on all the profits they expect to obtain from the information WhatsApp collected on its users. I would expect Facebook's management to target at least $100 billion in revenues from selling that information to advertisers over the relevant lifespan of the acquired information. (As an aside, the professional implications of the Microsoft acquisition of LinkedIn is very disturbing.)

And yes, there is a huge push to convert everything into a service for several reasons. First, is that services can be theoretically be monetized forever, while a purchase is a one-time event. Second, services can be much more strictly controlled by a corporation than via a one-time event. Services always carry the threat of the end-user losing everything at any given time and perpetual lack of ownership that comes with a direct purchase.

In the long run, everything in life is becoming a closed walled garden. Like the adage about the frog in the pot being heated, companies are moving very slowly to take away many of the personal freedoms that people once enjoyed in the digital world to avoid angering the masses. Microsoft tried to close the sale back with the original Xbox One pitch, which backfired immensely. All that did was make the corporations realize that the consumer base is quite there yet. They'll try again in a few years to be sure, if Facebook, Google, or Apple doesn't beat them to the punch first (my money would be on Apple personally, as they already have a decently strong walled garden environment and considerable goodwill with their userbase. Facebook and Microsoft have the hardest road in front of them in this regard).

These are the ramblings of bitter Gen X'r, who has far too much education and seen too much of what was originally thought to be crazy theory become actual reality in his lifetime.
 

Lyrian

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Why in the universe does WoL hold his sword out like that? It's not like he is trying to parry incoming attacks with a rapier. Also, he is holding the sword backwards if he is trying to use it offensively. He's going to get no momentum on his swings holding the sword like that.


Why am I even critiquing this?
 

bonkeng

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Question: is Amarant a viable unit for the future?

His armor selection is poor compared to Wol or Cecil, but his skillset is pretty awesome.

Any thoughts on him?

For now he's the best tank. Not that you need one anyway.

If it's any consolation, his TM (+30% hp) will make Cecil or WoL even more tankier.
 

CCIE

Banned
As someone who makes a living as described above, Lyrian is right on the money. The problem as he stated at this time is Gen-X and to a lesser extent the Baby Boomers. My children who are in college think nothing about pasting personal information for the World to see. I, on the other hand, tend to be much more private. Still, what is out there should frighten anyone worried about security. Then again, my poor son grew up thinking I knew everything, because I knew when he was surfing porn, which sites, and even the times. He told me it sucks he cannot get away with anything ;)

And many of my coworkers are as unassuming as my children are





Valentus, is that YOUR shadow I used a bit ago? That is simply awesome!
 

leehom

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These are the ramblings of bitter Gen X'r, who has far too much education and seen too much of what was originally thought to be crazy theory become actual reality in his lifetime.

I understand and that's why I have as little personal information as possible out there. My question is what are you jeopardizing by linking your FFBE with a facebook account that has zero of your personal information?
 

Lyrian

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I understand and that's why I have as little personal information as possible out there. My question is what are you jeopardizing by linking your FFBE with a facebook account that has zero of your personal information?

That's what I am working on atm, by asking the questions that I did. You have to be careful not to only avoid giving away your personal information, but also not to grant Facebook blanket authority to monitor you as well (a very bad problem with Android in general).
 

Slaythe

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i have wasted all my lapis and tickets.

So far here is what I got :

One Zidane (happy I at least got one)

4 Lenna

3 tellah

3 Shanttoto (i am a mage main so ... =) )

ton of shit like penelo fran and cyan

And now on my last pull in a while cause 0 lapis left; I just got Cecil.

As I had no tanks, I'm kinda happy about that.
 

Dragner

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day 9, kind of a bad day my NOX crashed twice for some hours and lose some training.
 
i have wasted all my lapis and tickets.

So far here is what I got :

One Zidane (happy I at least got one)

4 Lenna

3 tellah

3 Shanttoto (i am a mage main so ... =) )

ton of shit like penelo fran and cyan

And now on my last pull in a while cause 0 lapis left; I just got Cecil.

As I had no tanks, I'm kinda happy about that.

I am jealous of your shantottos and welcome to the Paladin Club son!!
 

Dragner

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This is double the amount I'm getting everyday. Crazy stuff!

Im not doing anything else in the game outside of dailies on the lowest energy possible stages so its normal. Im 100% commited and emulator is running basically all day, also spending all lapis we are getting on refreshes since im not pulling on this crappy banners.
 
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