I admit I forgot about that. But even considering the innate machine killer, wouldn't Fryevia do more damage considering how her damage is calculated + the fact Aiagon can be SPR broken?
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Final Fantasy Brave Exvius |OT5| Our Golden Anniversary Brings Us Hope
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My Zodiac Age is coming tomorrow, was pretty darn cheap with Prime discount. I'm definitely looking forward to playing it again at some point, but my wife has been dying for this to come out for
ages. She was real close to the end in the original version when her save file corrupted, so never actually finished it. I'm gonna try to finish Persona 5 (does that game ever end?) before I start it myself though.
zodiac
Muku
Member
Will wait to see #s from yall for him on this. I'm curious about it as well. May jump on board if it does him well.
Of course, he's still on my team. Because lack of 5* to replace folks. But, it's okay. He's my first ass kicker. And I still like using him.
Hippopuncher12
Member
Man, no Amazon coin deals for US on Prime Day? Eff you Amazon! Maybe they will pop up tomorrow.
Muku
Member
Shouta
Member
Killers are applied after the damage formula as I recall. So there's a chance that any advantage Fryevia has in terms of being a hybrid damage dealer will get mitigated by that boost.
Also, Aigaion arms are 50% resistant to ice and you need to kill those to finish the trial even if you're going Body -> Arms. They aren't as dangerous once the body goes down, I think but it'll take longer than using Aileen.
So thinking, Nier is coming on the 28th, two and a half weeks away. And I hate to say it, but I want to chase the Rainbow... 10 tickets from the Mog, 5 from this, we'll get another 5 + a 4* from the Raid at least. So I'll be around 40-50 when it comes with close to 30k Lapis....
I hate this feeling. I mean, FF wise, there is only X-2 and X that really hold the strong pull for me. But Nier.... >_<
On a side note, I'm done with Mog King. Got the 5* Mats, Tickets, Items, etc. I probably should go for the power crystals, but I'm still unsure when I'm actually going to be enhancing. I want to do it with Luneth, but his are just so damn expensive and since I don't need to right now. Let me save and see what is coming.
Robot trial fun. Better have your tanks that can eat it or getting ready for re-rez spam!
To those who doubted my proclamation of Ramza coming in the next month or following. You're welcome!
I hate this feeling. I mean, FF wise, there is only X-2 and X that really hold the strong pull for me. But Nier.... >_<
On a side note, I'm done with Mog King. Got the 5* Mats, Tickets, Items, etc. I probably should go for the power crystals, but I'm still unsure when I'm actually going to be enhancing. I want to do it with Luneth, but his are just so damn expensive and since I don't need to right now. Let me save and see what is coming.
Robot trial fun. Better have your tanks that can eat it or getting ready for re-rez spam!
To those who doubted my proclamation of Ramza coming in the next month or following. You're welcome!
Muku
Member
Fortunately I've not go no attachment to Nier. However, I'm afraid they are going to use Nier as a shiny then throw something else out there right afterward to say "Haha, shoulda waited" or something.
Edit: The moment you realize that now your alt account is ahead in the motes and rewards for Mog King Event because they get the stupid bonus units while your main is dragging 3 Vaan's for bare minimum. Ugh. Alt has 3 Vaan's now too I'm dragging (thank you TT for the carrying) through, as my daily was another Vaan there.
Someone here or on Reddit mentioned the possibility of A2 and Eve being raid summon units, which would be the dream. 6O, 9S, 2B banner with 3* Eve, 4* Adam, and 5* A2 raid summon. Then I can collect all my precious robot children without breaking the bank. If not I'm still going hog on it though. The meta be damned, it's the game I cared the most about recently and my favorite FF games are all trash (9) or absent (8) anyway.
I recall I was at the final dungeon, but it warned you that once entering you can't leave... so I went to do the million+ things I hadn't done... and never finished ; ;
I'm only getting the passive for sword/katana, which should be a hefty boost, the other stuff is just too expensive.
I feel like 210? or whatever the name is should try to be obtained, the Tm gives the Noctis heal and an hp/spr? boost, which obviously pairs well on any tank.
That's been happening for the past few months anyways. The Nier banner itself is exactly just that. I was expecting XI, but they moved this forward.
They also bumped up Lunera to basically Ramza.
We knew FFXII would be following X fairly close, which we knew would both becoming after the return of the BF banner.
We have passed that point of poor completely skippable banners like we got in the beginning aka FFZero. The only banners upcoming seem to be alright ones like FFT Part 3, where Gumi has changed the based five for the past few underpowered ones like Lunera or Rem, giving them new life. With ones like the Veritas, FFXV, Onion Knight and more in the next 2 to 3 months.
Basically, regardless of how well you plan. I think Gumi has us beat on this. The upcoming JP ones are good and any sort of global only is just something we can't plan for.
Muku
Member
To be honest, this is the only one of his I'm interested in.
I really want that Artisan Lid. She's cute, and her TM sounds amazing; a hat with +20% SPR.
I think Zarg is still a really great unit. He brings damage mitigation to the table (up to 30% with his LB), elemental resits, not to mention ailment resistance. But if you have Rikku and Lunera he is kinda redundant.
I really have to wonder about Gumi's release logic.
While none of the units released are obsolete, the speed of support unit redundancy is overwhelming. With 3% rainbow rumored, not to mention Nier and Ramza Enhancements; Gumi has made pulling Lunera not an easy choice.
Its a shame too, because Lunera is with her buff is an amazing unit. You won't need to spend valuable valuable crysts on her enhancements unlike Ramza. And if they do +2 like JP servers her HP/MP healing is significant larger than Ramza (~2,000hp vs 1,100hp heal/turn) & (~100mp vs 50MP heal/turn).
I think Zarg is still a really great unit. He brings damage mitigation to the table (up to 30% with his LB), elemental resits, not to mention ailment resistance. But if you have Rikku and Lunera he is kinda redundant.
I really have to wonder about Gumi's release logic.
- They release two great support units; Tilith and Rikku back to back.
- Right after that they release Zarg whose main advantage is as a support; and his 60% AOE and 100% ST buff
- The week after Zarg they release Lunera, which presumably has a 90% buff if she gets a +2 enhancement to her Elven Song.
- Finally Ramza's 100% buff is expected to come soon.
While none of the units released are obsolete, the speed of support unit redundancy is overwhelming. With 3% rainbow rumored, not to mention Nier and Ramza Enhancements; Gumi has made pulling Lunera not an easy choice.
Its a shame too, because Lunera is with her buff is an amazing unit. You won't need to spend valuable valuable crysts on her enhancements unlike Ramza. And if they do +2 like JP servers her HP/MP healing is significant larger than Ramza (~2,000hp vs 1,100hp heal/turn) & (~100mp vs 50MP heal/turn).
The Silver
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So what are the best upcoming 4 star characters we should look out for? Don't care about chasing the rainbows besides Balthier.
9S, Crow, Mistair, Vayne
Yeah, I'm also in the camp that thinks Zarg will be relevant for a while. Even though I don't have him, I can see he'll be useful for some of the future content.
Regarding Lunera, it's gonna be hard to justify hardpulling for her, specially when you have Ramza awaiting his enhancement.
Unlike chainers, where you'll mostly need 2 copies in a party, 1 singer is enough. That's where friend list is most useful.
Seriously wtf they are doing
Ace enhanced Tri-Beam give -75% Light imperil, thus would it bring it down to +25% or how is that calculated?
21O is 3* unit and he/she(?) is limited time (duh Nier banner). Everyone should try to grab atleast one (the more the easier tm it will be to get).
Your WoL Wil(l) love it.
15% to HP & SPR is nice but the chance to get healing while countering is great.
Don't miss the opportunity to pull this unit (or actually its TM). You might get something else too, but this being 3* should be fairly "easy" to get. Unless we get another Zidanegate...
jasminlovesyoux
Banned
I love Nier and will absolutely be pulling on the banner. I hope to get em all, because how cool would it be to have a full Nier unit team?
[JP] Pulling 2B back in April as my first daily during her event was the beginning of a streak of rainbows for me and I hold her endearingly. Speaking of which, I finally started playing Nier: Automata to commerate that very fact. I'm looking forward to a hell of a ride
As a unit she helped me through a few tough event bosses thanks to her evade/self-revive skills and her affinity with the Fixed dice but other than that she's not a very popular pick as a damage dealer in my case since her strongest skills take an extra round to set up. Nevertheless I'm grinding for a 4th blade mastery for her to max out her damage potential purely out of the pleasant memory of the good fortune she brought me hehe.
On a side note, very disappointed with Balthier and Merc Ramza's coming enhancements in a few hours. Merc Ramza is still going to be a jack of all trades but good at nothing kinda unit and Balthier really could have used at least another upgrade in Gun Mastery
As a unit she helped me through a few tough event bosses thanks to her evade/self-revive skills and her affinity with the Fixed dice but other than that she's not a very popular pick as a damage dealer in my case since her strongest skills take an extra round to set up. Nevertheless I'm grinding for a 4th blade mastery for her to max out her damage potential purely out of the pleasant memory of the good fortune she brought me hehe.
On a side note, very disappointed with Balthier and Merc Ramza's coming enhancements in a few hours. Merc Ramza is still going to be a jack of all trades but good at nothing kinda unit and Balthier really could have used at least another upgrade in Gun Mastery
Heh
I found this from the Reddit thread:
scytherman said:
I have 5 Camilles, was wondering If I do one TM. Not sure if I keep them all (or actually 3 or something)
Shouta
Member
[JP] On a side note, very disappointed with Balthier and Merc Ramza's coming enhancements in a few hours. Merc Ramza is still going to be a jack of all trades but good at nothing kinda unit and Balthier really could have used at least another upgrade in Gun Mastery
Balthier is pretty solid with his enhancements. He could use more attack up but tbh, Lethal Shot -> Finishing Blow as a loop is pretty wild damage especially when he dual-wields. Make it Thunder element and he'll be just tossing up solid damage in general.
Merc Ramza enhancements are kinda nice. I can see some strats with his new cover skill if it works like I imagine it.
Writing up thoughts now but Jake is actually way better than he looks on first impression.
Balthier has always been a few steps behind other top tier damage dealer because the only way to boost his atk is through the use of multiple blade masteries and a maid apron, and even with all that he is still going to have less atk than your fully decked out OK or Aileens. Lethal shot -> finishing blow loop is nice but honestly even before these enhancements I think I still got to pull off at least one finishing blow every 2-3 rounds. It just feels like a very slight improvement to me. His thunder imperil seems good at first but really in this day and age Sakura totally blows him (or anyone else for that matter) out of the water when it comes to striking with thunder. Her own counter thunder imperil does 100% imperil without any enhancment too!
Ramza would have been nice if his Yell covers more than a single Ally. Wishful thinking I know. He could still be useful though if his breaks do -60% or more after 正義の剣. We'll see.
Shouta
Member
Info is out for new JP event that's coming tonight.
CG Jake
His basic damage loop is Assault (Fire, Ice, Electro, Light) -> Last Shot or Fatal Barrage. Last Shot is ST 1 hit 275% with 50% ITD while Fatal Barrage is AoE 8-hit 200% with 50% ITD. It gives him a lot of versatility in regards to whether he needs to do ST or AOE damage and he's not bound by any single element because the duration of his Assaults are only 2 turns.
He also has a 3 turn -45% ATK/MAG Break that leads into a 3 Turn -45% DEF/SPR break that then leads into his Last Shot and Fatal Barrage. Very good on the case you need him to be your breaker and have elemental weapons equipped as he can then participate with your chainers after he's done his job.
His LB is 720% with 50% ITD which is super strong. Major downsides is that it's 40 LB crystals and it causes a -99% ATK/DEF buff to Jake. However, he has an ability called Force Charge that prevents the attack down and charges 20 LB crystals. That becomes Cool Force which charges another 20 LB Crystals and gives him a 3 turn 100% LB fill rate up. So he only really has to worry about the -99% DEF there, lol.
He also gets Dual-Wield which means he's free to use whatever passives he can which he'll need because he only gets 50% attack with Gun on that front.
Basically, Jake is a super upgraded version of Onion Knight. He has innate DW, has multi-element coverage without being forced to use a specific weapon or a buff for a long period like Balthier. He can do ST damage if necessary but his big thing is AOE damage with Fatal Barrage. He also has be a breaker if you need him to be and still output damage.
Emperor Shiera
Basically a Fire Orlandu (enhanced) with more utility but looks like Emperor Sohze and has a few of his trademark skills, lol. He actually has a little less in his mods overall but it's pretty damn close. Big thing that separates him from Aileen and Orlandu though is that he has an AOE attack that is strong. Pairing him with Jake could be a serious wrecking crew if the data matches up nicely. He even has Dragon Killer and Plant Killer too.
TMR is crazy good as well. 20% Fire Resist, 50% Attack, and 10% HP when equipped with a Sword and Light Armor.
Ozetta
Basically a mini-Wilhelm? She has a new skill that Merc Ramza also has with Yell where you have a 100% rate to cover a character you pick which is pretty solid, I think.
Riley
TM Fodder for now.
Emilia
Knife version of Amelia which is to be expected. Seems fairly decent and you get her free, I think, which is sick.
Enhancements:
Balthier
Pretty straightforward enhancements, He'll be very strong and much more useful. Lethal shot is 300% with 50% ITD. That brings up his overall damage in the loop with Finishing Blow. His Thunder element imperil is -75% which is pretty solid.
Ashe
Pretty junky enhancements.
Rasler
Makes his tanking abilities a little stronger but not by much. 3 Turn 40% chance to cover all is not great and his defense upgrades aren't massive.
Vaan
Increase chance to get his Counter Break and a buff to his chain attack. He basically has Zdiane-tier enhancements which are pretty good, I think. If you have the stones but not the chainers, he could be a decent choice.
Mercenary Ramza
Got buffs across the board. Whether or not he fits with current char usage, remains to be seen though. His Yell has the new cover variant that Ozetta has which might be interesting depending on the exact mechanics of it. -60% breaks are nice as well but it's locked behind Sword of Justice which means heh as to use it every turn to get the enhanced ones. At least it saves us stones. He also gets a free 15% to all elemental resists which is sick
Knight Delita
Damage buff on Bouryaku no Ken is solid and makes it decent for chain finishing, I guess. Not sure why they didn't buff his chain skill...
Orran
Decent enhancements I guess but still sorta sucks overall. Pretty niche usage.
Meliadoul
Basically got what I expected, -50% on her status debuffs. Her ST DEF/SPR buff got a 15% damage reduction and Regen buff too which isn't shabby.
The problem right now is that everyone using AOE Cover tanks which makes these on counter abilities weaker as a result. Being able to bring Finishing Blow is a pretty big buff, I think. The damage to Lethal Shot +2 also went up as well which makes the loop stronger.
Balthier should be able to get close to cap nowadays, can't it? He can wield spears so.
Dragon's Beard/Acrturus
Passives - 80% (30% ATK, 50% with Gun)
Genji Glove - 10%
Spear Mastery x 4 - 200%
is 290% status boosts right there. You can then slap on flat attack bonus equipment from there. You'd lose out in other areas like HP/DEF and the like but his attack should be pretty good anyway.
His Thunder Imperil is really nice as well because while Sakura can get a 100%, it's on counter. If you're using Mystair for the cover, Sakura won't get chances to activate it and it's stil only a chance if she does get hit. For some strategies, you can't rely on that.
Ramza's breaks are 60% according to reddit. His Yell Cover probably isn't AOE but guaranteed single target cover.
CG Jake
His basic damage loop is Assault (Fire, Ice, Electro, Light) -> Last Shot or Fatal Barrage. Last Shot is ST 1 hit 275% with 50% ITD while Fatal Barrage is AoE 8-hit 200% with 50% ITD. It gives him a lot of versatility in regards to whether he needs to do ST or AOE damage and he's not bound by any single element because the duration of his Assaults are only 2 turns.
He also has a 3 turn -45% ATK/MAG Break that leads into a 3 Turn -45% DEF/SPR break that then leads into his Last Shot and Fatal Barrage. Very good on the case you need him to be your breaker and have elemental weapons equipped as he can then participate with your chainers after he's done his job.
His LB is 720% with 50% ITD which is super strong. Major downsides is that it's 40 LB crystals and it causes a -99% ATK/DEF buff to Jake. However, he has an ability called Force Charge that prevents the attack down and charges 20 LB crystals. That becomes Cool Force which charges another 20 LB Crystals and gives him a 3 turn 100% LB fill rate up. So he only really has to worry about the -99% DEF there, lol.
He also gets Dual-Wield which means he's free to use whatever passives he can which he'll need because he only gets 50% attack with Gun on that front.
Basically, Jake is a super upgraded version of Onion Knight. He has innate DW, has multi-element coverage without being forced to use a specific weapon or a buff for a long period like Balthier. He can do ST damage if necessary but his big thing is AOE damage with Fatal Barrage. He also has be a breaker if you need him to be and still output damage.
Emperor Shiera
Basically a Fire Orlandu (enhanced) with more utility but looks like Emperor Sohze and has a few of his trademark skills, lol. He actually has a little less in his mods overall but it's pretty damn close. Big thing that separates him from Aileen and Orlandu though is that he has an AOE attack that is strong. Pairing him with Jake could be a serious wrecking crew if the data matches up nicely. He even has Dragon Killer and Plant Killer too.
TMR is crazy good as well. 20% Fire Resist, 50% Attack, and 10% HP when equipped with a Sword and Light Armor.
Ozetta
Basically a mini-Wilhelm? She has a new skill that Merc Ramza also has with Yell where you have a 100% rate to cover a character you pick which is pretty solid, I think.
Riley
TM Fodder for now.
Emilia
Knife version of Amelia which is to be expected. Seems fairly decent and you get her free, I think, which is sick.
Enhancements:
Balthier
Pretty straightforward enhancements, He'll be very strong and much more useful. Lethal shot is 300% with 50% ITD. That brings up his overall damage in the loop with Finishing Blow. His Thunder element imperil is -75% which is pretty solid.
Ashe
Pretty junky enhancements.
Rasler
Makes his tanking abilities a little stronger but not by much. 3 Turn 40% chance to cover all is not great and his defense upgrades aren't massive.
Vaan
Increase chance to get his Counter Break and a buff to his chain attack. He basically has Zdiane-tier enhancements which are pretty good, I think. If you have the stones but not the chainers, he could be a decent choice.
Mercenary Ramza
Got buffs across the board. Whether or not he fits with current char usage, remains to be seen though. His Yell has the new cover variant that Ozetta has which might be interesting depending on the exact mechanics of it. -60% breaks are nice as well but it's locked behind Sword of Justice which means heh as to use it every turn to get the enhanced ones. At least it saves us stones. He also gets a free 15% to all elemental resists which is sick
Knight Delita
Damage buff on Bouryaku no Ken is solid and makes it decent for chain finishing, I guess. Not sure why they didn't buff his chain skill...
Orran
Decent enhancements I guess but still sorta sucks overall. Pretty niche usage.
Meliadoul
Basically got what I expected, -50% on her status debuffs. Her ST DEF/SPR buff got a 15% damage reduction and Regen buff too which isn't shabby.
The problem right now is that everyone using AOE Cover tanks which makes these on counter abilities weaker as a result. Being able to bring Finishing Blow is a pretty big buff, I think. The damage to Lethal Shot +2 also went up as well which makes the loop stronger.
Balthier should be able to get close to cap nowadays, can't it? He can wield spears so.
Dragon's Beard/Acrturus
Passives - 80% (30% ATK, 50% with Gun)
Genji Glove - 10%
Spear Mastery x 4 - 200%
is 290% status boosts right there. You can then slap on flat attack bonus equipment from there. You'd lose out in other areas like HP/DEF and the like but his attack should be pretty good anyway.
His Thunder Imperil is really nice as well because while Sakura can get a 100%, it's on counter. If you're using Mystair for the cover, Sakura won't get chances to activate it and it's stil only a chance if she does get hit. For some strategies, you can't rely on that.
Ramza's breaks are 60% according to reddit. His Yell Cover probably isn't AOE but guaranteed single target cover.
Haven't done dailies, I do have 126 Kelsus shards. Pulled Duane (lol).
My 2 A rank 12 hour missions ~40% success in both managed to work and got Black & Tech Giancrysts \o/.
At 109 relics and 2 days to go.
Vault mission gives 20 Holy Crystals.
Ozetta
Basically a mini-Wilhelm? She has a new skill that Merc Ramza also has with Yell where you have a 100% rate to cover a character you pick which is pretty solid, I think.
I like that combo, having a fish/brave presence style move followed into yell and covering that person.
Basically a mini-Wilhelm? She has a new skill that Merc Ramza also has with Yell where you have a 100% rate to cover a character you pick which is pretty solid, I think.
I like that combo, having a fish/brave presence style move followed into yell and covering that person.
I'm still grinding for a maid apron so I can't tell you exactly how much attack I'm going to get from that set up (not to mention I only have a single spear mastery). Don't get me wrong, I think he's still a viable damage dealer, and I enhanced him even after expressing my own disappointment, just b/c he was my first real premium rainbow. It's just that with other options like Onion knight, Kevin, Aileen and 2B he seriously has a lot less opportunity to shine.
I agree with your point about AoE cover tanks. This enhancement should make his loop more reliable.
About on Ramza, it slipped my mind that he has to use his attack skill before every single break if you want those breaks to be 60%. Eeewwww
jasminlovesyoux
Banned
Daily was Ashe. Sweet!
And I got my cryst compensation!
And I got my cryst compensation!
Officerrob
Banned
Fan Fiesta rewards are in
Officerrob
Banned
How are EX tickets different from regular tickets?