Final Fantasy IX remake “in trouble & possibly cancelled” - NateTheHate

poodaddy said:
Ok I'll be the guy.

It's probably a good thing it's cancelled if they were gonna just butcher the second best Final Fantasy of the numbered entries like they did 7. I know a lot here love it, but the writing of FF7 remake is Kingdom Hearts level embarrassing cringe trash, and I don't trust modern Square to not fuck up everything they touch in at least some capacity, (particularly from a writing perspective), and I especially don't trust them to not fuck up remakes of beloved classics like this, Chrono Trigger, and FF 6. By the way guys, this game has essentially aged perfectly, particularly if you play the most recent port to modern platforms. It's beautiful from a visuals perspective still to this day due to the timeless prerendered backgrounds and the touched up character models in the most recent versions, so I'd say just play the classic again on modern platforms if you're jonesing for it.

I honestly can't for the life of me figure out why everyone wants remakes of everything, even the games that don't need them. Ya know what pile of shit game needs a remake? 8. FF 8 has a great story, likable characters, (other than Squall), and interesting world building that's ruined by dog shit gameplay; that's a great candidate for a remake folks.

I'm not against remakes in general, hell I love em, but remakes should be used to give classic titles a chance to fulfill their potential, not to tarnish the legacy of games that are already nearly perfect, Like 9, 6, Chrono Trigger, and to be honest I'd normally have said Tactics as well but I'm pleased to see that the port coming soon seems to be just an enhanced port rather than a rewrite or reimagining so I'm actually excited for it.

That's the way: enhanced ports for the truly brilliant entries that you know they'll just fuck up with their modern writing and anime level voice acting, and remakes of the games that missed the Mark the first time due to some silly design choices.....or at least that's my opinion anyway. That strategy has the added benefit of carrying far less risk of social backlash as well, I mean it's a win-win situation here.
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Star Ocean: The Second Story didn't need a remake, but Second Story R kicked ass, probably the closest thing I can think of to a "perfect remake". You can tell it was made by people who really understand what made the original good.

Trials of Mana and DQ3 were also pretty damn good remakes.

So have to disagree. There is value in remaking these old games even if they're great as is. I appreciate when they retain the spirit of the original but still feel fresh and new.

Upscaled PS1 graphics + a fast forward button and some cheats just doesn't do it for me.

That said, if they had given Tetsuya Nomura unlimited freedom to expand and "improve" Final Fantasy IX's story like they did with VII Remake then it's probably best they put it out of its misery.
 
Oberstein said:
Whether you like FFIX or not isn't the point — the fact that Square Enix has been struggling to remake it for years says a lot about the company's decline.

They're out of touch with their fans and no longer know how to manage a dev team like they used to.
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Naoki Hamaguchi seems to be more in touch with what fans want with Final Fantasy. He should replace Kitase as franchise overseer or whatever the fuck his title is.
 
adamsapple said:
Now imagine Quina in a sports bra.
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Square-Enix and troubled development is "normal"

The stories I had heard from Eidos while they were under SE's umbrella. The japanese execs were so triggered by the proposal that a western studio, Deus Ex's team to be more precise, gets a go at a Final Fantasy, while they were a DECADE into trying to finish FF15, is laughable at best. The CEO of SE back when Eidos proposed was more open minded but when they changed CEO, everything went to shit. Their fucking Japanese centric ego is something else.

Surprised they would give up on this game and not give it 10 years of development hell in fact.

Might be the beginning of the end of S-E to be honest, if they can't remake such an easy cash grab as FFIX, they've truely lost it.
 
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Oberstein said:
Whether you like FFIX or not isn't the point — the fact that Square Enix has been struggling to remake it for years says a lot about the company's decline.

They're out of touch with their fans and no longer know how to manage a dev team like they used to.
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The problem is, which team? Because, as far as we know, the Creative Studio 1 is working on FFVII Remake Part 3 and KH4; Creative Studio 2 is working on the Dragon Quest game(s?); Creative Studio 3 returned to FFXIV after completing XVI and is about to release the Tactics remake; and Creative Studio 4 is the mobile games division. So it's plausible that, like the FFVIIR project initially, FFIXR is/was largely outsourced.

In general, I think some teams just work better than others, mainly CS1. They released FFVIIR and FFVIIRB in basically eight years, considering they took the initial project away from CyberConnect sometime around 2018 (and also Rebirth only took them around 3 years, according to Kitase). Also CS3 keeps releasing regular MMO expansions and other projects, like XVI and the Tactics remake in between.

So, again, I don't think it's just a matter of efficiency.
 
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For a company that has been making JRPGs for close to 40 years (be it Square or Enix) they sure struggle to actually make them
 
Next cancel Dragon Quest so we can have an official Square funeral and finally move on with our lives. This "almost dead but waiting on a medical miracle" doesn't work for me anymore.
 
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Skifi28 said:
Next cancel Dragon Quest so we can have an official Square funeral and finally move on with our lives. This "almost dead but waiting on a medical miracle" doesn't work for me anymore.
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The only one skilled enough to pull that off is Phil Spencer. Microsoft, please buy Square Enix and make this dream a reality.
 
"As of last check it remains in development, to my knowledge; but I need to a do a fresh check & see what a more current status is -- as I did hear a month or so ago that it was in trouble & possibly cancelled. I only had one source on the cancellation possibility and need to verify the info further."

Russell Westbrook What GIF


This guy is talking out of his ass, and should shut up.
 
If it's cancelled it's in response to the performance of Remake/Rebirth. Which is a terrible yardstick, as it's a bloated merchandising ploy that will only perform worse as it adds more sequels.
 
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Well if its this difficult to do a HD remake of that game I can only assume they were trying to butcher and completely change like the DOGSHIT ff7 remakes.. so its better to stay untouched. SquareEnix is truly clueless
 
BbMajor7th said:
If it's cancelled it's in response to the performance of Remake/Rebirth. Which is a terrible yardstick, as it's a bloated merchandising ploy that will only perform worse as it adds more sequels.
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Unlikely. Remake was a huge success, only Rebirth did less than what Square wanted.

Also FF9 was supposedly a much more modest remake, so it would actually make more sense to finish it to see how it did in comparison to the epic scope of 7R.
 
Shame FFIX is still the best FF game with the mist unique and magical setting something out of a Jim Hensen movie. Would have like to see what a remake would look like. At least there's still the Moguri mod.
 
Sadly, as it should be. As much as I love FF IX, it's highly unlikely to be profitable if the scope is anywhere near the VII remake. Square won't be around a decade from now. Get your obituaries ready.
 
wvnative said:
Unlikely. Remake was a huge success, only Rebirth did less than what Square wanted.

Also FF9 was supposedly a much more modest remake, so it would actually make more sense to finish it to see how it did in comparison to the epic scope of 7R.
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Crisis Core was their last 'modest' remake and I really like it, but they only seem able to do this with less prestigious games. Folks have been talking about this remake for years now, suggesting it got swallowed up by scope creep and a general lack of confidence in the old formula. Did the pixel remasters do decent numbers? Did Crisis Core? If not, this would have signaled to them that they needed to go bigger to make an impact, like they did with VII-R and that might have been the direction of travel, until the under-performance of Rebirth shook their confidence once again.

Beyond that though? SE is just a spent force, creatively. Their games lack heart, vision, memorable characters or meaningful innovation. They failed to evolve their model to keep pace with the industry or recruit new talent to drive the company forward. XV and XVI are both dismal efforts. Remake is fine without being great and Rebirth is a bloated mess or cheap iconography and repetitive design. IX is the most whimsical of the bunch - that's be obliterated by a modern development team whose only touch point for storytelling seems to be Shonen anime.
 
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I have to assume the remake must have been more ambitious than a simple remaster, if it was going to run into trouble.

Then again...as it has never been officially confirmed, I hope they can delay the project until whatever time is best.
 
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Remake will streamline and dumb down what made FFIX so great. I'd rather they make new games that aren't KH, FF, DQ and are RPGs instead of multiplayer trash.

Put Nomura on it and it's a Kingdom Hearts.

Put Yoshida on it and it's a Cinematic Walking Simulator with MMO rotation combat with worthless rewards and no RPG in it's soul.

Put Kitase on it and it's a Interactive Visual Novel with lame minigames.

Just outsource to Monolithsoft and be done with it.

Only Team Asano or Tri-Ace if given a budget means anything when it comes to Square Enix.
 
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Good. This is one of those things that shouldn't be remade.

The original was a celebration of all things oldschool Final Fantasy, acting as a capstone for that era. It was nostalgic by design. A remake with increased graphical fidelity and modernized gameplay is antithetical to its purpose of representing oldschool Final Fantasy.

Not to mention, it could never capture what made the original special, because that could only be captured at that specific point in time, for fans who grew up during that generation. The kind of crowd a remake would attract would be people without that connection, which is a huge disservice to them, as they'll miss the point of why the game even exists.
 
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They really didn't need to speed much on this damn game. I really just want FF 13 type graphics with voice actors. I haven't really played much of IX. I have probably only put about 30 mins in this game. I guess I can wait a little longer. It seems someone in Square is averse to making an old-style Final Fantasy RPG with modern graphics. FF tactics doesn't count.
 
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DonkeyPunchJr said:
That said, if they had given Tetsuya Nomura unlimited freedom to expand and "improve" Final Fantasy IX's story like they did with VII Remake then it's probably best they put it out of its misery.
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Yup.

I'd rather a cancelled remake for FFIX than giving it the VII Remake treatment.

Updated Graphics and a few tweaks to the battle system to speed it up a bit really all FFIX needs anyway.
 
poodaddy said:
Ok I'll be the guy.

It's probably a good thing it's cancelled if they were gonna just butcher the second best Final Fantasy of the numbered entries like they did 7. I know a lot here love it, but the writing of FF7 remake is Kingdom Hearts level embarrassing cringe trash, and I don't trust modern Square to not fuck up everything they touch in at least some capacity, (particularly from a writing perspective), and I especially don't trust them to not fuck up remakes of beloved classics like this, Chrono Trigger, and FF 6. By the way guys, this game has essentially aged perfectly, particularly if you play the most recent port to modern platforms. It's beautiful from a visuals perspective still to this day due to the timeless prerendered backgrounds and the touched up character models in the most recent versions, so I'd say just play the classic again on modern platforms if you're jonesing for it.

I honestly can't for the life of me figure out why everyone wants remakes of everything, even the games that don't need them. Ya know what pile of shit game needs a remake? 8. FF 8 has a great story, likable characters, (other than Squall), and interesting world building that's ruined by dog shit gameplay; that's a great candidate for a remake folks.

I'm not against remakes in general, hell I love em, but remakes should be used to give classic titles a chance to fulfill their potential, not to tarnish the legacy of games that are already nearly perfect, Like 9, 6, Chrono Trigger, and to be honest I'd normally have said Tactics as well but I'm pleased to see that the port coming soon seems to be just an enhanced port rather than a rewrite or reimagining so I'm actually excited for it.

That's the way: enhanced ports for the truly brilliant entries that you know they'll just fuck up with their modern writing and anime level voice acting, and remakes of the games that missed the Mark the first time due to some silly design choices.....or at least that's my opinion anyway. That strategy has the added benefit of carrying far less risk of social backlash as well, I mean it's a win-win situation here.
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FF9 was written by Sakaguchi, who received collaboration and help from Aoki. Personally, I trust that Aoki, who is still at S-E, wouldn't be capable of making a mess at the level of Nojima/Nomura because, in the first place, he is a low-profile creative who hasn't been consumed by his ego. However, I share with you that a remake of FF9 is not necessary at all. Furthermore, I don't believe that the current Square is up to the task and has the necessary sensitivity to successfully carry out a project like this.
 
Weren't there similar problems during the development of FF7 Remake, where the game had to be developed in-house?I could imagine something similar could have happened here.
 
Bahamut-Arisen said:
Weren't there similar problems during the development of FF7 Remake, where the game had to be developed in-house?I could imagine something similar could have happened here.
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Yeah they first outsourced it, then brought it in house so they could "have more control over its quality" or something like that (AKA it was in bad shape).

Could be the same happens with IX. Which would suck because it means it's still years away. And it means they didn't learn jack shit from VII Remake
 
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