Ether_Snake
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Looks great. I'm not so much surprised with the quality of what we see for next-gen (yes, next-gen can look this good), but more impressed about the length and "completion" feel of it.
Final Fantasy real time tech demo - Luminous Studio [Up3: Survey/Screens/Video]
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BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
No. They say it is fully real time in that video, and that they intend to use this for real time cinematic instead of CGI now.
They also said that they want next gen games to look like this.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
But as long as they were live in Maya, it's still in real-time. It wasn't a render or playblast.
Ether_Snake
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Changing the lighting in Maya is real-time, most editors today have real-time feedback between the 3D app and the editor to make it faster to animate things. So yeah it was all real-time.
silent_snake
Neo Member
Still, we can hope that good dev tools and support from console makers will extract the most from the given hardware - something first party developers are doing right now with the PS3.
I can ask you the same thing about Mira AroyoAnd hey, how are you getting these awesome pictures of Heather
Looks amazing! I still think that current pc games and ps3 games look amazing too! But this, just blows the bird wiiu demo, zelda demo out of the water!
I get the same feel as I got from the Sony 06 tech demos, and this is real time!
And this seems pretty plausible, look at Crysis 2 maxed out, GoW3, Uncharted 3 cutcenes etc
I get the same feel as I got from the Sony 06 tech demos, and this is real time!
And this seems pretty plausible, look at Crysis 2 maxed out, GoW3, Uncharted 3 cutcenes etc
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
It's up there with the War Dogs and 1313 stuff. High-end PCs actually put to use.
aeroslash
Member
I know if it's real time in maya it's real time¬¬
But there are many things that are real time on 3d applications and not in an in engine basis.
On Zbrush for example, you can have millions of polys deforming in real time on a PC but you can't do that on a game engine.
They may use that for in engine cinematics, and maybe they want that for next generation of consoles. And i want a Ferrari.
But there are many things that are real time on 3d applications and not in an in engine basis.
On Zbrush for example, you can have millions of polys deforming in real time on a PC but you can't do that on a game engine.
They may use that for in engine cinematics, and maybe they want that for next generation of consoles. And i want a Ferrari.
Was WarDogs shown on a PC?
jimmythepage
Member
You can't show proper realtime on maya, it's like assuming the designated console has the horse power of a Pixar workstation and is running the source code of the thing, while it should be compiled.
There is something deeply wrong in what square enix refers about RT.
Quantic Dream and Epic do them the right way.
There is something deeply wrong in what square enix refers about RT.
Quantic Dream and Epic do them the right way.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Watch Dogs rather, and yeah I believe the demos they showed for that were on a high-end PC.
As opposed to the other game demos being shown in real time on high-end PCs?
A high-end PC these days is nearly on-par to a standard CG workstation.
aeroslash
Member
Sure? How many high-end PC have Nvida Quadros? No, they are not. And i've been working on 3d animation for some years.
That's exactly what i've been trying to say. Thanks.
I hope you're kidding.
Looks very much like a girl to me.
On topic: Holy shit at that video. That was certainly nice to wake up to.
electroplankton
Banned
Well, we can have some hope that devs with the next gen kits are showing otherwise; however, I wouldn't expect Avatar.
And hey, how are you getting these awesome pictures of Heather
More than expecting, i'd say i'm hoping.
Infact, i'm pretty pessimist about it, i see Microsoft caring less and less about "core gaming" (and more about multimedia in general) i see Sony that is in deep financial shit and.. Nintendo already showed their hand and it's not impressive so far.
But yeah, all these crazy good looking stuff lately give me a glimmer of hope.
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Ah, i had a screenshot of Heather laughing (can't find the original anymore, it's probably somewhere on my PC) and then i simply shopped it in various expressions.
(mimicking Wooden Lung's avatar in the 3rd one)
jimmythepage
Member
Every demo shown on high spec niche PC HW like the one used for workstations is a useless one, no console ever will manage that output.
Hell, CG rendering often uses cluster computing, so plug your 4 PS4 to play this realtime demo
I should be doing hw
Member
Unless they can prove to me this means anything more than the ability to make prettier corridors, why should I give a shit? I don't play these games for their story either, I'm not 12 anymore.
You probably shouldn't, because tech demos like these aren't about gameplay. Check back in a year or two. I suggest some Hemingway to pass the time.
I would say the chief reason to be happy about this engine is that it will allow Square to streamline their development process and have less technical difficulties when developing for HD consoles, so they can release games quicker and focus on gameplay rather than on technical issues.
What is the difference between High end gaming pcs and those you would use at ILM?
I was under the impression that it's all the same chipsets but with different drivers.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
The GeForce equivalent of the Quadros are just as capable. We've used them here at ILM.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
This is a pretty ignorant post. On all fronts.
First of all, if you can make "pretty corridors" you can make open world games better as well. ANY game will benefit from more powerful hardware. That is common sense.
And I think you have it in reverse. Children are not likely to follow a story in a video game. Adults like context.
You sound in between. Teen?
Than they should die in obscurity!!It will never happen.
Imho it lacks style and soul.
And yes given their lol games track record it's amazing they have so much time to spare for a demo given the lack of versus, kh next gen, ffxv and so on
aeroslash
Member
I've never tryed it. Nice to know, and nice to meet someone from ILM. So, as you would know much much better than me, whats your opinion on this? Is this real time for an in-game use? I mean...will we be able to play something like this? With metaballs and this hair?
iSurvivedTheOutage
Member
Not gonna lie my pants got wet
So, the PS4 should be around $1200 in that case.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
I really, really, really like the look of the female lead in this. She has an understated beauty about her. If this techdemo is put back in the SE vault I hope they use the lead in some way outside of it.
JJDinomite
Banned
Final Fantasy XV sure looks interesting.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
The desktop 680 is overpriced, to say the least.
IcyBlueStrawberry
Member
If we're going that route, should the PS3 have been $1300 because it used a GPU that was as powerful as two 6800s, each of which cost $500 in 2005?
Sony doesn't exactly pay MSRP for GPUs. Granted, building a console that draws as much power as a 680 is something different altogether, the GPU cost isn't going to send the price of the system skyrocketing.
They gotta make a profit off of those, but it seems the rate of growth IS starting to slow compared to 10 years ago. I doubt we'll have the equivalent of a 680 in consoles unless we wait an extra year, but a lower end budget version seems plausible, basically a 560 Ti rather than a 580.
This. By the time these consoles come out (at this point, I assume in ~2 years), cards equivalent to the 680 will be much more affordable. Maybe not cheap enough for a console, but the current price point is absurd and won't last long. I'm guessing they're trying to cover a lot of their R&D costs with the highest end cards.
Angelus Errare
Banned
In This Thread: Gamers finally learn the difference between "real-time" and "run-time"
jimmythepage
Member
We should be good changing the OP title with "STAGED REAL TIME", or wait Digital Foundry to make this more clear for everyone.
Why would you say that? Do we have to add "STAGED REAL TIME" to every demo thread that isn't running on the targeted hardware? Are we going to have to append "STAGED REAL TIME ON 360" for demos for games that are multiplatform?
It's real-time on a high-end PC. That doesn't mean it's staged.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
Is the jump from something like the Radeon 7850 ($250 now, less in 1.5 years) to the GTX 680 really that necessary for graphics like this, assuming you can develop directly to the card.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
The 680 was originally intended to be a mid range priced GPU. AMD done goofed.
Also, anything more than a 680 is overkill right now at 1080p for the vast majority of PC games. Next gen will change that.
You'll be skipping it because of what? Simply because it's SE made?
Whatever this is running on in a PC, a similar level of performance would be possible with lesser hardware in a console simply because of OS and API differences. Well, according to certain devs anyway. Don't ask me by what degree 'less' it would be possible
Layer on top optimisation and software improvement over time etc. and things get more complex still in terms of 'what will be possible', ultimately, out of next-gen console hardware that won't match the highest end PC chips.
I don't know if anyone else has posted this year but apparently Square had a survey for people on how to fix Final Fantasy....
http://kotaku.com/5916145/heres-how-i-told-square-enix-to-fix-final-fantasy
Kagari, I hope you noticed this and told them to bring Versus XIII and Type-0 to the West. That'd pretty much fix the series. (Aside from that strategy element in Type-0)
http://kotaku.com/5916145/heres-how-i-told-square-enix-to-fix-final-fantasy
Kagari, I hope you noticed this and told them to bring Versus XIII and Type-0 to the West. That'd pretty much fix the series. (Aside from that strategy element in Type-0)
HamPster PamPster
Member
I bet 90% of the responses were "take a break" which is what I always hear on podcasts
Not to say there isn't some truth in that statement
Not to say there isn't some truth in that statement
No, it's a survey on the video and the guy's using it as a spring board for bitching about modern FF. And it annoys me how often they want action systems rather than allowing to be the AAA turn based JRPG, it's not as if higher end turn based RPGs are all over the place these days.
(He admittedly didn't SAY abandon turn based, but after FFXIII I'm not sure what more could be done unless he wanted Paper Mario... which in a loose sense might be more appropriate for FF than just becoming a straight action RPG.)